Paul McCarthy discusses his iconic video performance Painter (single channel, 1995) with artist Kaari Upson. Presented on the occasion of the exhibition Paul McCarthy: Head Space, Drawings 1963–2019, organized by Aram Moshayedi, Robert Soros Curator, and Connie Butler, chief curator, with Ikechukwu Onyewuenyi, curatorial assistant, and Nicholas Barlow, curatorial assistant.