WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.270 --> 00:00:34.009 Chris. That was just wonderful. 2 00:00:34.010 --> 00:00:36.319 I absolutely love this film. 3 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:36.529 Can 4 00:00:36.530 --> 00:00:37.519 We just pause for a second? 5 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:38.959 Was it just an earthquake? 6 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:40.249 Oh, yes. Sorry. 7 00:00:40.250 --> 00:00:41.509 Just wanted to make sure that was 8 00:00:41.510 --> 00:00:42.949 not my. 9 00:00:42.950 --> 00:00:44.449 I got a text message right before, 10 00:00:44.450 --> 00:00:45.799 like. Yeah, like alert, but I think 11 00:00:45.800 --> 00:00:46.969 it was after. 12 00:00:46.970 --> 00:00:47.970 I was very excited. 13 00:00:49.100 --> 00:00:50.450 Anyway, I did symbolic. 14 00:00:52.610 --> 00:00:54.649 Anyway, this film is wonderful, 15 00:00:54.650 --> 00:00:56.599 but also feels terrifyingly 16 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:57.709 familiar. 17 00:00:57.710 --> 00:00:59.569 I think almost all 18 00:00:59.570 --> 00:01:00.949 of us have some kind of equivalent 19 00:01:00.950 --> 00:01:02.869 of a shelf full of, hard 20 00:01:02.870 --> 00:01:04.429 drives of unfinished projects in our 21 00:01:04.430 --> 00:01:05.689 life. 22 00:01:05.690 --> 00:01:07.309 And it's torture. 23 00:01:07.310 --> 00:01:08.149 Yeah. 24 00:01:08.150 --> 00:01:09.289 I've got more than this. 25 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.469 Well, at least me. The question. 26 00:01:12.470 --> 00:01:14.419 Yeah. What I want to know is, how 27 00:01:14.420 --> 00:01:16.009 did you break the cycle? 28 00:01:16.010 --> 00:01:17.299 What was different this time? 29 00:01:17.300 --> 00:01:18.859 Had why was it that this film 30 00:01:18.860 --> 00:01:20.840 finally could get finished? 31 00:01:22.770 --> 00:01:23.879 You know, I think COVID had 32 00:01:23.880 --> 00:01:24.779 something to do with it. 33 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:25.780 I oh, 34 00:01:26.610 --> 00:01:27.509 do we have to like another 35 00:01:27.510 --> 00:01:28.589 earthquake? 36 00:01:28.590 --> 00:01:29.590 Aftershocks. 37 00:01:30.630 --> 00:01:32.459 Mid mid COVID sort of going through 38 00:01:32.460 --> 00:01:33.659 the hard drives. 39 00:01:33.660 --> 00:01:35.429 Actually had some time that I never 40 00:01:35.430 --> 00:01:36.659 had before to look back at this 41 00:01:36.660 --> 00:01:38.399 stuff. I think that was a big deal. 42 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.839 There was a group of people, some 43 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.369 who I think are here tonight. 44 00:01:41.370 --> 00:01:42.639 Maybe Adam Goldman is here. 45 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:43.640 Where is he? 46 00:01:44.250 --> 00:01:46.379 There was, some 47 00:01:46.380 --> 00:01:48.509 people who 48 00:01:48.510 --> 00:01:49.739 I was friends with and had 49 00:01:49.740 --> 00:01:51.209 collaborated with before who came 50 00:01:51.210 --> 00:01:53.669 together, and they 51 00:01:53.670 --> 00:01:55.589 agreed to help me, and that 52 00:01:55.590 --> 00:01:57.089 was huge, because then I had 53 00:01:57.090 --> 00:01:58.979 accountability, and I had people 54 00:01:58.980 --> 00:02:00.239 sort of who I had to wake up every 55 00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:01.859 day and answer to, like my editor 56 00:02:01.860 --> 00:02:03.239 and like Adam, who I was co-writing 57 00:02:03.240 --> 00:02:04.409 with. 58 00:02:04.410 --> 00:02:06.119 And I think that was huge because 59 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.139 when I would try to just do it 60 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:08.668 myself and I'd be sitting looking at 61 00:02:08.669 --> 00:02:10.228 the blinking cursor, I would be 62 00:02:10.229 --> 00:02:11.309 paralyzed, right? 63 00:02:11.310 --> 00:02:13.169 But when I had other people who 64 00:02:13.170 --> 00:02:15.029 took a chance on it and who saw 65 00:02:15.030 --> 00:02:16.889 even from the most nascent 66 00:02:16.890 --> 00:02:18.959 short five minute cut of it, 67 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.099 they said, there's something to 68 00:02:20.100 --> 00:02:21.419 this, and we want to help you follow 69 00:02:21.420 --> 00:02:22.799 through. That was like huge. 70 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:23.759 I mean, I think that's the only 71 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:25.139 reason that I got to the finish line 72 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:27.089 was their sustaining 73 00:02:27.090 --> 00:02:28.919 belief in it, you know. 74 00:02:28.920 --> 00:02:29.729 Yeah, that. 75 00:02:29.730 --> 00:02:29.999 That makes. 76 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.229 Sense. Accountability partners are 77 00:02:31.230 --> 00:02:31.949 everything, right? 78 00:02:31.950 --> 00:02:34.229 I mean, for me, 79 00:02:34.230 --> 00:02:35.369 I think I've really learned that 80 00:02:35.370 --> 00:02:37.889 I'm, you know, collaboration 81 00:02:37.890 --> 00:02:38.669 is like, huge. 82 00:02:38.670 --> 00:02:40.379 I really like to talk about ideas 83 00:02:40.380 --> 00:02:41.639 out loud. I don't think I'm one of 84 00:02:41.640 --> 00:02:43.349 those solitary bedroom people who 85 00:02:43.350 --> 00:02:45.719 can just make stuff alone, you know? 86 00:02:45.720 --> 00:02:47.759 So you had co-writers? 87 00:02:47.760 --> 00:02:49.139 I had a co-writer, Adam Goldman. 88 00:02:49.140 --> 00:02:50.280 He's in the house tonight. 89 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:53.459 And he sat for many long hours 90 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:54.899 just talking through ideas. 91 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:55.799 What do you want to say? 92 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:56.970 What are we trying to say here? 93 00:02:58.230 --> 00:02:58.559 You know. 94 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.029 Compose the score. 95 00:03:00.030 --> 00:03:02.039 Well, Adam is, a Swiss army 96 00:03:02.040 --> 00:03:02.999 knife of many talents. 97 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.399 So he also composed the score 98 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.229 and was a producer on the 99 00:03:07.230 --> 00:03:09.089 film. So he was again one of those 100 00:03:09.090 --> 00:03:11.039 partners in crime. Who. 101 00:03:11.040 --> 00:03:13.019 And he would sit for long, long 102 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:15.269 periods of time just talking about 103 00:03:15.270 --> 00:03:16.979 what we were trying to accomplish 104 00:03:16.980 --> 00:03:18.329 besides just working on it and 105 00:03:18.330 --> 00:03:19.889 writing and thinking about it. 106 00:03:19.890 --> 00:03:21.899 So I it is, 107 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:23.369 you know, it was invaluable. 108 00:03:23.370 --> 00:03:25.229 And again, the true reason 109 00:03:25.230 --> 00:03:26.669 I feel like it got done was the help 110 00:03:26.670 --> 00:03:27.959 I had. And that extends to my 111 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:29.429 editor, Joe Kowski, and the 112 00:03:29.430 --> 00:03:31.589 producers, Michelle Kerner 113 00:03:31.590 --> 00:03:33.509 and, Alex Fish and James 114 00:03:33.510 --> 00:03:35.069 Smith, that that core group of 115 00:03:35.070 --> 00:03:36.839 people is the only reason it got 116 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:37.109 done. 117 00:03:37.110 --> 00:03:38.939 So yeah, 118 00:03:38.940 --> 00:03:40.289 teams are essential. 119 00:03:40.290 --> 00:03:41.399 We're going to go to open it to 120 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.509 audience questions in a moment. 121 00:03:42.510 --> 00:03:44.189 So if you want to think of your 122 00:03:44.190 --> 00:03:46.169 questions, I'll just, ask you one 123 00:03:46.170 --> 00:03:47.170 more. Yeah. 124 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:49.589 I just want to say one more time. 125 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:50.909 Thank you so much for inviting us to 126 00:03:50.910 --> 00:03:52.169 do this, because this is just a very 127 00:03:52.170 --> 00:03:54.029 big deal for me as a hammer 128 00:03:54.030 --> 00:03:55.979 member and, you 129 00:03:55.980 --> 00:03:57.329 know, frequent attender of these 130 00:03:57.330 --> 00:03:58.739 things. To be up on stage talking to 131 00:03:58.740 --> 00:04:00.219 you is amazing and surreal. 132 00:04:00.220 --> 00:04:01.319 This is a total privilege. 133 00:04:01.320 --> 00:04:02.369 So thank you. 134 00:04:02.370 --> 00:04:03.839 Well, it's a honor to be able to 135 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.369 show your film. So thank you. 136 00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:06.370 Anyway. 137 00:04:07.170 --> 00:04:08.909 Yeah. So the film is just so full of 138 00:04:08.910 --> 00:04:09.899 all these really, really great 139 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:11.759 characters. You've got Uncle Floyd. 140 00:04:11.760 --> 00:04:13.259 Yeah, you've got Dan, the grumpy 141 00:04:13.260 --> 00:04:14.999 record store owner. 142 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.578 You've got his tattoo friend 143 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:18.579 Carrie. 144 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.208 You've got Herman Leonard. 