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Join me in welcoming chief

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curator of film at MoMA,

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Raj Roy.

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Thank you, Claudia.

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Thank you all for

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again for being here tonight.

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It's my pleasure to welcome one

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of our guests this evening.

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Please welcome Claire Foy.

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Jessie is coming.

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She's just stuck in traffic.

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L.A.

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visiting.

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Never lived up to L.A.

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to still be with

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us.

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We'll make a really great entrance.

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I bet.

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As I told Claire, this is

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our chance. Whatever she wants to

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say.

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Got to get off my chest now.

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What if she gets it?

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But I do want to thank you for being

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here. And I want to thank you for

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your support of this picture.

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Clearly, it's something that you

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believe in.

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You dedicated yourself

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extraordinarily to the work,

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but the work continues in

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getting the message out.

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And I kind of wanted to start

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by talking about gathering this

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group, and maybe we can just take

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this opportunity.

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If you could share with us, if you

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wouldn't mind your experience of

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talking to Sarah Polley,

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your director, your writer about

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this, and and how you

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how she and yourself

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talked about.

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Finding this character for you.

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And was it this

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was it Salomé that she brought to

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you initially?

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Was it always her?

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And and how how did

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you bring yourself to

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to the character?

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I think Sara met probably

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everyone who was

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working for this film

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or in my head, that's

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what I imagined, that everybody

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would basically be fighting to get

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in it, because when I read it, it

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was such an original, unique

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script and

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she's such a brilliant director.

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I like the stories we tell.

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I think it's one of my favorite

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documentaries. So

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yeah, that in my head that was what

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would be happening and say when we

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had to zoom because it was deep

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and covert. Is that her?

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I can hear

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Jessie Buckley.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Hi, Jessie. I'm Raj.

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I'm a pleasure to meet

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you.

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Thank you for making

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this spicier than it would have been

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if you had already been here.

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Right.

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It's got to be special for the

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hammer.

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I just saying it was really

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important.

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Oh, yeah. No, it wasn't.

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Carry on.

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No, but everything good, I.

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There was an accident.

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Hopefully not too near you,

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was it? Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay.

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But you're all good.

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I'm fine.

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Claire took the first incoming by

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herself, so we were talking about

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gathering this group and

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how your initial

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kind of conversations with Sarah

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and how you found the character.

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And so Claire was

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in the middle of describing her

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experience of getting to know Sarah

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through her work, her earlier work,

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and then finding this character.

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Yes. No, I was saying that

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I think that when Sarah was talking

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to everybody, it was with like

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every like it was a it

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was very open.

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It was like every every character

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was on the table.

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Obviously, within your playing

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range, I think that's what it felt

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like because she asked me,

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I know that it was, I

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was, had been given the script with

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owner in mind.

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Mhm.

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But it just that was never going

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to happen and

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I.

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Was.

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Just, I'm not Rooney like I just

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don't know anyone who could do what

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she like can do and make something

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so genuine

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and sweet and not

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be kind of saccharine and too much

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like she just has an amazing ability

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just to be there and be completely

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open and spiritual,

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which I don't know whether I got.

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Anyway, so, but she, when she asked

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me what character I really strongly

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felt about it was the limelight

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straight away, because I'd read the

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book by that point and I was just

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like, She's the one for me.

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But expecting her to say, Well,

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I don't really see that happening.

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So goodbye.

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And then, yeah, she gave me a crack

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at it. So

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I think it was great for me.

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Yeah. Thank God.

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And Jessie, what was what

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was your experience of like talking

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to Sarah first about this

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and how you found your

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character?

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yeah, a bit similarly, I think.

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I can't really remember.

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She probably I can't remember who

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she said, who she fancy as

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our fancy Mary Kay.

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and I being honest that when I read

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the script because I hadn't read the

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book.

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And I was like, I have no

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idea how you do this.

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It felt so foreign like

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that. The conversation felt so

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far and the settings felt so

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far. And I couldn't even

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I just had never read

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anything like that.

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you know, kind of a debate like that

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that would, I guess, happen

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in real time where

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the kind of internal

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conflict within the relationships

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between these women trying to

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imagine something better than some

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thing that they'd always understood

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about themselves would

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to. Mary Kay.

