The artist Sarah Lucas is joined in conversation by critic, author, poet, and 2016 MacArthur Fellow Maggie Nelson. Both women have challenged cultural conventions through smart, provocative work in their respective fields. Over three decades, Lucas has subverted gender, class, and social norms through a wide-ranging practice rooted in sculpture. In literary works such as the genre-defying The Argonauts, "Nelson slays entrenched notions of gender, marriage, and sexuality with lyricism, intellectual brass, and soul-ringing honesty” (Vanity Fair).