145 00:04:21.209 --> 00:04:23.550 Yeah. And especially your dad. 146 00:04:25.140 --> 00:04:26.339 And a lot of these characters are in 147 00:04:26.340 --> 00:04:27.569 that period of transition where 148 00:04:27.570 --> 00:04:29.099 they're moving from one really major 149 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:31.019 life phase 150 00:04:31.020 --> 00:04:32.639 to another phase. 151 00:04:32.640 --> 00:04:34.859 You do it your transition 152 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:36.479 from adolescence to having a full 153 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:37.709 time post-college job. 154 00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:39.509 Yeah. You again, moving your entire 155 00:04:39.510 --> 00:04:41.069 family from L.A. 156 00:04:41.070 --> 00:04:42.419 to New York like it's a huge life 157 00:04:42.420 --> 00:04:43.499 phases. 158 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:45.599 IRA Glass in the middle of breaking 159 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.559 up with his wife. 160 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:47.880 Yeah. And David Milch 161 00:04:49.170 --> 00:04:50.909 having a complete and total identity 162 00:04:50.910 --> 00:04:52.829 change going from one of the biggest 163 00:04:52.830 --> 00:04:55.109 people in television ever 164 00:04:55.110 --> 00:04:57.119 to being a patient with dementia. 165 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.499 And one of the biggest personalities. 166 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:00.299 I mean, that was so startling for me 167 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:02.519 when I first met him, he was like, 168 00:05:02.520 --> 00:05:03.779 you know, he was like a preacher, 169 00:05:03.780 --> 00:05:05.339 like he would quote from Robert Penn 170 00:05:05.340 --> 00:05:07.319 Warren and, you know, he was like 171 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:08.969 in a room. He was just electric. 172 00:05:08.970 --> 00:05:10.619 To be around and to see him 173 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:12.209 diminished was, was, you know, 174 00:05:12.210 --> 00:05:13.919 heartbreaking. So yeah. 175 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:14.609 Big transition. 176 00:05:14.610 --> 00:05:16.289 And then Herman Leonard was facing 177 00:05:16.290 --> 00:05:18.059 his own death and very aware of that 178 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:20.129 and really thinking through 179 00:05:20.130 --> 00:05:21.659 his life. And I love the reveal at 180 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:22.979 the end where he reveals, you know, 181 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:24.059 has all this wisdom why you should 182 00:05:24.060 --> 00:05:25.079 do this and you should do that. 183 00:05:25.080 --> 00:05:26.099 And then at the end, he's like, 184 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:27.299 yeah, I was really insecure and I 185 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:28.139 didn't do those things. And you're 186 00:05:28.140 --> 00:05:29.339 like, oh yeah. 187 00:05:29.340 --> 00:05:31.409 But even what, you know, 188 00:05:31.410 --> 00:05:33.389 every time I rewatch it, like he's 189 00:05:33.390 --> 00:05:35.549 still talking to Lenny Kravitz 190 00:05:35.550 --> 00:05:37.289 and like, I should have done this. 191 00:05:37.290 --> 00:05:38.699 And I'm saying he still has the 192 00:05:38.700 --> 00:05:39.809 self-doubt. Like, there's no 193 00:05:39.810 --> 00:05:41.549 mastery. It never arrives. 194 00:05:41.550 --> 00:05:42.689 Like he's still just making 195 00:05:42.690 --> 00:05:44.279 something and trying and trying to 196 00:05:44.280 --> 00:05:45.179 make the perfect photo. 197 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:47.129 So I, I so identify with that 198 00:05:47.130 --> 00:05:48.629 torture because it never goes away, 199 00:05:48.630 --> 00:05:49.139 you know. 200 00:05:49.140 --> 00:05:51.389 So but maybe for David Milch. 201 00:05:51.390 --> 00:05:52.409 Right. 202 00:05:52.410 --> 00:05:53.789 But he's one of the few. 203 00:05:53.790 --> 00:05:54.790 Exactly. 204 00:05:56.220 --> 00:05:58.139 Well, I was wondering if that was at 205 00:05:58.140 --> 00:05:59.099 all intentional. 206 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:02.039 That sort of like major life phases. 207 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.959 Well, I think in a funny 208 00:06:03.960 --> 00:06:05.399 way, I've watched it at different 209 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:07.409 times, and I see it almost as 210 00:06:07.410 --> 00:06:09.119 one life told through a bunch of 211 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.189 life lives, you know, that there's 212 00:06:11.190 --> 00:06:13.019 like, you know, me young 213 00:06:13.020 --> 00:06:14.849 and then me older, 214 00:06:14.850 --> 00:06:17.009 looking back at my young self. 215 00:06:17.010 --> 00:06:18.959 And then these men, you 216 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:20.759 know, who are almost at these 217 00:06:20.760 --> 00:06:21.930 transitional moments. 218 00:06:22.970 --> 00:06:25.129 I think that 219 00:06:25.130 --> 00:06:26.989 those were moments that were the 220 00:06:26.990 --> 00:06:28.669 most sort of rich to be talking 221 00:06:28.670 --> 00:06:29.839 about, and those were carrying the 222 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:31.129 biggest themes. 223 00:06:31.130 --> 00:06:32.539 And so, yes, it was sort of 224 00:06:32.540 --> 00:06:34.159 intentional, but I also think there 225 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.509 was a balance we were always trying 226 00:06:35.510 --> 00:06:37.909 to strike to of like too much of me 227 00:06:37.910 --> 00:06:39.919 or, you know, let's, let's get, 228 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:41.299 let's get rid of me for a while and 229 00:06:41.300 --> 00:06:42.469 listen to these characters. 230 00:06:42.470 --> 00:06:43.819 And we didn't want it to be a sort 231 00:06:43.820 --> 00:06:45.649 of navel gazing, 232 00:06:45.650 --> 00:06:47.389 narcissistic nightmare, you know, 233 00:06:47.390 --> 00:06:49.040 three ends. I just invented that. 234 00:06:50.150 --> 00:06:50.959 But we. 235 00:06:50.960 --> 00:06:52.309 So we were always trying to balance 236 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:53.269 that thing. And at one point there 237 00:06:53.270 --> 00:06:54.829 was a cut where I wasn't in enough. 238 00:06:54.830 --> 00:06:56.299 I had sort of taken myself too far 239 00:06:56.300 --> 00:06:57.379 out of it. And then it wasn't, you 240 00:06:57.380 --> 00:06:58.909 know, we got some feedback. 241 00:06:58.910 --> 00:07:00.409 Hey, listen, this isn't going to be 242 00:07:00.410 --> 00:07:02.239 as you're not going to identify 243 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:03.619 with it as much if you're not in it 244 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:05.329 more. So we were always trying to 245 00:07:05.330 --> 00:07:07.339 find that balance, and 246 00:07:07.340 --> 00:07:09.199 connect those big transitions 247 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:10.549 between the different characters. 248 00:07:10.550 --> 00:07:11.869 So. 249 00:07:11.870 --> 00:07:13.249 Well, it's edited together 250 00:07:13.250 --> 00:07:14.869 beautifully. Thank you so much. 251 00:07:14.870 --> 00:07:16.819 Footage and actually distilled 252 00:07:16.820 --> 00:07:19.130 into a really clear. 253 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.549 Yes. And again, my editor, Jo, is, 254 00:07:22.550 --> 00:07:24.469 is one of those sort 255 00:07:24.470 --> 00:07:26.329 of geniuses and has made 256 00:07:26.330 --> 00:07:27.470 edited many films that 257 00:07:28.700 --> 00:07:30.079 Garry Shandling film that he did 258 00:07:30.080 --> 00:07:32.119 with Judd Apatow, he did the montage 259 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:33.979 of heck, the Kurt Cobain film, 260 00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:34.939 with Brett Morgen. 261 00:07:34.940 --> 00:07:37.029 I mean, he's he's a he's 262 00:07:37.030 --> 00:07:37.819 a genius. 263 00:07:37.820 --> 00:07:39.769 So I was very lucky to 264 00:07:39.770 --> 00:07:41.269 work with him. 265 00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:42.979 Well, fantastic. 266 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:44.059 Let's take some audience questions. 267 00:07:44.060 --> 00:07:45.919 So we're going to alternate one side 268 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:46.909 to the other side. 269 00:07:46.910 --> 00:07:48.589 So just put up your hand and an 270 00:07:48.590 --> 00:07:49.819 usher is going to bring you a 271 00:07:49.820 --> 00:07:50.820 microphone. 272 00:07:52.810 --> 00:07:53.830 We have a question right there. 273 00:07:58.130 --> 00:07:59.130 On the move. 274 00:08:01.260 --> 00:08:02.069 I just want to revisit that. 275 00:08:02.070 --> 00:08:03.779 We had an earthquake at the end of 276 00:08:03.780 --> 00:08:05.489 the film. I'm sorry. 277 00:08:05.490 --> 00:08:06.599 I'm just taking that in for a 278 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.459 second. Sorry. Yes. 279 00:08:08.460 --> 00:08:10.349 Was there any footage that 280 00:08:10.350 --> 00:08:11.789 got away from you? 281 00:08:11.790 --> 00:08:13.739 Anything that you, you know, 282 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:15.269 over the course of your career, you 283 00:08:15.270 --> 00:08:16.619 thought, oh, I know where that is. 284 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:18.509 And then you couldn't find it? 285 00:08:18.510 --> 00:08:19.979 Yeah. No, I mean, this was 286 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:21.299 heartbreaking. You know, the Herman 287 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:22.919 Leonard stuff. One of the really 288 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.139 crushing details is that 289 00:08:25.140 --> 00:08:26.459 there came a point where we didn't 290 00:08:26.460 --> 00:08:28.289 have the camera masters for all of 291 00:08:28.290 --> 00:08:29.579 it, and some of them were avid 292 00:08:29.580 --> 00:08:31.019 files, and we had to suppress them. 293 00:08:31.020 --> 00:08:32.069 They don't look that great. 