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she was some she was.

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I didn't understand.

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I knew that woman.

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understand what that woman,

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why that woman might be that way.

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I'm really drawn

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to that. And I really

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kind of feel fiercely protective

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of her because in a

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way, she has so much internalized

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violence from a legacy

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of Internet of violence that she's.

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I have no idea what I'm talking

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about right now. Oh, you're

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with. I know.

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It sounds like you do

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Angry. I met Sarah.

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I did a shit Zoom.

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Yeah. So.

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So that. That's actually an

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interesting thing. This wasn't like

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you all got in a happy room and you

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were eating pasta and, like,

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let's talk.

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This was pandemic era full

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on. Pandemic era was

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still here. But you did

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this on Zoom. You met through this

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on Zoom before you actually got in a

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room.

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Yeah. And anyone who's

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done a Zoom audition will know how

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hard and horrible they're.

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They're like, so they're such a

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weird thing, you know?

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you know, it was she's amazing.

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Like, Sarah is such an incredible

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force. And I think the thing that

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really drew me to wanting to do this

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is watching her documentary, The

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Stories We Tell.

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going to give me kind of solace

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that somebody could lead this

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from such a powerful, vulnerable

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place, it was her because she was

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able to hold so many perspectives

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in that documentary, and it was such

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a personal story to her.

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And I was like, Wow, that's really

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that's what this film

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needs. And that's the kind of leader

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this film needs.

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To endorsements for stories we tell.

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You know, and,

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you know, just added to the kind of

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giant list of genius qualities

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that Sarah has that she can hire

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well off of Zoom.

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I have not had that experience.

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It's really frickin hard,

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you know, like.

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then. Okay, so then you

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found your. Your characters, or

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at least you've, you've pointed to

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the one. You're like, I want that

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and I want to try that.

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And, but then coming together

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as, as a clan of of actors,

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as artists, I read something

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that Fran McDormand, who is is in

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the picture but also produced, kind

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of wanted to set you guys all up on

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an isolated community somewhere

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on a farm and have you live that way

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and like really, Fran,

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it out there?

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Is that what happened?

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bring a caravan?

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Not caravan.

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A Winnebago.

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Nomadic nomad that.

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site, waiting for people to

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join them.

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They're going to have because I

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think they realized that they

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couldn't shoot, you know,

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what they wanted to do with the,

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you know, in the with the light

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changing all day, every day.

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barn was in a

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studio or not a studio like a

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exhibition center because it was so

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much shooting in Toronto that we

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were in. That is weird

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what they weren't using it because

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of COVID exhibition center, which

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had a corrugated iron roof.

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So every time it rained, we had to

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stop filming, which is sort of the

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opposite of why you shoot in a

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studio.

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And but yes,

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we did. When we were out, though, we

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loved it when we were when we were

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in the colony, because basically it

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was a farm outside Toronto.

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And they built the barn and they

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built all the houses and they

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replanted the fields with soy

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like nine months before they start

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shooting.

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It felt amazing.

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And we were then able to take that

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back with us to the studio to kind

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of remember it.

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Yeah.

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And so then but were

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there exercises that you did in

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preparation? I mean, we just want to

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know, right? Like normal humans want

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to know what you extraordinary

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humans do to get in this place

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where you can do that.

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Oh, yeah. What you do up there is

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extraordinary and clearly

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is tapping into something that that

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Sarah provided for you.

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But was there any kind of

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preparation in getting into that

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real place of intimacy that

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obviously the barn scenes

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either I don't know if they

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necessitated for you, but they

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delivered for us.

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We just hung out like we just

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kind of we just hung out.

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And I think we couldn't

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really afford

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to take that home or, you

338
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know, it was too much.

339
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We were doing that 150.

340
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You know, we're doing scenes that

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were 150 takes over three days.

342
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So like you kind of got leave

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it in the attic at a certain point

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and then we'd all kind of slop

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back with her socks and sandals to

346
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the green room and talk about

347
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boyfriends, girlfriends and

348
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wine and, you know, like, we

349
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kind of needed to come away from

350
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it.

