WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:32.239 And now please join 2 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.129 me in welcoming to the stage 3 00:00:34.130 --> 00:00:36.679 Bryan Fuller and David 4 00:00:36.680 --> 00:00:37.680 Dastmalchian. 5 00:00:51.380 --> 00:00:52.380 Hi, everybody. 6 00:00:53.630 --> 00:00:54.889 Thank you for coming out. 7 00:00:54.890 --> 00:00:56.809 And thank you to the Hammer Museum 8 00:00:56.810 --> 00:00:58.699 for supporting horror. 9 00:00:58.700 --> 00:01:00.259 Yes. 10 00:01:00.260 --> 00:01:01.939 We've got Late Night with the Devil 11 00:01:01.940 --> 00:01:03.679 tonight and we have The Substance 12 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:04.939 tomorrow. So it's wonderful that the 13 00:01:04.940 --> 00:01:06.919 museum is acknowledging our genre. 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:08.659 I assume everybody here are horror 15 00:01:08.660 --> 00:01:09.660 fans. 16 00:01:11.020 --> 00:01:12.519 It is my favorite genre. 17 00:01:12.520 --> 00:01:14.499 It is the genre and 18 00:01:14.500 --> 00:01:16.359 it's really exciting to be back 19 00:01:16.360 --> 00:01:18.339 at the Hammer. I've sat 20 00:01:18.340 --> 00:01:20.019 and watched some wonderful films 21 00:01:20.020 --> 00:01:22.839 here in the past and 22 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:24.819 even was part of a piece that was in 23 00:01:24.820 --> 00:01:26.859 the gallery and now it's exciting 24 00:01:26.860 --> 00:01:28.599 to be a part of this film that's 25 00:01:28.600 --> 00:01:30.699 screening here. So thank you 26 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:32.199 to the Contenders series. 27 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:33.129 It means a lot. 28 00:01:33.130 --> 00:01:33.939 Thank you. 29 00:01:33.940 --> 00:01:34.809 And thank you, everybody, for 30 00:01:34.810 --> 00:01:36.609 showing up tonight. 31 00:01:36.610 --> 00:01:38.319 So I don't know if. 32 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:40.389 Are you all familiar with Grave 33 00:01:40.390 --> 00:01:42.429 Conversations, the Interview 34 00:01:42.430 --> 00:01:44.529 series that Dave does 35 00:01:44.530 --> 00:01:47.289 with Four Titan Caskets? 36 00:01:47.290 --> 00:01:49.869 No, it's great. 37 00:01:49.870 --> 00:01:52.059 And in honor of 38 00:01:52.060 --> 00:01:53.709 the way Dave conducts those 39 00:01:53.710 --> 00:01:55.719 interviews, which is delightful, 40 00:01:55.720 --> 00:01:57.549 there's sort of a warm up with 41 00:01:57.550 --> 00:01:59.949 some random questions 42 00:01:59.950 --> 00:02:01.119 in the genre. 43 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.159 The first question is 44 00:02:03.160 --> 00:02:05.499 Franken, Berry, Count Chocula, 45 00:02:05.500 --> 00:02:07.929 Boo Fruit, brute. 46 00:02:07.930 --> 00:02:09.698 All the monsters are represented in 47 00:02:09.699 --> 00:02:11.889 the cereals, but there is no devil's 48 00:02:11.890 --> 00:02:12.669 cereal. 49 00:02:12.670 --> 00:02:14.709 What would you call the Devil cereal 50 00:02:14.710 --> 00:02:16.029 if there was? 51 00:02:16.030 --> 00:02:17.139 I love this. 52 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.330 Raspberry Reagan's 53 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:24.920 mayo. Maybe 54 00:02:26.230 --> 00:02:28.479 a pea soup patty. 55 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:30.369 I don't think anybody wants cereal 56 00:02:30.370 --> 00:02:31.809 that tastes like pea soup. 57 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:33.099 Maybe not. 58 00:02:33.100 --> 00:02:34.100 Okay. 59 00:02:34.750 --> 00:02:36.189 Fuck kill Mary. 60 00:02:38.300 --> 00:02:39.259 Demons. 61 00:02:39.260 --> 00:02:40.339 Monsters. 62 00:02:40.340 --> 00:02:41.340 Aliens. 63 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:45.090 You marry the monsters? 64 00:02:46.130 --> 00:02:48.739 You fuck the demons 65 00:02:48.740 --> 00:02:50.929 and kill all aliens. 66 00:02:50.930 --> 00:02:52.879 Please, Dear God. 67 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:54.859 That sounds like Trump culture. 68 00:02:54.860 --> 00:02:55.860 Yeah, 69 00:02:57.500 --> 00:02:58.500 you'll see. 70 00:02:59.720 --> 00:03:02.029 If you were the devil, 71 00:03:02.030 --> 00:03:04.519 who would you possess 72 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:05.840 and what would you have them do? 73 00:03:07.660 --> 00:03:09.849 Dear God, I possess Clarence Thomas 74 00:03:09.850 --> 00:03:11.079 and I'd have him start voting 75 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:12.080 properly 76 00:03:13.510 --> 00:03:15.490 or judging properly. 77 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:18.399 If you were going to make a deal 78 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.289 with the devil. 79 00:03:20.290 --> 00:03:21.969 What deal would you strike? 80 00:03:24.350 --> 00:03:26.990 Can we get a redo on November? 81 00:03:29.510 --> 00:03:31.339 Gosh, that's a really that's 82 00:03:31.340 --> 00:03:33.289 a that's a big existential question. 83 00:03:33.290 --> 00:03:34.729 So I'm going to make it really 84 00:03:34.730 --> 00:03:35.900 simple and. 85 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:38.489 Fun like that. 86 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:39.869 We get to make lots of horror movies 87 00:03:39.870 --> 00:03:41.219 together. 88 00:03:41.220 --> 00:03:42.220 I would love that. 89 00:03:43.770 --> 00:03:45.359 Now to some of my questions about 90 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.099 the thematic. You were you were 91 00:03:47.100 --> 00:03:49.079 raised religiously or with 92 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:50.219 religion. 93 00:03:50.220 --> 00:03:52.229 So what does 94 00:03:52.230 --> 00:03:54.689 the devil mean to you 95 00:03:54.690 --> 00:03:56.939 growing up in a religious household 96 00:03:56.940 --> 00:03:58.979 versus what it means to Jack 97 00:03:58.980 --> 00:04:00.719 Delroy? 98 00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:02.699 The devil has been 99 00:04:02.700 --> 00:04:04.809 is like a root in and 100 00:04:04.810 --> 00:04:07.319 and like pillar in like 101 00:04:07.320 --> 00:04:09.119 mental health struggles I've had 102 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.199 since I was a child. 103 00:04:10.200 --> 00:04:11.459 I was totally 104 00:04:12.570 --> 00:04:14.699 indoctrinated into a 105 00:04:14.700 --> 00:04:18.148 really problematic 106 00:04:18.149 --> 00:04:20.219 and I think, really 107 00:04:20.220 --> 00:04:22.049 psychically destructive 108 00:04:22.050 --> 00:04:24.059 view of the human experience 109 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:26.159 through the lens of behavior 110 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.109 that is either rewarded 111 00:04:28.110 --> 00:04:30.089 or punished with eternal 112 00:04:30.090 --> 00:04:31.979 damnation or eternal 113 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:33.869 Paradise. And so when you 114 00:04:33.870 --> 00:04:35.579 kind of, you know, fill a seven year 115 00:04:35.580 --> 00:04:37.709 old's head with that stuff, it has 116 00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:40.019 effects, lasting effects, cracks 117 00:04:40.020 --> 00:04:42.119 in the veneer of, you know, 118 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.739 the psychology of the way a human 119 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:45.449 being can develop and looks at their 120 00:04:45.450 --> 00:04:46.919 experience through the lens of 121 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.239 questioning every motive in 122 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:49.769 questioning, every experience they 123 00:04:49.770 --> 00:04:51.749 have based upon these kinds of 124 00:04:51.750 --> 00:04:53.129 fundamental paradigms which have 125 00:04:53.130 --> 00:04:55.139 been around for thousands of years. 