294 00:08:32.070 --> 00:08:33.149 And sometimes I'm watching them. 295 00:08:33.150 --> 00:08:34.709 I'm like, oh my God. 296 00:08:34.710 --> 00:08:36.089 But there was a point at which that 297 00:08:36.090 --> 00:08:38.099 footage almost, we were questioning 298 00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:39.329 whether it was usable or not, which 299 00:08:39.330 --> 00:08:41.038 would have lost whole segments of 300 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.039 the film. 301 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:44.669 And there were also other stories 302 00:08:44.670 --> 00:08:45.719 that didn't make it in, you know, 303 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.309 that there's a funny. 304 00:08:48.350 --> 00:08:50.269 This. This town in new Jersey 305 00:08:50.270 --> 00:08:52.369 has a, DuPont munitions 306 00:08:52.370 --> 00:08:53.719 factory that's been there for 100 307 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:54.619 years. 308 00:08:54.620 --> 00:08:56.929 And they literally make the 309 00:08:56.930 --> 00:08:58.759 bullets and bombs for wars 310 00:08:58.760 --> 00:08:59.749 for the last hundred years, and 311 00:08:59.750 --> 00:09:01.519 they've poisoned the groundwater, 312 00:09:01.520 --> 00:09:03.049 and there's like a cancer cluster 313 00:09:03.050 --> 00:09:05.329 there. And it's this whole batshit 314 00:09:05.330 --> 00:09:07.349 crazy story that I also wanted to 315 00:09:07.350 --> 00:09:08.659 turducken in there. 316 00:09:08.660 --> 00:09:10.189 And it just was going to take film 317 00:09:10.190 --> 00:09:11.239 documentary. 318 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:12.349 Maybe we'll do a series on this. 319 00:09:12.350 --> 00:09:14.179 But, so yes, there 320 00:09:14.180 --> 00:09:15.559 was footage that definitely was 321 00:09:15.560 --> 00:09:16.909 decaying. There were hard drives 322 00:09:16.910 --> 00:09:17.749 that couldn't be recovered. 323 00:09:17.750 --> 00:09:19.759 There was things that I knew. 324 00:09:19.760 --> 00:09:20.869 So I have become kind of a 325 00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:23.029 compulsive, you know, 326 00:09:23.030 --> 00:09:25.579 hard drive updater and, 327 00:09:25.580 --> 00:09:26.869 you know, transferring to new hard 328 00:09:26.870 --> 00:09:27.589 drives all the time. 329 00:09:27.590 --> 00:09:28.759 So I always thought that should be a 330 00:09:28.760 --> 00:09:30.499 business where you can just drop off 331 00:09:30.500 --> 00:09:31.609 all your old. 332 00:09:31.610 --> 00:09:32.869 Yeah. And it just keeps getting 333 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:33.769 upgrades to the Earth. 334 00:09:33.770 --> 00:09:35.029 Yeah. To the newest version. 335 00:09:35.030 --> 00:09:36.259 No, I can't tell you how many times 336 00:09:36.260 --> 00:09:38.059 I was on eBay trying to find dongles 337 00:09:38.060 --> 00:09:40.579 for obscure, like FireWire 338 00:09:40.580 --> 00:09:42.949 400 as a I mean, it was a disaster. 339 00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:44.839 And it's really scary because you 340 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.699 totally take for granted the 341 00:09:46.700 --> 00:09:49.129 obsolescence that is almost 342 00:09:49.130 --> 00:09:50.869 annual with a lot of that stuff. 343 00:09:50.870 --> 00:09:51.619 You know. 344 00:09:51.620 --> 00:09:53.509 So I do know, 345 00:09:53.510 --> 00:09:54.510 yes, I'm sure. 346 00:09:56.540 --> 00:09:57.739 Well, let's take a question from 347 00:09:57.740 --> 00:09:58.740 the. So. Sure. 348 00:09:59.450 --> 00:10:00.710 Anybody have a question over there? 349 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.279 By the way, some flip side cast 350 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:05.360 members here as May. 351 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.039 Who is now 18, leaving for college, 352 00:10:09.040 --> 00:10:10.919 another major life transition. 353 00:10:10.920 --> 00:10:13.089 Heartbreaking as Elaine, 354 00:10:13.090 --> 00:10:14.739 my wife Elaine. 355 00:10:14.740 --> 00:10:16.359 Thank you for tolerating. 356 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:17.380 Anyway. Sorry, 357 00:10:19.060 --> 00:10:20.349 that was my vamping for another 358 00:10:20.350 --> 00:10:21.549 question. 359 00:10:21.550 --> 00:10:22.659 Hi. 360 00:10:22.660 --> 00:10:24.279 Speaking of family, I just wanted to 361 00:10:24.280 --> 00:10:26.229 know, like, do your, 362 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:28.179 children have any interest in 363 00:10:28.180 --> 00:10:29.379 analog at all? 364 00:10:29.380 --> 00:10:31.269 Like, since, you know, records were 365 00:10:31.270 --> 00:10:32.589 such a big thing? 366 00:10:32.590 --> 00:10:34.509 Yeah. Know your your adolescence 367 00:10:34.510 --> 00:10:35.469 and your teenage years. 368 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:37.299 So I know that it's sort 369 00:10:37.300 --> 00:10:39.369 of coming back for the youth, 370 00:10:39.370 --> 00:10:39.879 I guess. 371 00:10:39.880 --> 00:10:41.729 Yeah. Well, we could ask ask me, but 372 00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:42.849 I meant that might take a little too 373 00:10:42.850 --> 00:10:43.989 much time. What do you think? Has. 374 00:10:43.990 --> 00:10:45.549 I mean, yes, she has vinyl, right. 375 00:10:45.550 --> 00:10:47.019 You've collected a bunch of vinyl 376 00:10:47.020 --> 00:10:48.999 and have a bunch of analog stuff. 377 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:50.859 Not like. Oh, and you had a 378 00:10:50.860 --> 00:10:53.139 moment of, disposable cameras. 379 00:10:53.140 --> 00:10:55.269 I think it was like, not. 380 00:10:55.270 --> 00:10:57.459 I have taken as made a flip side, 381 00:10:57.460 --> 00:10:59.169 and I think you're a little bit deer 382 00:10:59.170 --> 00:11:01.089 in headlights. Like, digging through 383 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:02.589 crates is not the way you discovered 384 00:11:02.590 --> 00:11:04.599 music. You're sifting online 385 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:05.589 and playlists. 386 00:11:05.590 --> 00:11:07.539 And so I think that there was 387 00:11:07.540 --> 00:11:09.159 like, it's there's it's a little 388 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:11.079 novelty there, but I, there's no 389 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:12.519 real commitment to it, I would say, 390 00:11:12.520 --> 00:11:13.520 would you say that's true? 391 00:11:21.650 --> 00:11:22.650 Yeah. 392 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.240 Yeah. 393 00:11:29.030 --> 00:11:29.719 Yeah. 394 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:31.009 But you do miss out on that. 395 00:11:31.010 --> 00:11:32.809 The joy of rediscovering your Jungle 396 00:11:32.810 --> 00:11:34.669 Brothers cassette, because I totally 397 00:11:34.670 --> 00:11:36.589 have that cassette it and I'm never 398 00:11:36.590 --> 00:11:37.159 going to give it up. 399 00:11:37.160 --> 00:11:38.510 Yeah, you probably shouldn't. 400 00:11:41.370 --> 00:11:43.889 Yes, I see other hands. 401 00:11:43.890 --> 00:11:45.149 Do we need mikes? 402 00:11:45.150 --> 00:11:46.899 Yes. Can you go give them a mike? 403 00:11:46.900 --> 00:11:47.900 Thanks. 404 00:11:52.350 --> 00:11:54.119 You know, I've never sat up here 405 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:55.709 before. I really can't see you guys. 406 00:11:55.710 --> 00:11:57.359 It's wild. There's a full blasting 407 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:58.360 light in my face, so. 408 00:12:00.870 --> 00:12:02.099 Well, I just wanted more of a 409 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:03.149 comment and a question. 410 00:12:03.150 --> 00:12:05.039 I mean, I, I absolutely love 411 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:07.139 the film. I think you're talking to. 412 00:12:07.140 --> 00:12:09.089 You're talking to two, North 413 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:10.289 Jersey guys right here. 414 00:12:10.290 --> 00:12:11.729 Nice. Who grew up in that area. 415 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:12.989 What town? 416 00:12:12.990 --> 00:12:13.979 I lived in Mountain Lakes. 417 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:15.299 I don't know what. You're the word 418 00:12:15.300 --> 00:12:16.139 Springs. Oh, yeah. 419 00:12:16.140 --> 00:12:17.729 Yeah, and I used to, but I used to 420 00:12:17.730 --> 00:12:19.529 shop at, flip side. 421 00:12:19.530 --> 00:12:20.909 Get out back in the days. 422 00:12:20.910 --> 00:12:22.319 Do you have any memories? 423 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:23.999 Yeah. I mean, I bought tons of stuff 424 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.119 there, and I remember Wfmy you 425 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:27.629 would mention in flip Side. 426 00:12:27.630 --> 00:12:29.669 Yeah. And I used to watch Uncle 427 00:12:29.670 --> 00:12:31.259 Floyd in high school and college. 