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I think we did.

352
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The first thing we probably shot was

353
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washing the face, didn't we?

354
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We were all giggling, like we were

355
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kind of insecure.

356
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I mean, if these

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four.

358
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Also it was like weird.

359
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So we did a week of rehearsal on

360
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Zoom and then we did a week of

361
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rehearsal in the hayloft but masked

362
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up and visor don't.

363
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So none of us could hear one another

364
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or look each other in the eye.

365
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And so when we were actually and

366
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then it's that unceremonious thing

367
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when you actually start shooting,

368
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you feel like someone should do a

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speech or something, but then you

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just find this off and then you're

371
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rolling. And we were like, What are

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we doing? Like we did.

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What you did launched straight into

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speech.

375
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I like early George.

376
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I was always doing a speech.

377
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That's a character, but.

378
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But, yeah, it's weird when you just

379
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suddenly start shooting, but I think

380
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that's what Sarah does so cleverly

381
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is where we're all very, very

382
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different actors and very

383
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different people, very different

384
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performers.

385
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But we all have a very similar ethic

386
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when it comes to working

387
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with each other and like community,

388
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and that no one is more

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important than the group and that we

390
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just were all.

391
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So I just immediately just went,

392
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right, we're here. Hello.

393
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I barely know you, but I'm going to

394
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start touching you and

395
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being nobody, you know, I'm like

396
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cuddling you and, you know, talking.

397
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We're going to start talking very

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intimately about things straight

399
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away. That's just who we all were.

400
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So you running on stage and hugging?

401
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That was part of, like, the process

402
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of making this movie in a little

403
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while.

404
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No. Anyway, that was a bad.

405
00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:58.769
No, but the but weirdly, like,

406
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the women were very like that's

407
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the one thing that Miriam, who wrote

408
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the book, was very clear about, that

409
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the women were very tactile with

410
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each other.

411
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They loved to laugh.

412
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And so what was happening in the

413
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film was also we just laughed

414
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all the time. It was so silly.

415
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So, so silly.

416
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And just very just straight

417
00:13:16.770 --> 00:13:18.659
away. Very like, yeah, yeah.

418
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Incredible.

419
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Especially the part about the

420
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masks and the visors.

421
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Um. Wow.

422
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More and more miraculous, but

423
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so serious.

424
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Now, the three kind

425
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of choice points, right?

426
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Do nothing. Stay and fight

427
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and leave.

428
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It's a conflict that's in

429
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all of them that they're there

430
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processing it. It also feels very

431
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directly if we're paying attention

432
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in all of us.

433
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Right. And things in our lives

434
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that we have to.

435
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To to grapple with.

436
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And so this kind of internal

437
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conflict versus the public,

438
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at least within the realm of the

439
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cohort that's having the discussion,

440
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public conversation or argument.

441
00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:05.709
Did did did you

442
00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:07.299
process any any of that that

443
00:14:07.300 --> 00:14:09.489
internal conflict that's obviously

444
00:14:09.490 --> 00:14:10.989
in your character, right.

445
00:14:10.990 --> 00:14:12.699
The things that she has to to

446
00:14:12.700 --> 00:14:14.619
process versus what she

447
00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:16.449
is saying or arguing in front of

448
00:14:16.450 --> 00:14:18.819
the group. Because sometimes

449
00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:20.769
I would perceive that, you know,

450
00:14:20.770 --> 00:14:21.999
sometimes you argue things that, you

451
00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.109
know, you don't believe.

452
00:14:23.110 --> 00:14:25.059
Right. Because you just feel you

453
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have to win or you have to make this

454
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point. Was that part of

455
00:14:29.170 --> 00:14:31.689
what you put into this at all or

456
00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:32.690
am I just projecting?

457
00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:36.909
I don't know. I think yeah, we

458
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probably did.

459
00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:39.699
I mean, like these this is that

460
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these women have never had

461
00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:43.809
that, you know,

462
00:14:43.810 --> 00:14:46.019
conversation or that thought or

463
00:14:46.020 --> 00:14:47.949
even been allowed to

464
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speak that conflict

465
00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:52.269
out between each

466
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other and within themselves ever

467
00:14:54.160 --> 00:14:56.319
in their life. Like they created

468
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a space where that could happen.