126 00:04:55.140 --> 00:04:57.239 They're not limited exclusively to, 127 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.339 you know, evangelical 128 00:04:59.340 --> 00:05:01.289 Protestantism, but it's the part 129 00:05:01.290 --> 00:05:02.669 of the buckle of the Bible Belt that 130 00:05:02.670 --> 00:05:04.649 I was, you know, brought up 131 00:05:04.650 --> 00:05:06.659 in. And it really 132 00:05:06.660 --> 00:05:08.249 haunted me. And in an interesting 133 00:05:08.250 --> 00:05:09.250 way, I 134 00:05:10.200 --> 00:05:12.329 was a part of a lot of, I think 135 00:05:12.330 --> 00:05:14.249 some of the different battles 136 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:16.379 or struggles that I've confronted 137 00:05:16.380 --> 00:05:18.389 individually, personally, when 138 00:05:18.390 --> 00:05:21.419 when when wrestling with 139 00:05:21.420 --> 00:05:23.429 depression, anxiety, suicidal 140 00:05:23.430 --> 00:05:25.439 ideation and and just 141 00:05:25.440 --> 00:05:27.029 mental health battles. 142 00:05:27.030 --> 00:05:28.919 So in the course 143 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.259 of my self liberation 144 00:05:31.260 --> 00:05:33.089 from these concepts and in 145 00:05:33.090 --> 00:05:34.800 my journey of freedom 146 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.949 thanks to 147 00:05:37.950 --> 00:05:39.149 the mental health community, but 148 00:05:39.150 --> 00:05:40.509 also just communication, 149 00:05:40.510 --> 00:05:41.510 storytelling, 150 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.549 movies, literature, 151 00:05:44.550 --> 00:05:45.550 great books. 152 00:05:47.700 --> 00:05:49.559 I found coming to be a part of 153 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:50.969 this film. Kind of a full circle 154 00:05:50.970 --> 00:05:53.069 moment for me and Jack, 155 00:05:53.070 --> 00:05:54.569 I don't think has any of the same 156 00:05:54.570 --> 00:05:56.009 hang ups. I think he was probably 157 00:05:56.010 --> 00:05:58.199 raised in a much more like loose 158 00:05:58.200 --> 00:06:00.179 Midwest reality. 159 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:02.159 That phone charging time 160 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:03.869 has been going. 161 00:06:03.870 --> 00:06:05.170 Do we know with the cops. 162 00:06:06.690 --> 00:06:07.769 Who point a finger? 163 00:06:07.770 --> 00:06:08.770 No. 164 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.279 You know, I think it's Satan. 165 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:13.709 I think it may be the devil. 166 00:06:13.710 --> 00:06:15.959 It's fascinating to me 167 00:06:15.960 --> 00:06:17.789 that it's continued throughout, but 168 00:06:17.790 --> 00:06:19.679 it didn't like you know, it added 169 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.359 a weird element to the final where I 170 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.360 was like. 171 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:25.319 I so being 172 00:06:25.320 --> 00:06:26.879 of that. 173 00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:27.839 Age were. 174 00:06:27.840 --> 00:06:29.879 You were raised in a religious 175 00:06:29.880 --> 00:06:31.949 environment and 176 00:06:31.950 --> 00:06:34.199 being around and 177 00:06:34.200 --> 00:06:36.539 the 80s, in part 178 00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:39.029 when the Satanic panic was really 179 00:06:39.030 --> 00:06:40.319 reaching a fever pitch. 180 00:06:40.320 --> 00:06:42.479 Does anybody remember satanic panic 181 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:43.919 like people old enough to remember 182 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:44.939 this? 183 00:06:44.940 --> 00:06:46.789 I see a lot of young people and 184 00:06:46.790 --> 00:06:48.509 I'm glad that you're here. 185 00:06:48.510 --> 00:06:50.909 But it was crazy. 186 00:06:50.910 --> 00:06:53.909 And the 80s in particular. 187 00:06:53.910 --> 00:06:55.409 What do you remember about Satanic 188 00:06:55.410 --> 00:06:57.329 panic and being raised religious and 189 00:06:57.330 --> 00:06:59.279 how that affected for 190 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:00.389 for those who don't know, for the 191 00:07:00.390 --> 00:07:01.439 young folks who don't know 192 00:07:01.440 --> 00:07:02.729 everything was Satan. 193 00:07:02.730 --> 00:07:04.469 It was all Satan's fault. 194 00:07:04.470 --> 00:07:07.439 And people would use 195 00:07:07.440 --> 00:07:10.019 satanic panic as a reason to 196 00:07:10.020 --> 00:07:12.389 condemn, vilify, 197 00:07:12.390 --> 00:07:14.069 falsely accused. 198 00:07:14.070 --> 00:07:15.959 The most famous case was probably 199 00:07:15.960 --> 00:07:17.999 the McMartin case in the 80s. 200 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.399 That was a 201 00:07:20.400 --> 00:07:22.889 a a school 202 00:07:22.890 --> 00:07:25.199 for for young children. 203 00:07:25.200 --> 00:07:27.449 And the therapist 204 00:07:27.450 --> 00:07:29.099 convinced the children that they 205 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:31.409 were being molested 206 00:07:31.410 --> 00:07:33.149 in satanic rituals. 207 00:07:33.150 --> 00:07:35.009 And it brought down the 208 00:07:35.010 --> 00:07:37.199 school and it was all false. 209 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:39.899 It was all just crazy panic 210 00:07:39.900 --> 00:07:41.129 because people were looking for a 211 00:07:41.130 --> 00:07:42.779 boogeyman that didn't exist. 212 00:07:42.780 --> 00:07:44.909 It was all false. 213 00:07:44.910 --> 00:07:45.959 This is the crazy thing. 214 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:47.909 There wasn't like just a few, 215 00:07:47.910 --> 00:07:48.749 you know, random. 216 00:07:48.750 --> 00:07:51.359 There was no documented, 217 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.459 proven cases of satanic, 218 00:07:53.460 --> 00:07:55.379 ritualistic abuse, 219 00:07:55.380 --> 00:07:57.179 sacrifice, etc. 220 00:07:57.180 --> 00:07:58.889 in the United States in the 1980s. 221 00:07:58.890 --> 00:08:00.809 Now, was there massive, 222 00:08:00.810 --> 00:08:03.119 widespread, covered up abuse 223 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.949 of children ritualistically 224 00:08:04.950 --> 00:08:05.939 through the papacy? 225 00:08:05.940 --> 00:08:07.829 100% Was the church 226 00:08:07.830 --> 00:08:09.809 themselves and was major, powerful 227 00:08:09.810 --> 00:08:10.589 position. 228 00:08:10.590 --> 00:08:12.659 People in our government doing 229 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:13.920 the stuff that was being, 230 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.219 you know, falsely 231 00:08:17.220 --> 00:08:19.649 accused against the witches 100%. 232 00:08:19.650 --> 00:08:20.999 Is that anything that those of us 233 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.049 who were witches aren't used to? 234 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:23.249 It's been thousands of years of this 235 00:08:23.250 --> 00:08:25.319 bullshit. But I was 236 00:08:25.320 --> 00:08:27.149 in Youth 237 00:08:27.150 --> 00:08:29.189 for Christ, you know, we 238 00:08:29.190 --> 00:08:30.329 had like a 239 00:08:31.780 --> 00:08:33.719 a weekly gathering, 240 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.879 which I not all of it was negative. 241 00:08:35.880 --> 00:08:38.428 It was a wonderful social 242 00:08:38.429 --> 00:08:39.869 thing. And I made lots of good 243 00:08:39.870 --> 00:08:41.609 friends there. And there were times 244 00:08:41.610 --> 00:08:43.048 talking about spirituality was 245 00:08:43.049 --> 00:08:43.889 really positive. 