428 00:12:31.260 --> 00:12:32.549 So this is like my life. 429 00:12:32.550 --> 00:12:33.479 Yeah, yeah. 430 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.519 And, you know, and but, 431 00:12:35.520 --> 00:12:36.929 you know, also, right now, you know, 432 00:12:36.930 --> 00:12:38.489 I'm at the age where my parents are 433 00:12:38.490 --> 00:12:40.259 transitioning to, you know, you 434 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:41.339 know. Yeah. 435 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:42.929 You know, my mom's got severe 436 00:12:42.930 --> 00:12:44.669 dementia. So that stuff hit home to, 437 00:12:44.670 --> 00:12:45.869 you know, and it really did bring 438 00:12:45.870 --> 00:12:47.969 home, you know, the just 439 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:49.649 the transitory nature of life, you 440 00:12:49.650 --> 00:12:51.929 know, and and also all the. 441 00:12:51.930 --> 00:12:53.819 Did you know, I loved you know, that 442 00:12:53.820 --> 00:12:54.959 in spite whether you finish a 443 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.759 project or not, the, the the the the 444 00:12:56.760 --> 00:12:58.589 creativity, you know, the act of 445 00:12:58.590 --> 00:13:00.599 creation. Yeah, is important whether 446 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:02.489 it ends up being something 447 00:13:02.490 --> 00:13:04.739 monetarily successful. 448 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:06.269 Yeah. So I really enjoyed it. 449 00:13:06.270 --> 00:13:08.039 So I just want to say thank you. 450 00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:09.179 Thank you. 451 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:11.129 You know I think about David Milch. 452 00:13:11.130 --> 00:13:12.569 There's so much stuff about memory 453 00:13:12.570 --> 00:13:13.529 and these artifacts. 454 00:13:13.530 --> 00:13:15.119 And then it was so that was one of 455 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.109 the things that was so intense was 456 00:13:16.110 --> 00:13:18.179 seeing David's memory 457 00:13:18.180 --> 00:13:19.679 leaving him. You know, that was just 458 00:13:19.680 --> 00:13:20.729 such a. 459 00:13:20.730 --> 00:13:23.729 And you, when he's watching 460 00:13:23.730 --> 00:13:25.679 Herman Leonard and then he's kind 461 00:13:25.680 --> 00:13:27.659 of looking over at me, 462 00:13:27.660 --> 00:13:29.099 I don't know. I just did such a 463 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:30.959 sweet moment because he's 464 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.219 being seen, you know, it's almost 465 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:33.869 like we're now doing the thing that 466 00:13:33.870 --> 00:13:35.249 he wanted to do for Herman Leonard. 467 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:36.749 So that's always a moment that I, 468 00:13:36.750 --> 00:13:38.399 you know, get a little choked up. 469 00:13:38.400 --> 00:13:39.809 Anyway. Thank you. 470 00:13:39.810 --> 00:13:40.889 I also, personally, I think that 471 00:13:40.890 --> 00:13:42.929 there's plenty of 472 00:13:42.930 --> 00:13:45.389 validity in making the film 473 00:13:45.390 --> 00:13:47.069 like that performative aspect of 474 00:13:47.070 --> 00:13:48.929 making the acknowledgment of 475 00:13:48.930 --> 00:13:50.819 performance legacy. 476 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:51.959 Yeah. Even if it doesn't get 477 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:53.459 finished, I think it's totally 478 00:13:53.460 --> 00:13:54.779 profound and super important. 479 00:13:54.780 --> 00:13:56.349 Yeah. No. And David was kind of a 480 00:13:56.350 --> 00:13:57.539 almost conceptual genius. 481 00:13:57.540 --> 00:13:59.009 I mean, I didn't love finding that 482 00:13:59.010 --> 00:13:59.999 out after the I mean, you know, 483 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:01.109 because I was like, wait a minute. 484 00:14:01.110 --> 00:14:03.059 That was like, you know, 485 00:14:03.060 --> 00:14:04.259 because I kind of killed myself to 486 00:14:04.260 --> 00:14:05.879 do it and was trying to I wanted to 487 00:14:05.880 --> 00:14:06.389 make it and. 488 00:14:06.390 --> 00:14:07.409 Switch for you. That's a little. 489 00:14:07.410 --> 00:14:09.089 Bit on switch, but did a lovely 490 00:14:09.090 --> 00:14:10.049 ending to that story. 491 00:14:10.050 --> 00:14:12.179 Is that his family after 492 00:14:12.180 --> 00:14:13.589 I had filmed was like, are you going 493 00:14:13.590 --> 00:14:14.819 to make like, you know, an American 494 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:16.199 Masters? Will this be on PBS? 495 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.639 And I was like, no, there's no more 496 00:14:17.640 --> 00:14:19.349 money. There's no, I don't. 497 00:14:19.350 --> 00:14:21.419 And now this is the thing, 498 00:14:21.420 --> 00:14:23.579 you know, like his daughter and 499 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:25.229 her husband have, they're 500 00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:26.249 essentially the estate. 501 00:14:26.250 --> 00:14:28.079 And they have been so generous 502 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:29.909 and gave us permission to use his 503 00:14:29.910 --> 00:14:31.859 photos. And so their blessing was 504 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:33.719 so important because, again, if his 505 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.939 whole character went away, 506 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:37.919 you know, I think the whole fragile 507 00:14:37.920 --> 00:14:39.419 thing falls apart, you know? 508 00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:40.859 Yeah. His voice is definitely a 509 00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:41.860 theme throughout. 510 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.209 I'm curious if, 511 00:14:45.210 --> 00:14:47.939 it sounded like in the film that 512 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:49.979 his photos, he didn't show 513 00:14:49.980 --> 00:14:51.809 his photos until he was around 60. 514 00:14:51.810 --> 00:14:53.189 Yeah, it was like in the 80s. 515 00:14:53.190 --> 00:14:54.809 They were kind of discovered. 516 00:14:54.810 --> 00:14:56.669 He was really like a bit of 517 00:14:56.670 --> 00:14:57.899 a lost soul. And I think he had 518 00:14:57.900 --> 00:15:00.179 this, like, incredibly prolific 519 00:15:00.180 --> 00:15:01.379 period shooting jazz. 520 00:15:01.380 --> 00:15:03.419 And then he kind of like was in it. 521 00:15:03.420 --> 00:15:05.669 He lived in a BFA 522 00:15:05.670 --> 00:15:07.439 for a while, and he was like doing 523 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:08.519 all different kinds of stuff. 524 00:15:08.520 --> 00:15:09.929 And I think his career lost a little 525 00:15:09.930 --> 00:15:10.949 bit of focus. 526 00:15:10.950 --> 00:15:12.209 And then it was when the jazz 527 00:15:12.210 --> 00:15:14.129 photographs were rediscovered 528 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:15.639 that he sort of got back into it. 529 00:15:15.640 --> 00:15:17.009 It was almost like a second wind, 530 00:15:17.010 --> 00:15:18.089 and he was shooting again. 531 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:19.989 And but he was in his 60s or. 532 00:15:19.990 --> 00:15:20.369 Yeah. 533 00:15:20.370 --> 00:15:21.479 Yeah, he was older. Wow. 534 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.369 Yeah. There was also a wild body of 535 00:15:23.370 --> 00:15:23.579 work. 536 00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:24.209 Bloomers. 537 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:25.199 Yeah, exactly. 538 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.029 Shout out to late bloomers. 539 00:15:27.030 --> 00:15:28.289 There was a really cool body of work 540 00:15:28.290 --> 00:15:30.629 that he did also, which is he was, 541 00:15:30.630 --> 00:15:31.630 in New Orleans during. 542 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:34.829 What was that hurricane? 543 00:15:34.830 --> 00:15:36.269 I almost said Sandy, but it's the 544 00:15:36.270 --> 00:15:37.319 one. You know. You know what I'm 545 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.320 talking about. 546 00:15:39.330 --> 00:15:41.369 And many of his prints 547 00:15:41.370 --> 00:15:43.199 were part of a flood, and 548 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.149 he came back, and now that wasn't 549 00:15:45.150 --> 00:15:46.739 his negatives, thankfully. 550 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:48.779 But the destroyed prints, the water 551 00:15:48.780 --> 00:15:50.039 did these amazing things. 552 00:15:50.040 --> 00:15:52.349 Sometimes the photographs would dry 553 00:15:52.350 --> 00:15:53.189 or be decayed. 554 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:54.269 And he did a whole body of work 555 00:15:54.270 --> 00:15:56.129 where he showed the decayed 556 00:15:56.130 --> 00:15:58.289 photos, the photos from the flood. 557 00:15:58.290 --> 00:15:59.909 And they're like almost remixes. 558 00:15:59.910 --> 00:16:01.979 Like it'll be a miles Davis photo 559 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:03.779 that was underwater and it's kind of 560 00:16:03.780 --> 00:16:05.879 exquisite. So he was making until 561 00:16:05.880 --> 00:16:08.309 the end, you know, shooting. 562 00:16:08.310 --> 00:16:09.179 That's really cool. 563 00:16:09.180 --> 00:16:12.209 Thank you, thank you Herman. 564 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:13.469 All right. Question on the side. 565 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.080 I see a couple. 