469
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And I don't think

470
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it was ever for any of them, a kind

471
00:15:01.870 --> 00:15:04.279
of black and white experience

472
00:15:04.280 --> 00:15:06.339
like these women transcended through

473
00:15:06.340 --> 00:15:08.979
the conflict to find something

474
00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:10.989
new about themselves through that.

475
00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:13.659
And for me, anyway, I don't know, it

476
00:15:13.660 --> 00:15:15.699
was never even though, you know,

477
00:15:15.700 --> 00:15:17.709
I kind of fly the flag

478
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of do nothing.

479
00:15:20.980 --> 00:15:22.869
It wasn't just for

480
00:15:22.870 --> 00:15:24.759
me, like it was a kind of

481
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wrangling.

482
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Ness.

483
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Of fear, of not knowing

484
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where we're going.

485
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You know, sometimes it's better the

486
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devil, you know.

487
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You know, like it's maybe

488
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easier for Marika.

489
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And it was like there was part of

490
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her that maybe it was easier to

491
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to live or survive the life

492
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she'd always known in the hope

493
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that the next life will be better.

494
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But the thing that she came through

495
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is actually no, there's enough to

496
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hope for in this life.

497
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And having a community around

498
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her to kind of

499
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break that spell and let her hope

500
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for that was kind of my

501
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experience anyway.

502
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What about you, Claire?

503
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Um.

504
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Oh, that was so.

505
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Lovely.

506
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Um, I don't

507
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I it's weird because, actually,

508
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I don't know whether this is just my

509
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stupidity as a person, but I,

510
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I, I, I couldn't hear

511
00:16:18.150 --> 00:16:19.979
some of the arguments and I

512
00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:21.839
think that was Salem's

513
00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:23.729
lack of she didn't want to hear the

514
00:16:23.730 --> 00:16:24.989
other arguments.

515
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She sort of didn't have the space or

516
00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:28.259
time to have a theoretical

517
00:16:28.260 --> 00:16:29.879
debate about who's guilty or not

518
00:16:29.880 --> 00:16:31.709
guilty. She's like, there's bigger

519
00:16:31.710 --> 00:16:33.299
fish to fry in this room.

520
00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:34.889
And I think the I didn't really

521
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grasp and that does happen to be

522
00:16:36.420 --> 00:16:37.859
quite a lot like I can't ever really

523
00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:39.029
get ahead of my character in a

524
00:16:39.030 --> 00:16:40.739
story. I'm not very good at seeing

525
00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:42.209
the bigger picture of the story.

526
00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:43.949
Like, I'm pretty myopic in the sense

527
00:16:43.950 --> 00:16:45.929
that I'm like from my character's

528
00:16:45.930 --> 00:16:47.489
point of view, I'm seeing what's

529
00:16:47.490 --> 00:16:48.869
happening as opposed to being able

530
00:16:48.870 --> 00:16:49.870
to see the arc of it,

531
00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:52.889
which is why directors are really

532
00:16:52.890 --> 00:16:54.749
great to keep you

533
00:16:54.750 --> 00:16:55.709
aware of what I.

534
00:16:55.710 --> 00:16:57.149
Think you're describing focus

535
00:16:57.150 --> 00:16:57.809
actually, which is.

536
00:16:57.810 --> 00:16:59.249
A good thing.

537
00:16:59.250 --> 00:17:00.929
But so a lot of the arguments

538
00:17:00.930 --> 00:17:02.849
watching it back, weirdly, I was

539
00:17:02.850 --> 00:17:04.828
like, Oh, okay,

540
00:17:04.829 --> 00:17:06.358
because you're so focused on going,

541
00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.189
no, no, no, no

542
00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:10.139
in your own head, or that's what

543
00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:12.150
Salem's doing. I think that

544
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.239
that you don't hear the nuance and

545
00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.129
you're, you know, obviously I

546
00:17:17.130 --> 00:17:19.289
saw it and I did terror as an actor

547
00:17:19.290 --> 00:17:20.459
because we did it, you know, so many

548
00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:22.618
times. But really