246 00:08:43.890 --> 00:08:45.479 But the weirdest stuff, like they 247 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.339 had the Kansas 248 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:48.839 part of Kansas that I lived in had 249 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.149 an actual police division dedicated 250 00:08:51.150 --> 00:08:53.219 to a cult busting 251 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:54.779 the like, and they would bring in a 252 00:08:54.780 --> 00:08:55.709 cop. 253 00:08:55.710 --> 00:08:58.379 True story, a detective even, 254 00:08:58.380 --> 00:09:00.329 who told us that you're 255 00:09:00.330 --> 00:09:01.799 going to go to a concert and you're 256 00:09:01.800 --> 00:09:03.239 going to see people throwing this 257 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.159 sign up, then that is their 258 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:06.989 recruitment tool to get you to 259 00:09:06.990 --> 00:09:09.149 join their secret club, 260 00:09:09.150 --> 00:09:10.409 and they're going to take you out to 261 00:09:10.410 --> 00:09:12.209 the woods where they kill babies and 262 00:09:12.210 --> 00:09:13.319 blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like 263 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:14.759 and I believed and was caught up in 264 00:09:14.760 --> 00:09:15.899 all of it. Because you're a child 265 00:09:15.900 --> 00:09:17.519 who believes what adults tell you 266 00:09:17.520 --> 00:09:19.769 and greet at that time big, 267 00:09:19.770 --> 00:09:21.569 you know, religious personalities 268 00:09:21.570 --> 00:09:23.099 like Mike Warnke, if anyone's 269 00:09:23.100 --> 00:09:24.629 familiar with he was a huge 270 00:09:24.630 --> 00:09:27.149 Christian stand up comic who claimed 271 00:09:27.150 --> 00:09:28.979 to have been a high priest in 272 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:30.449 the Church of Satan and who had seen 273 00:09:30.450 --> 00:09:32.519 babies being murdered and all 274 00:09:32.520 --> 00:09:34.079 all proven false. 275 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.849 But it's like, where does that come 276 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:38.009 from? Where does that need to 277 00:09:38.010 --> 00:09:40.049 other to have the enemy 278 00:09:40.050 --> 00:09:41.249 to have this thing outside of 279 00:09:41.250 --> 00:09:42.569 myself? Because what it was doing 280 00:09:42.570 --> 00:09:44.729 truly, when you listened to Between 281 00:09:44.730 --> 00:09:46.589 the lines and I look back on the 282 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:48.389 sermons or the stuff that I was 283 00:09:48.390 --> 00:09:50.159 taught educated on it was that, you 284 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:52.289 know, Queen was part 285 00:09:52.290 --> 00:09:53.909 of this, that these certain rock 286 00:09:53.910 --> 00:09:55.679 acts that these certain artists of 287 00:09:55.680 --> 00:09:56.609 the certain figures. 288 00:09:56.610 --> 00:09:58.529 They were queer. 289 00:09:58.530 --> 00:10:00.749 They were, you know, 290 00:10:00.750 --> 00:10:03.179 had a different persuasion 291 00:10:03.180 --> 00:10:05.129 politically, maybe sexually, 292 00:10:05.130 --> 00:10:06.989 maybe all these things that they 293 00:10:06.990 --> 00:10:08.849 were trying to 294 00:10:08.850 --> 00:10:10.199 kill. 295 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.359 This fascinating as a really 296 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.039 dark time to be a kid. 297 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:16.139 Were the filmmakers aware 298 00:10:16.140 --> 00:10:17.279 of that? Was that part of the 299 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:19.289 conversation when you were brought 300 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:21.419 into this movie, or is it kind of 301 00:10:21.420 --> 00:10:24.779 a celebration of a genre. 302 00:10:24.780 --> 00:10:26.039 More a celebration of Joe? 303 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:27.119 These are guys who are from a 304 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:28.499 country that has its own share of 305 00:10:28.500 --> 00:10:30.179 problems, but in Australia they just 306 00:10:30.180 --> 00:10:31.439 don't have the gun problem and they 307 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:32.549 don't have the crazy religion 308 00:10:32.550 --> 00:10:33.989 problem that we have here. 309 00:10:33.990 --> 00:10:35.819 And so I don't think that was a 310 00:10:35.820 --> 00:10:37.499 thing. But they were grateful that I 311 00:10:37.500 --> 00:10:39.689 could bring that layering to 312 00:10:39.690 --> 00:10:41.549 an inform parts of the story 313 00:10:41.550 --> 00:10:43.349 that I wanted to like, you know, 314 00:10:43.350 --> 00:10:45.209 help explore with 315 00:10:45.210 --> 00:10:46.019 that stuff. 316 00:10:46.020 --> 00:10:47.849 I mean, it is a great genre, 317 00:10:47.850 --> 00:10:50.099 the the devil possession 318 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:52.649 genre, the Satanic genre. 319 00:10:52.650 --> 00:10:54.539 There's a lot of great movies 320 00:10:54.540 --> 00:10:55.319 in this genre. 321 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.329 Rosemary's Baby, any 322 00:10:57.330 --> 00:10:59.189 sort of deal with the devil movies 323 00:10:59.190 --> 00:11:01.139 like Hellraiser 324 00:11:01.140 --> 00:11:03.359 or even The 325 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.360 Witch? 326 00:11:05.550 --> 00:11:07.259 What are your favorites in the 327 00:11:07.260 --> 00:11:08.819 genre? Like coming to this were 328 00:11:08.820 --> 00:11:10.259 like, I get to make one of these 329 00:11:10.260 --> 00:11:11.609 movies because I love them so much. 330 00:11:11.610 --> 00:11:12.809 Like this movie. 331 00:11:12.810 --> 00:11:13.829 Exorcist is. 332 00:11:13.830 --> 00:11:15.539 I mean, that that changed my life 333 00:11:15.540 --> 00:11:17.339 the first time I saw it. 334 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:18.419 But also, 335 00:11:19.650 --> 00:11:21.509 I mean, my God, 336 00:11:21.510 --> 00:11:23.999 there's been so many really great 337 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.189 possession films over time. 338 00:11:26.190 --> 00:11:27.190 I. Think about 339 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:31.229 the seat enslaves. 340 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:32.309 I thought that was so great. 341 00:11:32.310 --> 00:11:34.199 And I love a lot 342 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.729 of the older, like, you know, 343 00:11:35.730 --> 00:11:36.749 classic stuff. 344 00:11:36.750 --> 00:11:38.189 I remember when I was a little kid 345 00:11:38.190 --> 00:11:39.599 seeing White Zombie, which is the 346 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.429 kind of possession movie, 347 00:11:41.430 --> 00:11:43.469 I guess more of a, you know, 348 00:11:43.470 --> 00:11:45.539 control. But I think 349 00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:48.599 I think it's really an interesting 350 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.089 metaphor in horror, 351 00:11:51.090 --> 00:11:53.009 especially for anyone like myself 352 00:11:53.010 --> 00:11:54.509 who's wrestled with or dealt with 353 00:11:55.530 --> 00:11:57.869 battles in addiction. 