566 00:16:28.400 --> 00:16:29.399 Where's the middle? 567 00:16:29.400 --> 00:16:30.659 You can ask. 568 00:16:30.660 --> 00:16:32.759 We'll get your next question 569 00:16:32.760 --> 00:16:33.599 for you. 570 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.729 I really appreciated the tension 571 00:16:35.730 --> 00:16:37.889 that you were playing with, about 572 00:16:37.890 --> 00:16:39.599 things not being finished when 573 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:40.949 clearly we're watching something 574 00:16:40.950 --> 00:16:41.969 that is finished. 575 00:16:41.970 --> 00:16:42.539 Yeah. 576 00:16:42.540 --> 00:16:44.159 Right. You know, there is an end to 577 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:45.509 this, and it's completed and it's 578 00:16:45.510 --> 00:16:47.400 being shown here and presented. 579 00:16:49.230 --> 00:16:51.209 The the record store is 580 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:52.769 a work in progress for someone's 581 00:16:52.770 --> 00:16:53.999 life. Yeah. 582 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.429 And we never really 583 00:16:56.430 --> 00:16:58.289 know. You never have that direct 584 00:16:58.290 --> 00:17:00.869 conversation with him 585 00:17:00.870 --> 00:17:02.879 about why do you keep 586 00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:05.459 doing this and what is the future? 587 00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:07.169 There is part of me that is kind of 588 00:17:07.170 --> 00:17:08.669 wondering, so, like, what's going on 589 00:17:08.670 --> 00:17:09.868 with the record store now? 590 00:17:09.869 --> 00:17:11.338 Yeah, but if you could talk a little 591 00:17:11.339 --> 00:17:12.868 bit, about that. 592 00:17:12.869 --> 00:17:14.729 Yeah, I 593 00:17:14.730 --> 00:17:17.338 will tell you, I interviewed Dan 594 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:19.318 many, many times and he 595 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.509 is a little bit allergic to 596 00:17:21.510 --> 00:17:22.559 reflecting. 597 00:17:22.560 --> 00:17:24.659 He, he does not like to, 598 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:26.519 you know, kind of pontificate or 599 00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:29.039 think philosophically about things. 600 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:30.599 And so he was really resistant and I 601 00:17:30.600 --> 00:17:32.129 never got the interview where he 602 00:17:32.130 --> 00:17:34.079 said the thing where he 603 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:35.939 had some insight or some thought 604 00:17:35.940 --> 00:17:37.619 or some theory. 605 00:17:37.620 --> 00:17:39.239 So that was a sort of, you know, and 606 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.709 at a certain point, I was just like, 607 00:17:40.710 --> 00:17:41.609 this is who he is. 608 00:17:41.610 --> 00:17:43.559 This is what's happening. 609 00:17:43.560 --> 00:17:45.449 And I was convinced and I think 610 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:47.009 Tracy sort of says it, that, like, I 611 00:17:47.010 --> 00:17:48.029 had to kind of let go. 612 00:17:48.030 --> 00:17:49.349 I had to if he was going to run it 613 00:17:49.350 --> 00:17:50.879 into the ground, and that was going 614 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:51.880 to be what happened. 615 00:17:53.650 --> 00:17:55.239 Something really lovely has been 616 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.889 happening and it's small, but it's 617 00:17:56.890 --> 00:17:59.049 feels significant, which is people 618 00:17:59.050 --> 00:18:00.849 have been seeing the documentary and 619 00:18:00.850 --> 00:18:02.409 making pilgrimages there, and I'll 620 00:18:02.410 --> 00:18:04.329 get these DMs where someone's like, 621 00:18:04.330 --> 00:18:06.999 I just spent $300 on flipside, 622 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:08.439 and they'll take a selfie with Dan, 623 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:09.669 who's just standing there behind the 624 00:18:09.670 --> 00:18:11.109 counter, kind of startled. 625 00:18:11.110 --> 00:18:12.969 But, so that's been a 626 00:18:12.970 --> 00:18:14.859 really lovely development. 627 00:18:14.860 --> 00:18:16.689 And I think that, you know, I 628 00:18:16.690 --> 00:18:17.919 don't think he's getting rich, but I 629 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.449 think that there are people coming 630 00:18:19.450 --> 00:18:21.009 there and there's curiosity seekers. 631 00:18:21.010 --> 00:18:22.419 And now that it's finally streaming, 632 00:18:22.420 --> 00:18:23.739 I think more people are kind of 633 00:18:23.740 --> 00:18:24.519 seeing it. 634 00:18:24.520 --> 00:18:26.019 And again, it's a slow burn, but I 635 00:18:26.020 --> 00:18:27.429 think it's made a difference. 636 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:29.229 And something clicked in him 637 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:30.669 sometime in the last month where 638 00:18:30.670 --> 00:18:32.589 he's decided to make t shirts. 639 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:36.130 Well, no, 640 00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:38.069 I know, Jesus. 641 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:40.079 I just I wanted to go in there 642 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:41.080 and. Yeah. 643 00:18:42.600 --> 00:18:43.949 It is filthy. I mean, that's the 644 00:18:43.950 --> 00:18:45.329 other thing is when you go in there, 645 00:18:45.330 --> 00:18:46.979 you get filthy, but it's like. 646 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:47.969 And there's only a certain kind of 647 00:18:47.970 --> 00:18:49.799 person who wants to get down and 648 00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:50.999 dig through the crates and get their 649 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.000 hands dirty. 650 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.259 So I think 651 00:18:55.260 --> 00:18:57.179 that he sees that this is a moment, 652 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:58.409 and this moment is probably 653 00:18:58.410 --> 00:18:59.459 fleeting, right? There's some 654 00:18:59.460 --> 00:19:01.559 interest and he should capitalize 655 00:19:01.560 --> 00:19:02.939 on it in a small way if he can. 656 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:04.829 So then his tee shirt design 657 00:19:04.830 --> 00:19:06.359 guy got Covid and I don't know, it's 658 00:19:06.360 --> 00:19:08.189 taking very long as things 659 00:19:08.190 --> 00:19:09.509 tend to do and flip side, but 660 00:19:10.650 --> 00:19:12.749 I think that Dan is just 661 00:19:12.750 --> 00:19:15.029 he's going to be there until 662 00:19:15.030 --> 00:19:16.289 he's forced to not be there. 663 00:19:16.290 --> 00:19:17.819 So whether his landlord kicks him 664 00:19:17.820 --> 00:19:19.709 out or whether his health goes 665 00:19:19.710 --> 00:19:21.029 or something, but I don't think he's 666 00:19:21.030 --> 00:19:21.899 going anywhere. 667 00:19:21.900 --> 00:19:23.759 And I think he's got his expenses 668 00:19:23.760 --> 00:19:25.829 and his life down to such 669 00:19:25.830 --> 00:19:29.009 a modest, you know, minimal, 670 00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:30.869 number that he can really live 671 00:19:30.870 --> 00:19:32.159 to the bone. You know, he's kind of 672 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.359 figured out how to do that. 673 00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:35.189 So I hope 674 00:19:35.190 --> 00:19:36.359 that answers your question. 675 00:19:37.620 --> 00:19:39.329 And by the way, should you find 676 00:19:39.330 --> 00:19:40.619 yourselves on the East Coast outside 677 00:19:40.620 --> 00:19:41.729 of New York City, I'm telling you, 678 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:43.259 it's worth the trip. 679 00:19:43.260 --> 00:19:44.789 And the station one guys are lovely. 680 00:19:44.790 --> 00:19:46.139 They love when people come by and 681 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:47.129 say hi. 682 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:49.139 So other 683 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:49.949 than. 684 00:19:49.950 --> 00:19:50.309 The other. 685 00:19:50.310 --> 00:19:51.539 Dad. Okay, we have a question over 686 00:19:51.540 --> 00:19:52.540 here. 687 00:19:52.830 --> 00:19:54.359 There's a third Dan too, who's in 688 00:19:54.360 --> 00:19:55.360 the commercial? 689 00:19:59.810 --> 00:20:00.889 Thank you. Hey. 690 00:20:00.890 --> 00:20:01.890 Hi. 691 00:20:02.390 --> 00:20:03.349 How are you? 692 00:20:03.350 --> 00:20:05.959 So I was wondering, as 693 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:07.939 a teenager who's kind of in 694 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:10.159 limbo right now, doing 695 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.929 graduating high school and going to 696 00:20:11.930 --> 00:20:13.909 college and not really 697 00:20:13.910 --> 00:20:15.259 sure what's happening. 698 00:20:15.260 --> 00:20:16.260 Completely. Yeah. 699 00:20:17.300 --> 00:20:19.369 I, I'm very 700 00:20:19.370 --> 00:20:20.449 open to advice. 701 00:20:20.450 --> 00:20:22.730 And one thing that I like to see, 702 00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:25.879 in the documentary a lot that 703 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.709 I think of is that 704 00:20:27.710 --> 00:20:28.909 need for approval? 