549
00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:23.818
understanding the significance of

550
00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:25.588
what those conversations are, really

551
00:17:25.589 --> 00:17:28.108
seeing the owner and Gretta and

552
00:17:28.109 --> 00:17:30.089
A are able to

553
00:17:30.090 --> 00:17:31.529
live in a world where they can

554
00:17:31.530 --> 00:17:32.669
discuss those things without

555
00:17:32.670 --> 00:17:34.649
attaching it like such a strong

556
00:17:34.650 --> 00:17:36.179
reaction to it was pretty amazing

557
00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:38.549
because Salem's always

558
00:17:38.550 --> 00:17:40.539
like, like full

559
00:17:40.540 --> 00:17:42.389
like foot on the pedal all the time.

560
00:17:42.390 --> 00:17:43.859
Yeah.

561
00:17:43.860 --> 00:17:45.719
And she's someone we want

562
00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:47.159
to latch on to because of that,

563
00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.989
right? Because she, you know,

564
00:17:48.990 --> 00:17:50.969
she's emanating strength or at least

565
00:17:50.970 --> 00:17:53.399
the appearance of strength, which is

566
00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.049
something to be admired that the

567
00:17:55.050 --> 00:17:57.269
question I had, you know,

568
00:17:57.270 --> 00:17:58.499
like kind of what scared you the

569
00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:00.569
most about your character and what

570
00:18:00.570 --> 00:18:02.669
did you admire most about

571
00:18:02.670 --> 00:18:03.670
your character?

572
00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:10.509
Mm hmm.

573
00:18:10.510 --> 00:18:12.909
I think I.

574
00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:14.829
I didn't really realize it at

575
00:18:14.830 --> 00:18:16.749
the time, but the thing that I

576
00:18:16.750 --> 00:18:18.819
was scared of with Mary Kay was

577
00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:20.769
how internalized

578
00:18:20.770 --> 00:18:22.119
that violence was.

579
00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:24.249
You know, she wasn't, um.

580
00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:26.049
She didn't like herself very much.

581
00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:28.099
And, um.

582
00:18:30.350 --> 00:18:31.909
I guess when that starts to get

583
00:18:31.910 --> 00:18:33.889
poked, how

584
00:18:33.890 --> 00:18:36.019
that expresses itself and how scary

585
00:18:36.020 --> 00:18:37.849
it is for that thing to

586
00:18:37.850 --> 00:18:39.829
start to kind of come out

587
00:18:39.830 --> 00:18:41.749
or get dissolved or change

588
00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:42.750
is

589
00:18:43.810 --> 00:18:44.869
is scary.

590
00:18:44.870 --> 00:18:46.279
You know, you have to let go.

591
00:18:48.590 --> 00:18:50.719
And I

592
00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.549
kind of tried and

593
00:18:52.550 --> 00:18:55.069
wanted to not judge this woman

594
00:18:55.070 --> 00:18:56.070
because.

595
00:18:57.190 --> 00:18:59.109
In a way, there is like this

596
00:18:59.110 --> 00:19:00.849
monster, you know, that was like

597
00:19:00.850 --> 00:19:02.859
inside her. And the only

598
00:19:02.860 --> 00:19:04.659
way you kind of team that monster is

599
00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:06.389
to kind of look it in the eyes.

600
00:19:06.390 --> 00:19:08.689
Um, but the thing, I,

601
00:19:08.690 --> 00:19:10.609
I, I,

602
00:19:10.610 --> 00:19:12.609
I don't know. I love

603
00:19:12.610 --> 00:19:14.739
her so much

604
00:19:14.740 --> 00:19:16.659
and I've learned so much from

605
00:19:16.660 --> 00:19:17.649
her.