354 00:11:57.870 --> 00:11:59.549 And I think any of us who you don't 355 00:11:59.550 --> 00:12:00.989 have to have necessarily been an 356 00:12:00.990 --> 00:12:02.819 alcoholic or a drug addict, 357 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:05.249 but like you've been addicted to 358 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:07.379 relationships, work, 359 00:12:07.380 --> 00:12:09.539 suffering, fear 360 00:12:09.540 --> 00:12:11.399 and the way that those things 361 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:13.499 can take over your body and even 362 00:12:13.500 --> 00:12:15.359 feel like, my God, when you look 363 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.949 back on certain behaviors, when you 364 00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:18.329 were in the throes of a really bad 365 00:12:18.330 --> 00:12:19.619 relationship or when you were in the 366 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:20.789 throes of a really bad, 367 00:12:21.990 --> 00:12:23.729 addictive, you know, point in your 368 00:12:23.730 --> 00:12:26.219 life with food or with whatever, 369 00:12:26.220 --> 00:12:27.869 you felt like you weren't in control 370 00:12:27.870 --> 00:12:28.919 of your body. 371 00:12:28.920 --> 00:12:30.839 That's something so many of us 372 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:31.739 can relate to. 373 00:12:31.740 --> 00:12:32.740 And I think it's 374 00:12:33.900 --> 00:12:34.859 I think it's horrifying. 375 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:36.029 And I think it's why it makes for 376 00:12:36.030 --> 00:12:37.259 fun storytelling. 377 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:38.759 Do you think that's part of the 378 00:12:38.760 --> 00:12:40.619 appeal of these stories is 379 00:12:40.620 --> 00:12:42.299 that when we are in the throes of 380 00:12:42.300 --> 00:12:43.739 addictive behavior or behavior that 381 00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:45.809 feels beyond our control, 382 00:12:45.810 --> 00:12:47.099 it's a nice scapegoat. 383 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:48.869 That said, Satan did it. 384 00:12:48.870 --> 00:12:50.669 Of course it is. 385 00:12:50.670 --> 00:12:52.349 And that's what's really wonderful 386 00:12:52.350 --> 00:12:53.909 with the way that Colin and Cameron, 387 00:12:53.910 --> 00:12:54.910 you know. 388 00:12:55.870 --> 00:12:58.059 Constructed this and I was 389 00:12:58.060 --> 00:13:00.189 a my biggest voice 390 00:13:00.190 --> 00:13:02.109 coming in on this as a producer on 391 00:13:02.110 --> 00:13:04.389 the film was like a really, 392 00:13:04.390 --> 00:13:05.889 really, really, really, really want 393 00:13:05.890 --> 00:13:08.049 to lean into the 394 00:13:08.050 --> 00:13:09.879 did or did any did she or didn't 395 00:13:09.880 --> 00:13:11.109 she was she or wasn't she? 396 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:12.489 So that the audience is watching 397 00:13:12.490 --> 00:13:14.259 this being like how much of this is 398 00:13:14.260 --> 00:13:16.239 is an actual girl 399 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.579 possessed by a devil 400 00:13:18.580 --> 00:13:20.449 and how much of this is a man who 401 00:13:20.450 --> 00:13:22.809 has not processed the trauma 402 00:13:22.810 --> 00:13:24.669 of grief, who hasn't processed 403 00:13:24.670 --> 00:13:26.499 the trauma of his mental 404 00:13:26.500 --> 00:13:28.839 fracturing, his alcoholism, etc., 405 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:30.939 who is now, because 406 00:13:30.940 --> 00:13:33.069 of the immense and intense 407 00:13:33.070 --> 00:13:34.959 amount of guilt and shame and 408 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:36.519 pressure that he's carrying on 409 00:13:36.520 --> 00:13:39.459 psychically, starting to like 410 00:13:39.460 --> 00:13:41.289 crack and see that 411 00:13:41.290 --> 00:13:43.059 or experience it that way because it 412 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:44.019 makes so much more sense. 413 00:13:44.020 --> 00:13:45.899 It's so much easier to go 414 00:13:45.900 --> 00:13:48.609 as the devil you know. 415 00:13:48.610 --> 00:13:49.659 The devil's in all of us. 416 00:13:49.660 --> 00:13:50.979 Sorry. 417 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:52.299 But I think there's something 418 00:13:52.300 --> 00:13:54.549 interesting about looking 419 00:13:54.550 --> 00:13:56.829 at the Satanism 420 00:13:56.830 --> 00:13:58.899 of this era, which was all 421 00:13:58.900 --> 00:14:02.079 very devil oriented 422 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:03.909 and sin 423 00:14:03.910 --> 00:14:05.139 oriented. 424 00:14:05.140 --> 00:14:06.849 And this is this is the monster 425 00:14:06.850 --> 00:14:08.379 that's going to lure us and seduces 426 00:14:08.380 --> 00:14:10.299 into, you know, 427 00:14:10.300 --> 00:14:12.009 the temptations of humanity. 428 00:14:12.010 --> 00:14:14.199 And then you look at kind of modern 429 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:15.200 Satanism. 430 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.450 Which is really 431 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:23.749 almost more 432 00:14:23.750 --> 00:14:25.609 Christian than extreme 433 00:14:25.610 --> 00:14:27.589 Christianity, in that it is 434 00:14:27.590 --> 00:14:30.289 about a fearless pursuit 435 00:14:30.290 --> 00:14:32.479 of philosophy 436 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.359 and knowledge and pleasure 437 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.030 and tolerance. 438 00:14:39.260 --> 00:14:41.179 What does that juxtaposition say 439 00:14:41.180 --> 00:14:43.939 to you in terms of what the 440 00:14:43.940 --> 00:14:45.919 face of Satanism is now 441 00:14:45.920 --> 00:14:47.959 versus what the face of Satanism was 442 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.059 in the 70s and 80s when this 443 00:14:50.060 --> 00:14:51.289 show was taking place? 444 00:14:51.290 --> 00:14:52.609 I've thought about this stuff a lot 445 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:53.809 and I've done a lot of research and 446 00:14:53.810 --> 00:14:55.429 I've read all everything from the 447 00:14:55.430 --> 00:14:57.379 Love and, you know, Satanism back 448 00:14:57.380 --> 00:14:58.559 to the, you know, I love. 449 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:00.469 And I think it's really fascinating, 450 00:15:00.470 --> 00:15:01.969 interesting to study like Huxley and 451 00:15:01.970 --> 00:15:03.109 all the magic, you know, 452 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:05.089 practitioners of especially 453 00:15:05.090 --> 00:15:07.219 the like the 20th century into 454 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:08.959 contemporary. But what's happening 455 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:10.969 with like the Church of Satan 456 00:15:10.970 --> 00:15:12.469 now is it's a completely political 457 00:15:12.470 --> 00:15:13.999 organization that just knows and 458 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:15.949 understands the power of using the 459 00:15:15.950 --> 00:15:17.419 word religion in the United States 460 00:15:17.420 --> 00:15:19.549 government and thankfully using 461 00:15:19.550 --> 00:15:21.259 that as their own way of weaponizing 462 00:15:21.260 --> 00:15:24.229 against kind of the established 463 00:15:24.230 --> 00:15:25.369 oppressors. 464 00:15:25.370 --> 00:15:26.570 I think that 465 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.339 anything that's dogmatic, I fear 466 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:33.319 anything that is this is the way 467 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.269 really gets 468 00:15:35.270 --> 00:15:37.159 my ACL's up 469 00:15:37.160 --> 00:15:38.839 a little bit because I just don't 470 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.269 believe there is one way 471 00:15:41.270 --> 00:15:43.039 for all of humanity. 