705 00:20:28.910 --> 00:20:30.769 Yeah. And I was wondering what 706 00:20:30.770 --> 00:20:33.289 your advice is for balancing 707 00:20:33.290 --> 00:20:35.479 that with your aspirations 708 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:37.489 and what you want to do and making 709 00:20:37.490 --> 00:20:39.019 sure that you don't, I guess, quote 710 00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:40.729 unquote, sell out. 711 00:20:40.730 --> 00:20:41.659 Oh my God. 712 00:20:41.660 --> 00:20:42.919 Of course, the 18 year old asked me 713 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:44.749 the hardest question of the night. 714 00:20:44.750 --> 00:20:45.750 Oh, man. 715 00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:48.990 Wow. 716 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:51.649 You know, approval and selling out. 717 00:20:51.650 --> 00:20:53.539 I might have to, like, separate 718 00:20:53.540 --> 00:20:54.540 those two things. 719 00:20:56.690 --> 00:20:59.029 In the sense that I don't know 720 00:20:59.030 --> 00:21:00.259 if that. Well, I know they're 721 00:21:00.260 --> 00:21:01.579 entwined in really interesting ways. 722 00:21:01.580 --> 00:21:02.580 I mean. 723 00:21:04.730 --> 00:21:06.319 God. And by the way, we're in a 724 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:07.189 moment. 725 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:09.259 I read something today where, 726 00:21:09.260 --> 00:21:11.389 a film director was being 727 00:21:11.390 --> 00:21:13.009 interviewed and saying, I have a 728 00:21:13.010 --> 00:21:14.729 hard time. 729 00:21:14.730 --> 00:21:16.559 Recommending that a young person 730 00:21:16.560 --> 00:21:17.909 get into this business right now 731 00:21:17.910 --> 00:21:18.779 with good conscience. 732 00:21:18.780 --> 00:21:20.279 Do you know what I mean? 733 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:21.659 And that's a scary thing. 734 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:23.879 You know, I think that I'm 735 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.229 sort of, you know, this that was an 736 00:21:25.230 --> 00:21:27.239 unrelated insight, but I just, 737 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.489 I think that. 738 00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:33.709 You need to do a lot of stuff and 739 00:21:33.710 --> 00:21:35.239 try a lot of stuff. 740 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.279 And one of the things 741 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:38.599 that was a great lesson from flip 742 00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:40.429 Side was that I would go there 743 00:21:40.430 --> 00:21:42.229 and I wouldn't feel time pass. 744 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:43.339 I loved being there. 745 00:21:43.340 --> 00:21:45.079 I love talking to people about 746 00:21:45.080 --> 00:21:46.819 records. I loved the community that 747 00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:48.439 was happening in that store. 748 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.269 I loved learning about all the 749 00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:52.339 bands I didn't know, and 750 00:21:52.340 --> 00:21:54.289 it was like my first lesson that 751 00:21:54.290 --> 00:21:56.119 if you can find work 752 00:21:56.120 --> 00:21:58.009 that is effortless 753 00:21:58.010 --> 00:21:59.479 to do, that you love and that you 754 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:01.429 accumulate those 10,000 hours just 755 00:22:01.430 --> 00:22:03.469 doing over and over like that 756 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:05.929 is like the magic trick, you know? 757 00:22:05.930 --> 00:22:08.029 And I feel like if you can 758 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:10.249 find work that connects 759 00:22:10.250 --> 00:22:11.659 with you in that way, I think all 760 00:22:11.660 --> 00:22:13.159 that other stuff kind of melts away, 761 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:13.999 you know what I mean? You're not going 762 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.109 to worry about the approval. 763 00:22:15.110 --> 00:22:16.159 You're going to. You're going to 764 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.049 feel this joy going there every 765 00:22:18.050 --> 00:22:19.279 day and doing it and solving 766 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:21.169 whatever problems that that 767 00:22:21.170 --> 00:22:22.519 work requires, and you're just going 768 00:22:22.520 --> 00:22:23.449 to love it, you know what I mean? 769 00:22:23.450 --> 00:22:24.739 And I think your job for the next 770 00:22:24.740 --> 00:22:25.699 few years, because you're going to 771 00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:27.529 college, it's just try 772 00:22:27.530 --> 00:22:29.929 to try a ton of stuff and 773 00:22:29.930 --> 00:22:30.949 try to figure it out. 774 00:22:30.950 --> 00:22:32.389 Try to figure out what you really 775 00:22:32.390 --> 00:22:33.390 love, you know. 776 00:22:34.580 --> 00:22:36.259 Even if it takes 40 years. 777 00:22:36.260 --> 00:22:38.209 Which, yes, which I can say us late 778 00:22:38.210 --> 00:22:39.679 bloomers can officially say that you 779 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:41.659 might not figure it out right away. 780 00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:42.829 That being said, about approval, 781 00:22:42.830 --> 00:22:44.449 everybody loves approval, but it's 782 00:22:44.450 --> 00:22:46.219 really healthy if you can not need 783 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:47.959 it. Yes, just do what you want to do 784 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:49.009 and not worry about if somebody 785 00:22:49.010 --> 00:22:50.010 approves or not. 786 00:22:50.630 --> 00:22:52.219 Excellent advice. 787 00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:53.959 Not that you ask, but thank you. 788 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:54.960 We have a question up there. 789 00:23:01.730 --> 00:23:03.949 Hi. I love this film. 790 00:23:03.950 --> 00:23:05.989 Thank you. Makes more than my day. 791 00:23:05.990 --> 00:23:08.509 And I love how 792 00:23:08.510 --> 00:23:10.369 you allowed yourself. 793 00:23:10.370 --> 00:23:12.169 With your crew to. 794 00:23:12.170 --> 00:23:13.760 To have it, 795 00:23:15.110 --> 00:23:16.999 spatially and thematically come 796 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.099 together rather than just to 797 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:21.169 linear and forcing a 798 00:23:21.170 --> 00:23:22.369 idea in particular. 799 00:23:22.370 --> 00:23:24.529 And I'm wondering, was 800 00:23:24.530 --> 00:23:26.359 there what was the particular if 801 00:23:26.360 --> 00:23:28.099 there was an moment where you 802 00:23:28.100 --> 00:23:29.100 realized. 803 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:32.239 That sort of. 804 00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:35.549 It's the amalgam of all these 805 00:23:35.550 --> 00:23:36.689 things, and that you'll be bringing 806 00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:38.079 these together. And that'll allow 807 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:39.389 you to say, wait a second. 808 00:23:39.390 --> 00:23:41.309 You know that you 809 00:23:41.310 --> 00:23:43.409 can thematically and spatially 810 00:23:43.410 --> 00:23:45.809 bring together and make something, 811 00:23:45.810 --> 00:23:47.159 as you say in the end of the film, 812 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.170 completely new out of, 813 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.619 what has been, 814 00:23:52.620 --> 00:23:55.079 you know, the carpet fracturing 815 00:23:55.080 --> 00:23:56.399 dust in these fragments. 816 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.259 So, was there a 817 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:00.149 particular moment or how did that 818 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:01.019 come together? Yeah. 819 00:24:01.020 --> 00:24:02.699 I mean, I think that a lesson I also 820 00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:04.229 endlessly learned over and over is 821 00:24:04.230 --> 00:24:07.019 you have to just keep 822 00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:08.249 trying stuff. 823 00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:10.229 It's just endless experiments. 824 00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:11.729 And I think that we went into this 825 00:24:11.730 --> 00:24:12.719 thinking that we were going to make 826 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:14.549 something about a record store, and 827 00:24:14.550 --> 00:24:15.959 then I started slipping into the 828 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.069 edit, these other things, like, 829 00:24:18.070 --> 00:24:19.439 why had this Herman Leonard footage? 830 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.999 I have this wild, hard drive full of 831 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.859 this IRA Glass project that never 832 00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:24.119 saw the light of day. 833 00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:25.889 And I think it was with my editor 834 00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:27.659 when we started to see that you 835 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:29.579 could break 836 00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:31.169 these mini documentaries into 837 00:24:31.170 --> 00:24:33.179 sections, and you could sort 838 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:35.429 of have the voices recur. 