606
00:19:17.650 --> 00:19:20.949
And I think

607
00:19:20.950 --> 00:19:23.319
what I've loved about her is

608
00:19:23.320 --> 00:19:25.209
kind of where all of

609
00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:26.799
her, you know, like, in a way,

610
00:19:28.120 --> 00:19:30.159
these women, us, all

611
00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.479
of us have kind of had to be

612
00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.309
physically and emotionally contorted

613
00:19:33.310 --> 00:19:35.169
to be palatable to the world in some

614
00:19:35.170 --> 00:19:36.609
shape or form. But life's not that

615
00:19:36.610 --> 00:19:38.649
simple, and

616
00:19:38.650 --> 00:19:39.999
she's probably the ugliest

617
00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.249
contortion of what that embodies,

618
00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:43.659
and she has to break that.

619
00:19:43.660 --> 00:19:45.669
And when she does break that,

620
00:19:45.670 --> 00:19:47.499
the kind of pride

621
00:19:47.500 --> 00:19:49.389
she has of her

622
00:19:49.390 --> 00:19:51.219
daughter who catalyzed

623
00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:53.199
this whole thing

624
00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.299
is the thing that I loved the most

625
00:19:55.300 --> 00:19:56.529
about her. You know, that moment

626
00:19:56.530 --> 00:19:58.539
when she she's seeing her the whole

627
00:19:58.540 --> 00:20:00.819
way through, which is terrifying

628
00:20:00.820 --> 00:20:02.889
for her because her daughter saying,

629
00:20:02.890 --> 00:20:04.569
look, mom, look, you can look in the

630
00:20:04.570 --> 00:20:05.889
mirror and you can see something

631
00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:07.299
else in yourself.

632
00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:08.829
And when she does do that and they

633
00:20:08.830 --> 00:20:10.869
have that moment is just like

634
00:20:10.870 --> 00:20:12.129
was amazing.

635
00:20:12.130 --> 00:20:13.130
Yeah. Wow.

636
00:20:20.470 --> 00:20:21.470
Uh.

637
00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.469
I'll say with what I loved first,

638
00:20:24.470 --> 00:20:25.880
because basically everything

639
00:20:27.380 --> 00:20:29.269
I

640
00:20:29.270 --> 00:20:32.209
loved, everything

641
00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:34.309
I just did. I just like

642
00:20:34.310 --> 00:20:36.079
the way Miriam wrote her in the book

643
00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:37.909
was just

644
00:20:37.910 --> 00:20:40.029
she did things like that

645
00:20:40.030 --> 00:20:41.629
to push the boundaries of what the

646
00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:42.630
community meant.

647
00:20:43.610 --> 00:20:45.509
And Salem is not the most educate

648
00:20:45.510 --> 00:20:46.789
like her sister is very educated.

649
00:20:46.790 --> 00:20:47.990
She's not very educated

650
00:20:49.430 --> 00:20:50.869
yet. She would still they used to

651
00:20:50.870 --> 00:20:52.309
have a bell, did you know that?

652
00:20:52.310 --> 00:20:53.479
But they had a bell which told them

653
00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.489
what time to eat

654
00:20:55.490 --> 00:20:57.169
like a big bell in the book.

655
00:20:57.170 --> 00:20:59.239
And Salem like went and took

656
00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:00.649
the bell down like a big massive

657
00:21:00.650 --> 00:21:02.629
bell and just like took

658
00:21:02.630 --> 00:21:03.679
it home with her.

659
00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:04.939
And they were like, Oh, where's the

660
00:21:04.940 --> 00:21:06.799
bell? And she, as

661
00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:08.059
she was said, No one's going to tell

662
00:21:08.060 --> 00:21:09.289
me when to eat.

663
00:21:09.290 --> 00:21:10.789
And normally in that sort of

664
00:21:10.790 --> 00:21:12.169
community, you would get excommunicated,

665
00:21:12.170 --> 00:21:13.429
like you be out.

666
00:21:13.430 --> 00:21:15.139
But the thing about Salem was she

667
00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:16.249
couldn't be out because she was the

668
00:21:16.250 --> 00:21:17.149
community.

669
00:21:17.150 --> 00:21:19.189
And you see that in the film with

670
00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:21.199
her. Her and Miao do

671
00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.389
not get along, but the

672
00:21:23.390 --> 00:21:24.829
she's the first person that to help

673
00:21:24.830 --> 00:21:26.479
her. She's going to be the first

674
00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:27.859
person outside your door

675
00:21:28.940 --> 00:21:30.019
with food.