472 00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:44.959 So it doesn't matter to me 473 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.819 what the religion, what the 474 00:15:46.820 --> 00:15:48.589 practice, what the belief system is. 475 00:15:48.590 --> 00:15:50.509 It's really tricky when when when 476 00:15:50.510 --> 00:15:51.510 that 477 00:15:52.970 --> 00:15:54.889 message is 478 00:15:54.890 --> 00:15:56.749 this is the way. 479 00:15:56.750 --> 00:15:58.609 So contemporary 480 00:15:58.610 --> 00:16:01.599 Satanists range from, you know. 481 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.029 Magic users who are prescribing 482 00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:06.129 to the belief that, you know, Satan 483 00:16:06.130 --> 00:16:08.259 is a form of taking a 484 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:10.779 fucking sledgehammer to 485 00:16:10.780 --> 00:16:12.609 the patriarchal kind 486 00:16:12.610 --> 00:16:14.859 of break it down, established 487 00:16:14.860 --> 00:16:16.059 way of doing things. 488 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:18.369 Since we went from being 489 00:16:18.370 --> 00:16:20.199 nomadic to agrarian 490 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.209 civilizations and how important 491 00:16:22.210 --> 00:16:24.339 it was to utilize religion, 492 00:16:24.340 --> 00:16:26.439 I think to get people to fall 493 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:27.819 in line so that they would make sure 494 00:16:27.820 --> 00:16:29.019 and keep in order to the way our 495 00:16:29.020 --> 00:16:30.729 society needed to be structured so 496 00:16:30.730 --> 00:16:32.529 that people would pass out money, 497 00:16:32.530 --> 00:16:34.479 etc., for things all 498 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.369 the way to like knuckleheads 499 00:16:36.370 --> 00:16:37.370 who are like. 500 00:16:38.050 --> 00:16:40.419 You know, as as as dangerous 501 00:16:40.420 --> 00:16:41.649 as Christians can be. 502 00:16:41.650 --> 00:16:43.179 And then it's done. It's everywhere. 503 00:16:43.180 --> 00:16:44.559 I just. I fear dogma. 504 00:16:44.560 --> 00:16:45.489 That's it. 505 00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:47.499 And modern day Satanism is not the 506 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:49.499 stick and nonviolent. 507 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:51.369 And not not to 508 00:16:51.370 --> 00:16:53.199 bash Christianity because I consider 509 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.239 myself a satanic Christian, 510 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.339 because I do believe in the tenets 511 00:16:57.340 --> 00:16:59.199 of true Christianity. 512 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.699 And I do believe in the tenets of 513 00:17:00.700 --> 00:17:02.589 modern Satanism, 514 00:17:02.590 --> 00:17:04.629 which is all about tolerance. 515 00:17:04.630 --> 00:17:06.369 There is something about 516 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:10.449 the the fear 517 00:17:10.450 --> 00:17:12.279 that movies like this are 518 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:14.379 taking advantage of or having fun 519 00:17:14.380 --> 00:17:15.879 with in this case, because it feels 520 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.129 like it is having fun 521 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:19.779 with a genre that we're very 522 00:17:19.780 --> 00:17:22.239 familiar with and 523 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.149 and kind of pointing out that 524 00:17:25.150 --> 00:17:27.039 for a lot of religions or 525 00:17:27.040 --> 00:17:28.779 a lot of conservative people or a 526 00:17:28.780 --> 00:17:30.639 lot of small minded people, 527 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.829 the edict for 528 00:17:32.830 --> 00:17:35.139 the flock is don't want 529 00:17:35.140 --> 00:17:37.089 more, don't desire 530 00:17:37.090 --> 00:17:39.069 more. And if you want 531 00:17:39.070 --> 00:17:40.899 more, if you're in pursuit of 532 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:42.729 more, that that's 533 00:17:42.730 --> 00:17:43.509 a sin. 534 00:17:43.510 --> 00:17:45.189 And you shouldn't want more. 535 00:17:45.190 --> 00:17:46.779 You should be complacent and happy 536 00:17:46.780 --> 00:17:48.789 where you are were 537 00:17:48.790 --> 00:17:51.309 as that seems 538 00:17:51.310 --> 00:17:53.319 antithetical to life. 539 00:17:54.670 --> 00:17:56.739 It's not in our biological nature. 540 00:17:56.740 --> 00:17:59.829 And it's also, I don't think, in our 541 00:17:59.830 --> 00:18:01.689 spiritual nature as 542 00:18:01.690 --> 00:18:03.789 long. I mean, it's all about what 543 00:18:03.790 --> 00:18:05.199 is. 544 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:06.069 What is your truth? 545 00:18:06.070 --> 00:18:08.019 What is your most authentic 546 00:18:08.020 --> 00:18:09.069 truth? 547 00:18:09.070 --> 00:18:11.589 Jack is so detached 548 00:18:11.590 --> 00:18:13.149 from what is his authentic truth at 549 00:18:13.150 --> 00:18:14.739 this stage in his journey. 550 00:18:14.740 --> 00:18:16.629 That's horrifying. 551 00:18:16.630 --> 00:18:18.489 I have been there before. 552 00:18:18.490 --> 00:18:21.279 I know what it feels like to 553 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:22.839 be jacked over. 554 00:18:22.840 --> 00:18:25.119 I know what it feels like to be like 555 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:27.069 doing a play in front 556 00:18:27.070 --> 00:18:28.929 of, you know, hundreds 557 00:18:28.930 --> 00:18:30.909 of people and or 558 00:18:30.910 --> 00:18:32.919 doing, you know, press for something 559 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:34.749 and presenting a version 560 00:18:34.750 --> 00:18:36.249 of yourself to the outside world 561 00:18:36.250 --> 00:18:38.739 while internally you are completely 562 00:18:38.740 --> 00:18:41.019 collapsing and and and 563 00:18:41.020 --> 00:18:42.669 and have no clue how you're going to 564 00:18:42.670 --> 00:18:44.199 make it to the next day. 565 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:45.549 And I think that. 566 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:49.699 We 567 00:18:49.700 --> 00:18:52.069 are, all of us, under this bizarre, 568 00:18:52.070 --> 00:18:54.289 dark, terrifying, tormenting, 569 00:18:54.290 --> 00:18:56.419 universally acknowledged, maybe 570 00:18:56.420 --> 00:18:57.679 not acknowledged. Universally 571 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:58.729 experienced. 572 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.149 Plague this shadow 573 00:19:03.150 --> 00:19:05.039 that seems determined to convince 574 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:07.019 all of us that we don't 575 00:19:07.020 --> 00:19:09.539 deserve it, That we don't belong. 576 00:19:09.540 --> 00:19:11.459 That we are alone, that are 577 00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:13.199 suffering, is singular. 578 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:14.910 That we really don't. 579 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.689 Like all I really 580 00:19:18.690 --> 00:19:20.639 believe to some degree or another, 581 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:22.079 every one of us throughout the day 582 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:24.149 and many of us for a large portion 583 00:19:24.150 --> 00:19:25.619 of the day are wrestling with that. 584 00:19:25.620 --> 00:19:27.359 Why? Why the fuck does that have to 585 00:19:27.360 --> 00:19:29.279 be a part of our brains? 