839 00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:37.319 That that was a big epiphany moment, 840 00:24:37.320 --> 00:24:38.849 right? That Herman Leonard could we 841 00:24:38.850 --> 00:24:40.769 could meet him, but then he could be 842 00:24:40.770 --> 00:24:42.209 this little voice that comes in and 843 00:24:42.210 --> 00:24:44.099 says, let me talk to you about what 844 00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:45.329 I did when I had to sell out. 845 00:24:45.330 --> 00:24:46.619 Let me talk to you about where I'm 846 00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:47.999 at at this moment in my life, and 847 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.009 that these different voices 848 00:24:50.010 --> 00:24:51.989 could carry these themes, and 849 00:24:51.990 --> 00:24:53.489 that David Milch could do that, and 850 00:24:53.490 --> 00:24:55.379 that starlee could recur and say 851 00:24:55.380 --> 00:24:57.209 something sort of profound. 852 00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:58.210 So it was like 853 00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:01.109 putting them in chunks and having 854 00:25:01.110 --> 00:25:02.339 these mini documentaries and then 855 00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:03.749 being like, we're too, we're sitting 856 00:25:03.750 --> 00:25:05.609 in this too long, but if we can 857 00:25:05.610 --> 00:25:07.679 break it up and braid them together 858 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.119 in these ways and find echoes 859 00:25:09.120 --> 00:25:10.259 between the different characters, 860 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:11.879 that was where the epiphany started 861 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.809 to happen. 862 00:25:12.810 --> 00:25:14.699 And that was in the doing that 863 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.379 was not in the outlining or the 864 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.599 pitching or some conceptual 865 00:25:18.600 --> 00:25:20.099 thing that we went into it with. 866 00:25:20.100 --> 00:25:22.079 It was just in constantly running 867 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:23.249 at the stuff and trying to make 868 00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:25.109 sense out of it. So I would just say 869 00:25:25.110 --> 00:25:26.369 that I have to learn this lesson 870 00:25:26.370 --> 00:25:28.499 every day, which is to just keep 871 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:29.699 doing the work, keep doing the 872 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.169 revisions. I hate all these cliches. 873 00:25:31.170 --> 00:25:32.909 Writing is rewriting, but it's just 874 00:25:32.910 --> 00:25:34.529 true, right? You just have to go 875 00:25:34.530 --> 00:25:36.719 back into the 876 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.659 trenches every day and engage the 877 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:40.139 stuff and figure out why you hate 878 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.059 this, but love this, or why this not 879 00:25:42.060 --> 00:25:43.079 won't untangle. 880 00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:44.279 And what is it? 881 00:25:44.280 --> 00:25:46.289 Voice over. Is it is it a shot? 882 00:25:46.290 --> 00:25:47.609 Is it a timing thing, a piece of 883 00:25:47.610 --> 00:25:49.289 music? So it was in the doing that. 884 00:25:49.290 --> 00:25:50.609 A lot of that stuff got figured out. 885 00:25:50.610 --> 00:25:53.069 There was no sort of grand 886 00:25:53.070 --> 00:25:54.450 blueprint going into it. 887 00:25:59.350 --> 00:26:00.429 These are great questions by the 888 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:01.779 way. Thank you guys I really 889 00:26:01.780 --> 00:26:02.780 appreciate it. 890 00:26:04.780 --> 00:26:06.129 We have one on the side. 891 00:26:06.130 --> 00:26:07.539 Yeah, first. 892 00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:08.799 Then we'll go to that side. 893 00:26:08.800 --> 00:26:10.839 Can, you talk a little 894 00:26:10.840 --> 00:26:12.669 about your impressive 895 00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:14.289 closet of ephemera? 896 00:26:14.290 --> 00:26:14.799 Yeah. 897 00:26:14.800 --> 00:26:16.989 And, where that 898 00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:18.819 fit into the 899 00:26:18.820 --> 00:26:20.859 narrative and and when you're ready 900 00:26:20.860 --> 00:26:22.449 to get rid of some of that stuff. 901 00:26:22.450 --> 00:26:23.169 Yeah. 902 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:25.149 And what scared you the most 903 00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:26.150 about getting rid of that? 904 00:26:28.280 --> 00:26:30.379 Yeah. I mean, I think that 905 00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:31.449 I was worried about. 906 00:26:31.450 --> 00:26:32.959 I should confess, I didn't get rid 907 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:33.979 of all of it. There's still some 908 00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:34.789 stuff in my parents house. 909 00:26:34.790 --> 00:26:35.790 I'm not going to lie. 910 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:38.959 I think that I thought 911 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.459 my identity was wrapped up in it, 912 00:26:40.460 --> 00:26:42.259 that I that that they were so 913 00:26:42.260 --> 00:26:43.819 significant and meaningful and that 914 00:26:43.820 --> 00:26:45.349 what I would return to them, they 915 00:26:45.350 --> 00:26:46.639 would conjure these moments of 916 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:47.869 nostalgia. 917 00:26:47.870 --> 00:26:49.819 And I wanted that weird buzz that 918 00:26:49.820 --> 00:26:50.989 comes from that. 919 00:26:50.990 --> 00:26:52.429 But I think that what I started to 920 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:54.379 find as time was passing was that 921 00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:55.579 they just started to become 922 00:26:55.580 --> 00:26:56.989 reminders of how much time had 923 00:26:56.990 --> 00:26:58.909 passed, and it started to get 924 00:26:58.910 --> 00:27:00.079 a little depressing, you know what I 925 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:02.269 mean? And I found that sometimes 926 00:27:02.270 --> 00:27:03.829 it was enough to just take a photo 927 00:27:03.830 --> 00:27:05.239 of the thing. This is my new garage 928 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:06.919 sale strategy is I go to the garage 929 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.569 sale and I don't buy things. 930 00:27:08.570 --> 00:27:10.339 I take the photo and then I leave. 931 00:27:10.340 --> 00:27:12.289 I walk away because I used 932 00:27:12.290 --> 00:27:13.999 to be the person who wanted to buy 933 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.289 it. And I think, oh, I'll make an 934 00:27:15.290 --> 00:27:17.629 art project out of these weird 935 00:27:17.630 --> 00:27:19.819 glass daguerreotypes I found 936 00:27:19.820 --> 00:27:21.229 in, you know, living in the basement 937 00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:21.689 of this guy. 938 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:23.689 I saved every key I had for like 939 00:27:23.690 --> 00:27:25.219 a hundred years, and I had a giant 940 00:27:25.220 --> 00:27:26.299 box of keys. I was like, this could 941 00:27:26.300 --> 00:27:27.709 be a great art project. 942 00:27:27.710 --> 00:27:28.999 I finally threw them all out, and 943 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.439 then an artist put out a call. 944 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:31.639 Does anybody have any old keys? 945 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:32.990 I'm making a project this piece. 946 00:27:34.070 --> 00:27:34.609 Oh. 947 00:27:34.610 --> 00:27:35.449 See, this is the thing. 948 00:27:35.450 --> 00:27:36.409 But I was that guy. 949 00:27:36.410 --> 00:27:37.429 I'd be like this. 950 00:27:37.430 --> 00:27:38.809 I'm going to archive this because 951 00:27:38.810 --> 00:27:40.639 this is going to be meaningful ham 952 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.229 radio equipment. 953 00:27:42.230 --> 00:27:43.639 You know, I mean, there were so many 954 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.469 things and I mean, I 955 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:47.399 had, you know, tons of 16 956 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.829 millimeter film that would be found 957 00:27:48.830 --> 00:27:50.029 film from people's lives. 958 00:27:50.030 --> 00:27:51.349 And it was actually suffocating 959 00:27:51.350 --> 00:27:52.669 because it's like their memories and 960 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:54.499 my memories. And it was. 961 00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:56.359 So anyway, but there was 962 00:27:56.360 --> 00:27:57.769 so much great stuff in there, too 963 00:27:57.770 --> 00:27:59.629 that, I'm trying to 964 00:27:59.630 --> 00:28:00.439 think what I've held on to it. 965 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:01.879 I mean, the stuff that was really 966 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:03.799 meaningful was like letters 967 00:28:03.800 --> 00:28:05.569 and correspondence and these notes 968 00:28:05.570 --> 00:28:07.189 we would pass in eighth grade in the 969 00:28:07.190 --> 00:28:08.599 hallway. And I think those things I 970 00:28:08.600 --> 00:28:09.919 held on to because those were super 971 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:10.920 meaningful. 