676
00:21:30.020 --> 00:21:31.909
If you're having if you're ill,

677
00:21:31.910 --> 00:21:33.019
that's who she is.

678
00:21:33.020 --> 00:21:34.549
And she's basically the person you

679
00:21:34.550 --> 00:21:35.749
want in a fight. If there was, like,

680
00:21:35.750 --> 00:21:37.519
a bear outside your door.

681
00:21:37.520 --> 00:21:39.559
Salem doesn't think she does, does

682
00:21:39.560 --> 00:21:40.579
she? Protects the people that she

683
00:21:40.580 --> 00:21:41.839
loves. And that's why she goes.

684
00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:42.649
And that's what she does.

685
00:21:42.650 --> 00:21:44.989
She doesn't think about things

686
00:21:44.990 --> 00:21:46.819
and that's why she's with owner is

687
00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:48.679
really interesting difficulty that

688
00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:50.239
they have because she all owner does

689
00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.719
is think she doesn't do anything

690
00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.919
it doesn't she's like what's what

691
00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.299
are you doing?

692
00:21:56.300 --> 00:21:58.279
So she's, you know, she, she

693
00:21:58.280 --> 00:21:59.659
just does.

694
00:21:59.660 --> 00:22:02.089
But I think I was scared

695
00:22:02.090 --> 00:22:03.679
just as an actor.

696
00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:05.659
I think I was

697
00:22:05.660 --> 00:22:07.699
very scared about

698
00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:09.679
taking up that space.

699
00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:11.659
Like, I've

700
00:22:11.660 --> 00:22:13.309
never done anything big.

701
00:22:13.310 --> 00:22:15.229
I've never done any, like, big

702
00:22:15.230 --> 00:22:17.269
acting, really.

703
00:22:19.190 --> 00:22:21.079
A lots of reasons I don't really

704
00:22:21.080 --> 00:22:23.509
know, but it sort of scares me

705
00:22:23.510 --> 00:22:25.489
being big because I'm like, Oh

706
00:22:25.490 --> 00:22:26.869
no, because there's other people

707
00:22:26.870 --> 00:22:28.789
here and it's been embarrassing and

708
00:22:28.790 --> 00:22:30.559
oh, like, you just scared that

709
00:22:30.560 --> 00:22:31.729
someone's going to say, Your face

710
00:22:31.730 --> 00:22:33.259
looks a bit strange when you're a

711
00:22:33.260 --> 00:22:35.839
bit like you're like doing that.

712
00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:37.669
And so I was just, I was just

713
00:22:37.670 --> 00:22:38.869
a bit afraid of,

714
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:41.839
I hadn't how to play the character

715
00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:43.669
where someone had said, go, go, go,

716
00:22:43.670 --> 00:22:45.439
go, go. Like, spread your wings, off

717
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.119
you go. Be loud, do it.

718
00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:47.959
Be aggressive.

719
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.419
Be really, really aggressive.

720
00:22:50.420 --> 00:22:51.649
And so I was quite afraid of that.

721
00:22:51.650 --> 00:22:52.969
But as soon as I did it, I couldn't

722
00:22:52.970 --> 00:22:53.970
stop. So

723
00:22:54.810 --> 00:22:56.899
so I loved it as well.

724
00:22:56.900 --> 00:22:58.219
But yeah, that was the biggest fear

725
00:22:58.220 --> 00:22:59.929
was like taking that space up, I

726
00:22:59.930 --> 00:23:00.739
suppose.

727
00:23:00.740 --> 00:23:02.629
Don't stop your death.

728
00:23:02.630 --> 00:23:04.339
You take up space very well.

729
00:23:04.340 --> 00:23:05.299
It's great.

730
00:23:05.300 --> 00:23:07.219
So we'll have time for one or two

731
00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:08.149
questions from the audience.

732
00:23:08.150 --> 00:23:09.619
So get them ready and an usher will

733
00:23:09.620 --> 00:23:12.109
come by and hand you a mic.