586 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:30.449 We are processing being human 587 00:19:30.450 --> 00:19:32.339 beings. I don't know. 588 00:19:32.340 --> 00:19:34.229 But I do know that when we 589 00:19:34.230 --> 00:19:35.759 can have some fun and we can tell a 590 00:19:35.760 --> 00:19:37.049 story, when we can feel some sorts 591 00:19:37.050 --> 00:19:38.249 of connection with this stuff that 592 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:39.419 maybe we don't have to feel that 593 00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:41.439 way, you know, for the whole day 594 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.259 at least, maybe for a few minutes 595 00:19:43.260 --> 00:19:45.149 we can go, yeah, we're all 596 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:47.459 in this shit bag together. 597 00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:49.529 And that's why I love these stories 598 00:19:49.530 --> 00:19:51.539 and I love movies that 599 00:19:51.540 --> 00:19:52.680 are about 600 00:19:54.060 --> 00:19:56.069 fear of the other taking 601 00:19:56.070 --> 00:19:57.809 over because we're all othered in 602 00:19:57.810 --> 00:19:58.859 some way. 603 00:19:58.860 --> 00:20:00.599 Everybody feels like they're an 604 00:20:00.600 --> 00:20:01.469 other. 605 00:20:01.470 --> 00:20:03.719 And if you're turning to 606 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:05.789 Christianity to feel belonging, 607 00:20:05.790 --> 00:20:07.409 if you're turning to Satan to feel 608 00:20:07.410 --> 00:20:09.269 belonging, however you 609 00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:11.339 can find belonging, seek 610 00:20:11.340 --> 00:20:13.349 it out, because it is 611 00:20:13.350 --> 00:20:14.999 our comfort. 612 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.889 And I want to thank 613 00:20:16.890 --> 00:20:19.049 you for speaking 614 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:22.049 so honestly and openly about 615 00:20:22.050 --> 00:20:24.179 your past struggles with mental 616 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.429 illness and, 617 00:20:26.430 --> 00:20:28.709 you know, the openness 618 00:20:28.710 --> 00:20:30.269 that you've you've talked about. 619 00:20:30.270 --> 00:20:32.099 That is I think it 620 00:20:32.100 --> 00:20:34.019 helps people to know 621 00:20:34.020 --> 00:20:36.239 that if you're experiencing 622 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:37.799 depression, if you're experiencing 623 00:20:37.800 --> 00:20:39.689 anxiety, you're not alone in those 624 00:20:39.690 --> 00:20:41.549 things. And you've been beautifully 625 00:20:41.550 --> 00:20:43.109 open and honest about those things 626 00:20:43.110 --> 00:20:44.159 in your past. 627 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.229 And I think that's wonderful. 628 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:47.230 Thank you. 629 00:20:48.120 --> 00:20:49.120 Thank you. 630 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:52.949 And present mind, I say, 631 00:20:52.950 --> 00:20:54.959 I mean, it's a daily it's still a 632 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:56.549 it's a it's a thing that will be 633 00:20:56.550 --> 00:20:58.769 with me until I leave this place. 634 00:20:58.770 --> 00:21:00.419 And that's okay. 635 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:01.919 That's I don't I don't think there's 636 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.749 a big victory flag that you throw 637 00:21:03.750 --> 00:21:05.579 up when you like feel like you've 638 00:21:05.580 --> 00:21:06.569 just conquered. 639 00:21:06.570 --> 00:21:07.109 When you've had a good. 640 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:08.639 Day. Yeah. When you have a good day, 641 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:09.959 do it, though, for sure. 642 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:10.929 I mean, I treat myself. 643 00:21:10.930 --> 00:21:12.869 This has been a good day and seeing 644 00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:14.729 this crowd, I head up in the 645 00:21:14.730 --> 00:21:16.439 back for a while, you guys. 646 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:18.029 And it is. 647 00:21:18.030 --> 00:21:19.949 And I also head down here and 648 00:21:19.950 --> 00:21:22.439 I watch your face 649 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:24.749 when when you see 650 00:21:24.750 --> 00:21:26.579 that Jack is dabbed. 651 00:21:26.580 --> 00:21:27.689 Poor Lily. 652 00:21:27.690 --> 00:21:29.489 That's a fun reaction to watch on 653 00:21:29.490 --> 00:21:30.479 people's faces. 654 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:31.839 Thank you guys for that. 655 00:21:31.840 --> 00:21:32.789 That is. 656 00:21:32.790 --> 00:21:33.779 What a gift. 657 00:21:33.780 --> 00:21:34.889 We're going to open it up to the 658 00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:36.599 crowd if anybody has questions. 659 00:21:36.600 --> 00:21:38.759 Look like we can't pick 660 00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:41.279 you to answer, there's going to be 661 00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:42.359 folks in. 662 00:21:42.360 --> 00:21:43.709 So get their attention. 663 00:21:43.710 --> 00:21:45.149 Getting your attention. 664 00:21:45.150 --> 00:21:46.229 They will be the one. 665 00:21:48.060 --> 00:21:49.679 Hello. Hi. 666 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.579 Thank you. 667 00:21:50.580 --> 00:21:51.719 Up here. Hi. 668 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.039 I see you. Great. 669 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:54.929 Hi. First of all, great work on the 670 00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:55.379 film. 671 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:57.709 Thanks. You did an incredible job. 672 00:21:57.710 --> 00:22:00.419 Thank you. I was wondering, so most 673 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:02.549 live TV broadcast are obviously shot 674 00:22:02.550 --> 00:22:03.509 multicam. 675 00:22:03.510 --> 00:22:04.799 I was wondering if you guys shot the 676 00:22:04.800 --> 00:22:06.629 film Multicam and if so, if 677 00:22:06.630 --> 00:22:08.789 that affected your performance and 678 00:22:08.790 --> 00:22:10.109 how you approach your performance 679 00:22:10.110 --> 00:22:11.639 knowing it was multi-cam as opposed 680 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.809 to single cam. 681 00:22:12.810 --> 00:22:15.959 Like most films, the cinematographer 682 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:17.909 and directors 683 00:22:17.910 --> 00:22:19.739 worked really diligently to try and 684 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:21.419 recreate the feeling and vibe of 685 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:23.249 watching an episode of, you 686 00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:25.049 know, you name it, Johnny Carson. 687 00:22:25.050 --> 00:22:26.639 ET cetera. In that time period, Dick 688 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:28.679 Cavett and the 689 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.869 using the big tube TV cameras 690 00:22:30.870 --> 00:22:32.939 as a prop, but also having 691 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:34.919 like our camera team 692 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.199 with cameras in them and and 693 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.039 manipulating them. 694 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:39.479 In fact, our camera teams with the 695 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.149 camera operators and crew, 696 00:22:42.150 --> 00:22:44.219 we dressed in period 697 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:46.409 attire because there was multiple 698 00:22:46.410 --> 00:22:47.339 cameras running. 