972 00:28:11.810 --> 00:28:13.699 But, you know, I 973 00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:14.959 loved that stuff, and I loved 974 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:16.909 returning to that closet. 975 00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:18.799 And then a fun thing, though, and 976 00:28:18.800 --> 00:28:20.089 this was very satisfying, was when 977 00:28:20.090 --> 00:28:21.799 my kids came and started to look 978 00:28:21.800 --> 00:28:22.759 through it, and they would find 979 00:28:22.760 --> 00:28:24.349 things that they found interesting, 980 00:28:24.350 --> 00:28:25.919 clothing they wanted to wear, things 981 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.349 they wanted to. And my daughter 982 00:28:27.350 --> 00:28:29.329 literally is wearing, 983 00:28:29.330 --> 00:28:30.769 and I think it's in homage of the 984 00:28:30.770 --> 00:28:32.599 screening, a shirt of mine from high 985 00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:34.099 school that she got out of that very 986 00:28:34.100 --> 00:28:36.679 closet. So thank you as me for 987 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.569 wearing that. So, you know, there's 988 00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:40.129 a crazy tension there, but I think 989 00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:42.259 I'm way less of, 990 00:28:42.260 --> 00:28:43.489 I don't acquire things in the way 991 00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:44.869 that I used to. I just can't do it, 992 00:28:44.870 --> 00:28:46.099 you know? 993 00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:47.659 I find it now. 994 00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:50.209 I'm even thinking about, you know, 995 00:28:50.210 --> 00:28:51.589 it was a weird dress rehearsal for 996 00:28:51.590 --> 00:28:52.909 getting rid of my parents stuff, 997 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:54.139 too. I've said this to them so it 998 00:28:54.140 --> 00:28:56.359 doesn't feel as creepy to say, but 999 00:28:56.360 --> 00:28:58.279 they've said to me, like, maybe you 1000 00:28:58.280 --> 00:28:59.629 should start thinking about helping 1001 00:28:59.630 --> 00:29:01.519 us purge now because this 1002 00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:02.689 is all just going to fall to you. 1003 00:29:02.690 --> 00:29:04.759 And my sister is not sentimental 1004 00:29:04.760 --> 00:29:05.869 at all. She would literally have a 1005 00:29:05.870 --> 00:29:07.279 dumpster rolled up to their house, 1006 00:29:07.280 --> 00:29:08.599 and she would just throw stuff in 1007 00:29:08.600 --> 00:29:10.669 and light a fire, whereas I'm like, 1008 00:29:10.670 --> 00:29:12.769 oh my God, this object, 1009 00:29:12.770 --> 00:29:14.449 this artifact, this thing from, you 1010 00:29:14.450 --> 00:29:16.429 know, you know, this ashtray 1011 00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:18.679 that my dad had in the 70s. 1012 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.059 Yeah. No, I would be like building a 1013 00:29:20.060 --> 00:29:22.219 museum of miniature soaps. 1014 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:24.289 Yes. Totally. 1015 00:29:24.290 --> 00:29:25.880 Totally. My dad still. 1016 00:29:27.350 --> 00:29:28.129 He still does it. 1017 00:29:28.130 --> 00:29:29.899 Oh, yeah. Even after the film. 1018 00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:31.069 There's no irony to that. 1019 00:29:31.070 --> 00:29:33.109 I mean, he it's a thing. 1020 00:29:33.110 --> 00:29:34.339 It is a it is a compulsion. 1021 00:29:34.340 --> 00:29:36.079 What about the AOL CDs? 1022 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:37.489 He still has them. 1023 00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:38.419 He still has them. 1024 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:39.709 You got ours. And this is the guy 1025 00:29:39.710 --> 00:29:41.659 who we argue 1026 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:43.979 when we go out to dinner because. 1027 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:44.759 Of prices. 1028 00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:46.799 Like if you go to a hotel with him 1029 00:29:46.800 --> 00:29:48.029 and you don't have the continental 1030 00:29:48.030 --> 00:29:49.829 breakfast that is free in the lobby. 1031 00:29:49.830 --> 00:29:50.819 He loses his. 1032 00:29:50.820 --> 00:29:52.799 If you buy breakfast or have room 1033 00:29:52.800 --> 00:29:54.539 service, this is like a week long 1034 00:29:54.540 --> 00:29:55.949 argument that's going to happen. 1035 00:29:55.950 --> 00:29:58.019 My dad, the the biggest quote 1036 00:29:58.020 --> 00:29:59.339 we've ever had that we repeat 1037 00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:00.749 customers. He'll always be like the 1038 00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:02.019 get you with the drink. 1039 00:30:02.020 --> 00:30:02.249 Yeah. 1040 00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:04.829 You know totally totally 1041 00:30:04.830 --> 00:30:05.969 that is yeah. 1042 00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:07.769 So that, you know, that tension is 1043 00:30:07.770 --> 00:30:09.720 still very much alive in the family. 1044 00:30:11.550 --> 00:30:13.589 They seem awesome and hilarious. 1045 00:30:15.750 --> 00:30:17.069 Do is there another question that's 1046 00:30:17.070 --> 00:30:18.419 imperative? Okay. And then I think 1047 00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:20.249 after this we should all repair to. 1048 00:30:20.250 --> 00:30:21.429 And thank you guys again. 1049 00:30:21.430 --> 00:30:24.029 He's an amazing author. 1050 00:30:24.030 --> 00:30:26.279 But go ahead and ask your question. 1051 00:30:26.280 --> 00:30:28.109 The film, as a 1052 00:30:28.110 --> 00:30:29.110 Gen Xer. 1053 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.229 Nice shout out. 1054 00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.329 But also and totally, 1055 00:30:33.330 --> 00:30:34.949 totally enjoyed your mom and your 1056 00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:35.849 dad. 1057 00:30:35.850 --> 00:30:37.169 I totally think that you should do a 1058 00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:38.789 documentary on them. 1059 00:30:38.790 --> 00:30:39.899 Your dad's. 1060 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:40.769 Completely flooded. 1061 00:30:40.770 --> 00:30:41.639 This might be it. 1062 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.449 I don't know if they'll. 1063 00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:43.889 If they'll sit again, they'll be too 1064 00:30:43.890 --> 00:30:45.299 self-conscious. But thank you. 1065 00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:46.379 That's very sweet. And they. 1066 00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:48.149 And the fact that they they were 1067 00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:50.069 terrified. By the way, when this was 1068 00:30:50.070 --> 00:30:51.449 the first time we screened it, they 1069 00:30:51.450 --> 00:30:53.459 were they were, like, ready 1070 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.869 for some kind of takedown, you know, 1071 00:30:54.870 --> 00:30:55.949 they were just so nervous. 1072 00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:57.059 But I think they've now come to 1073 00:30:57.060 --> 00:30:58.529 really appreciate it. And I should 1074 00:30:58.530 --> 00:31:00.359 say, at a screening about 1075 00:31:00.360 --> 00:31:02.399 a month ago, my mom and Judd buried 1076 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:03.400 the beef. 1077 00:31:04.890 --> 00:31:06.329 She she stood up. 1078 00:31:06.330 --> 00:31:06.779 She. 1079 00:31:06.780 --> 00:31:07.859 Thank goodness, because I was going 1080 00:31:07.860 --> 00:31:08.879 to keep me up all night. 1081 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.459 I know, but she 1082 00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:13.349 bowed and gave him her blessing and 1083 00:31:13.350 --> 00:31:14.969 said, it's okay. 1084 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:16.829 And yeah, so that was a big deal 1085 00:31:16.830 --> 00:31:18.270 that felt like, you know, a. 1086 00:31:19.620 --> 00:31:21.029 A weight was lifted from all of our 1087 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:21.719 shelters. 1088 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.239 So you finally have closure. 1089 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:24.729 Jessica. 1090 00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:26.579 Well, come join us 1091 00:31:26.580 --> 00:31:27.839 and meet Chris outside. 1092 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:29.219 Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. 1093 00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:29.489 Thank you. 1094 00:31:29.490 --> 00:31:30.689 Thank you for having this. 1095 00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:32.189 This is great. And an earthquake to 1096 00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:32.979 punctuate it all. 1097 00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:33.599 Yeah. 1098 00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:34.559 Amazing. 1099 00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:35.560 Thank you guys.