699 00:22:47.340 --> 00:22:49.079 And so you would inevitably catch 700 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:51.149 some of the other guys in shot. 701 00:22:51.150 --> 00:22:52.859 And that was so cool. 702 00:22:52.860 --> 00:22:55.439 I loved it. Let's let the frickin 703 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.329 boom dip into frame. 704 00:22:57.330 --> 00:22:59.189 Let's let that feel 705 00:22:59.190 --> 00:23:01.859 authentically, you know, imperfect 706 00:23:01.860 --> 00:23:04.169 the way live television especially 707 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:05.369 did at that time. 708 00:23:05.370 --> 00:23:07.410 So as a performer, 709 00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:10.559 knowing that in all 710 00:23:10.560 --> 00:23:12.449 those scenes that are on the live 711 00:23:12.450 --> 00:23:14.699 broadcast, I'm playing to 712 00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.979 camera, it was fine. 713 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:18.719 It was totally fine and wonderful 714 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.809 because I never felt like 715 00:23:21.810 --> 00:23:23.759 it would be awkward or weird for 716 00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:26.159 me to be leaning into my awareness 717 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:27.839 of the cameras and where they were. 718 00:23:27.840 --> 00:23:29.579 Whereas when I'm portraying a 719 00:23:29.580 --> 00:23:31.409 normally in a film 720 00:23:31.410 --> 00:23:33.659 set, I really 721 00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:35.429 technically as an actor find it 722 00:23:35.430 --> 00:23:36.929 important to know where my cameras 723 00:23:36.930 --> 00:23:39.179 are so I can hopefully be giving 724 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:40.229 directors what they need. 725 00:23:40.230 --> 00:23:42.329 But you definitely don't 726 00:23:42.330 --> 00:23:45.029 want, like 727 00:23:45.030 --> 00:23:47.069 let that energetically 728 00:23:47.070 --> 00:23:48.029 be known. 729 00:23:48.030 --> 00:23:49.259 And then in the behind the scenes 730 00:23:49.260 --> 00:23:50.999 stuff, it was just a single camera, 731 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.000 usually 732 00:23:53.430 --> 00:23:55.469 handheld, and it was really fun 733 00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:56.699 getting to play that way too, 734 00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:58.169 because those were strictly well 735 00:23:58.170 --> 00:24:00.329 choreographed blocking patterns 736 00:24:00.330 --> 00:24:01.469 so that you could feel that kind of 737 00:24:01.470 --> 00:24:03.089 frenetic energy behind the scenes. 738 00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:06.229 Here. 739 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:08.119 What is your favorite horror movie 740 00:24:09.320 --> 00:24:10.320 for both of you? 741 00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:13.250 If you go for. 742 00:24:14.360 --> 00:24:16.339 Alien, the first Alien is probably 743 00:24:16.340 --> 00:24:17.809 my favorite horror movie and maybe 744 00:24:17.810 --> 00:24:19.969 my favorite movie. 745 00:24:19.970 --> 00:24:22.219 And it's the movie that got me into 746 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:25.279 loving movies and understanding 747 00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:27.919 the the psychology 748 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:29.779 of production design. 749 00:24:29.780 --> 00:24:31.219 Because you had a penis headed 750 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:33.199 monster that 751 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.239 a mother was worth, like was 752 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:36.739 willing to sacrifice her children 753 00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:38.119 for the giant cock. 754 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:39.829 And there were like vagina shaped 755 00:24:39.830 --> 00:24:41.689 doors and fallopian tube 756 00:24:41.690 --> 00:24:42.479 shaped ships. 757 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.289 So I loved all of 758 00:24:45.290 --> 00:24:47.119 those aspects and it really turned 759 00:24:47.120 --> 00:24:49.159 me on to the ways 760 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:51.199 we can tell a story and 761 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:52.699 how deeply we can cut. 762 00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:55.759 Geiger knew. 763 00:24:55.760 --> 00:24:56.760 Geiger knew. 764 00:24:58.310 --> 00:25:00.829 It's I'm sorry. 765 00:25:00.830 --> 00:25:02.899 It's just it's like a 766 00:25:02.900 --> 00:25:04.579 four way tie. 767 00:25:04.580 --> 00:25:05.580 I think it's 768 00:25:07.370 --> 00:25:09.499 the wolf man. 769 00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:11.659 I think the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 770 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:12.979 is one of the greatest films ever 771 00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:14.029 made of all time. 772 00:25:14.030 --> 00:25:15.289 It just changed my life. 773 00:25:15.290 --> 00:25:16.939 The Exorcist in a film called 774 00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:17.940 Audition. 775 00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:19.800 Yeah. 776 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:23.829 Is there a view we're doing one 777 00:25:23.830 --> 00:25:24.249 more. 778 00:25:24.250 --> 00:25:25.389 Is that it? 779 00:25:25.390 --> 00:25:26.949 You're right here. 780 00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:28.059 Okay. Or two. 781 00:25:28.060 --> 00:25:29.199 Hello? Hello? 782 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:30.789 I'm sorry. Is somebody at the mic? 783 00:25:30.790 --> 00:25:31.839 Yes. Hi. How are you? 784 00:25:31.840 --> 00:25:32.840 Go ahead. 785 00:25:33.190 --> 00:25:35.079 This is where you hear my voice. 786 00:25:35.080 --> 00:25:36.369 Sorry about that. 787 00:25:36.370 --> 00:25:37.419 Just. 788 00:25:37.420 --> 00:25:38.829 Just amazing movie and love. 789 00:25:38.830 --> 00:25:40.479 It's like one of my favorite movies. 790 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:41.739 I showed it to my brother. 791 00:25:41.740 --> 00:25:43.059 We love it. 792 00:25:43.060 --> 00:25:43.569 Thank you. 793 00:25:43.570 --> 00:25:45.339 We hunted, went back. 794 00:25:45.340 --> 00:25:45.729 We live in. 795 00:25:45.730 --> 00:25:47.589 Mexico City, so that's pretty 796 00:25:47.590 --> 00:25:49.059 cool cinema stuff. 797 00:25:49.060 --> 00:25:50.439 Anyway, thank you, brothers. 798 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.199 I was just wondering what was the 799 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.059 process to just getting to 800 00:25:55.060 --> 00:25:56.060 character like? 801 00:25:57.220 --> 00:25:58.269 Did you looked. 802 00:25:58.270 --> 00:26:00.309 At like any old 803 00:26:00.310 --> 00:26:01.359 videos or. 804 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:02.619 The magic of YouTube. 805 00:26:02.620 --> 00:26:04.449 I listened to AI 806 00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:06.669 every night before going to bed for 807 00:26:06.670 --> 00:26:07.929 months leading up to going to 808 00:26:07.930 --> 00:26:09.459 production. I just would put on old 809 00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:11.079 episodes of Johnny Carson and Dick 810 00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:12.879 Cavett and Don Lane and even David 811 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:14.529 Letterman, Conan O'Brien, you name 812 00:26:14.530 --> 00:26:15.909 it. Everything's available on 813 00:26:15.910 --> 00:26:16.809 YouTube now. 814 00:26:16.810 --> 00:26:18.039 So just watch their opening 815 00:26:18.040 --> 00:26:19.029 monologues and watch their 816 00:26:19.030 --> 00:26:20.229 interviews. And there's a 817 00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:21.099 musicality. 818 00:26:21.100 --> 00:26:22.989 There's a kind of rhythmic patter 819 00:26:22.990 --> 00:26:24.369 to the way that, you know, 820 00:26:24.370 --> 00:26:26.319 television, late night hosts 821 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:28.359 would do their shtick back 822 00:26:28.360 --> 00:26:29.469 in the day, especially. 823 00:26:29.470 --> 00:26:30.909 And I felt like I really wanted to 824 00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:33.039 find that signature 825 00:26:33.040 --> 00:26:34.899 kind of patter for for Jack, 826 00:26:34.900 --> 00:26:36.219 because it's not something that 827 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:37.599 comes naturally to me. 828 00:26:37.600 --> 00:26:38.769 So it's just like trying to learn 829 00:26:38.770 --> 00:26:39.849 how to play a whole new form of 830 00:26:39.850 --> 00:26:41.709 music if you're a musician, I guess. 831 00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:49.839 Okay. 832 00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:50.840 Okay. 833 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.379 Not to borrow a line from the movie, 834 00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:55.179 but. Good to see you again, David. 835 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:56.169 Good to see you. 836 00:26:56.170 --> 00:26:57.369 All right. 837 00:26:57.370 --> 00:26:58.689 And since you mentioned not 838 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:00.519 everything is one way I have 839 00:27:00.520 --> 00:27:02.649 a choice of questions, one related 840 00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:04.509 to De Paul or one 841 00:27:04.510 --> 00:27:06.249 related to thematic themes 842 00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:07.089 throughout the movie. 843 00:27:07.090 --> 00:27:08.589 What was the first question? 844 00:27:08.590 --> 00:27:09.579 The first option. 845 00:27:09.580 --> 00:27:11.439 Related to DePaul University. 846 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:12.939 The school? Yeah, that's where I go 847 00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:14.079 for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 848 00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:15.729 All right, here we go. 849 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:17.319 You already had made a pact with the 850 00:27:17.320 --> 00:27:19.239 devil since your days at 851 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.240 DePaul. 852 00:27:20.890 --> 00:27:22.809 Did the Blue Devils inspire 853 00:27:22.810 --> 00:27:24.069 you in any way to look at this 854 00:27:24.070 --> 00:27:25.239 script with different eyes? 855 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.619 So for those not in the know, I 856 00:27:29.620 --> 00:27:31.239 attended the theater school, DePaul 857 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.069 University in Chicago. 858 00:27:33.070 --> 00:27:34.929 The mascot for 859 00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:37.749 the DePaul University 860 00:27:37.750 --> 00:27:39.819 teams is the Blue 861 00:27:39.820 --> 00:27:40.959 Demons. 862 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.059 Blue Devils. Blue Demons. 863 00:27:43.060 --> 00:27:43.929 The Blue Devils. 864 00:27:43.930 --> 00:27:44.930 I know that. 865 00:27:46.780 --> 00:27:48.609 No, I don't think the fact 866 00:27:48.610 --> 00:27:51.279 that the mascot of my my college 867 00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:53.199 was a devil influenced 868 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.969 this film in any way or my 869 00:27:54.970 --> 00:27:55.749 performance in it. 870 00:27:55.750 --> 00:27:57.459 But I will say that the training I 871 00:27:57.460 --> 00:27:59.289 received when I was at the theater 872 00:27:59.290 --> 00:28:01.209 school at DePaul absolutely 873 00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:02.889 influenced the way that I approached 874 00:28:02.890 --> 00:28:03.969 playing Jack del Rey. 875 00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:06.159 In fact, this entire film was shot 876 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.299 in many ways, like we were 877 00:28:07.300 --> 00:28:09.189 performing in the stage play and 878 00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:10.809 being on a set like this and getting 879 00:28:10.810 --> 00:28:12.939 the opportunity to just explore 880 00:28:12.940 --> 00:28:15.009 every day a 881 00:28:15.010 --> 00:28:16.869 set with a live band 882 00:28:16.870 --> 00:28:19.389 and, you know, you know, risers, 883 00:28:19.390 --> 00:28:21.759 which is like being in a theater. 884 00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:24.099 It took me back to being in Chicago 885 00:28:24.100 --> 00:28:26.109 and being on stage there 886 00:28:26.110 --> 00:28:27.909 and the tools and tricks that I 887 00:28:27.910 --> 00:28:29.109 learned for how to manipulate 888 00:28:29.110 --> 00:28:30.759 emotional states of being to try and 889 00:28:30.760 --> 00:28:32.169 hopefully authentically convince 890 00:28:32.170 --> 00:28:33.279 people that something might be 891 00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:35.409 really happening to you when 892 00:28:35.410 --> 00:28:37.779 you know it's not. 893 00:28:37.780 --> 00:28:38.619 That's the fun. 894 00:28:38.620 --> 00:28:40.089 That's the magic of this stuff. 895 00:28:40.090 --> 00:28:42.009 So the 896 00:28:42.010 --> 00:28:43.749 experience I had at DePaul lives 897 00:28:43.750 --> 00:28:45.429 with me every time I walk on any 898 00:28:45.430 --> 00:28:47.829 set, any time I start to manifest 899 00:28:47.830 --> 00:28:49.749 a character because of the 900 00:28:49.750 --> 00:28:51.399 history that I got to spend, you 901 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.109 know, invested in everything from 902 00:28:53.110 --> 00:28:55.569 Greek theater to improv to, 903 00:28:55.570 --> 00:28:57.549 you know, doing just 904 00:28:57.550 --> 00:28:59.469 phenomenal work that you 905 00:28:59.470 --> 00:29:01.269 could have only done in a lab space 906 00:29:01.270 --> 00:29:02.559 like that. 907 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:03.880 I'm always really grateful for it. 908 00:29:05.260 --> 00:29:07.209 I think that's all the time that we 909 00:29:07.210 --> 00:29:09.129 have. So once again, thank you 910 00:29:09.130 --> 00:29:10.599 to the Hammer Museum. 911 00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:11.139 Thank you. 912 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:12.999 Hammer everyone here 913 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.549 for coming out and supporting horror 914 00:29:15.550 --> 00:29:17.439 as an art form, which it 915 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.369 is. 916 00:29:18.370 --> 00:29:20.619 So enjoy horror for your holidays. 917 00:29:20.620 --> 00:29:21.459 Everybody should see Black 918 00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:23.499 Christmas. It's a perennial. 919 00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:25.329 And see you next time. 920 00:29:25.330 --> 00:29:26.409 Come back for the substance 921 00:29:26.410 --> 00:29:27.459 tomorrow. 922 00:29:27.460 --> 00:29:28.479 Come back for the substance 923 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.519 tomorrow. Thank you 924 00:29:30.520 --> 00:29:31.520 very much.