734
00:23:12.110 --> 00:23:13.939
While that's happening, I did

735
00:23:13.940 --> 00:23:15.889
want to pivot to the

736
00:23:15.890 --> 00:23:17.749
one gentleman in

737
00:23:17.750 --> 00:23:18.750
the room.

738
00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:21.529
And, you know, I have to I have

739
00:23:21.530 --> 00:23:22.530
to say

740
00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:25.309
that that there was a space

741
00:23:25.310 --> 00:23:27.319
made for a man who,

742
00:23:29.270 --> 00:23:31.099
you know, who was had

743
00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:32.479
somehow proven his allyship.

744
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.399
Right. That that was safe and that

745
00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.559
was welcomed in this community

746
00:23:36.560 --> 00:23:38.539
of women. I mean, it it spoke

747
00:23:38.540 --> 00:23:40.189
to a lot of us that have been

748
00:23:40.190 --> 00:23:41.419
fortunate enough to find us

749
00:23:41.420 --> 00:23:42.769
ourselves in that situation.

750
00:23:42.770 --> 00:23:44.479
A lot of times it's the gay boy

751
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:45.649
high.

752
00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:46.970
A lot of times it's,

753
00:23:48.050 --> 00:23:49.969
you know, the the the man who

754
00:23:49.970 --> 00:23:52.069
has been outcast himself,

755
00:23:52.070 --> 00:23:53.869
as is the case in Ben Whishaw, his

756
00:23:53.870 --> 00:23:56.959
character. And he's spectacular.

757
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.419
Maybe just talk a little bit about

758
00:23:59.420 --> 00:24:00.619
your experience of working with him.

759
00:24:00.620 --> 00:24:01.909
I mean, he's he's extraordinary,

760
00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:03.769
obviously, but obviously a lot of

761
00:24:03.770 --> 00:24:05.509
pressure on him as well, probably,

762
00:24:05.510 --> 00:24:06.510
too.

763
00:24:07.310 --> 00:24:08.389
I mean, he does the opposite, right?

764
00:24:08.390 --> 00:24:09.679
He's he's not taking up space.

765
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.719
And that's very much the point

766
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:13.099
of of his character.

767
00:24:13.100 --> 00:24:14.569
I just sit in this and can say this

768
00:24:14.570 --> 00:24:15.499
because he's not here. There's no

769
00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:16.879
one like him.

770
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:18.949
I've never worked with an actor.

771
00:24:18.950 --> 00:24:19.729
A male actor.

772
00:24:19.730 --> 00:24:21.979
Who is

773
00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:23.899
it? I mean, I just just

774
00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:25.879
the idea that he took the part

775
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.709
is a sign of who

776
00:24:27.710 --> 00:24:29.479
he is and what sort of an actor is.

777
00:24:30.710 --> 00:24:32.539
He never felt

778
00:24:32.540 --> 00:24:34.279
like he wasn't part of the group.

779
00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:36.109
He never felt like he wasn't

780
00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:37.489
a really valued member.

781
00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:39.109
He never felt like his opinion and

782
00:24:39.110 --> 00:24:40.789
like he was he was just a he was the

783
00:24:40.790 --> 00:24:42.079
fabric of it. It couldn't have been

784
00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:43.279
made without him. Like it couldn't

785
00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:45.049
have been made without any of the

786
00:24:45.050 --> 00:24:46.759
men on the crew with any of the men

787
00:24:46.760 --> 00:24:47.960
involved in the movie.

788
00:24:49.550 --> 00:24:51.409
He just

789
00:24:51.410 --> 00:24:53.269
it was one of the I have wanted

790
00:24:53.270 --> 00:24:54.829
to work with him for a very long

791
00:24:54.830 --> 00:24:56.899
time and just presumed

792
00:24:56.900 --> 00:24:57.769
I wouldn't.

793
00:24:57.770 --> 00:24:59.719
And getting to act

794
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:01.069
one on one with him in a scene, it

795
00:25:01.070 --> 00:25:03.079
was just one of the best things

796
00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:05.119
in my professional life because

797
00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:06.979
he's an open

798
00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:08.869
book he wears on his

799
00:25:08.870 --> 00:25:09.679
sleeve.

800
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.419
There's just no there is no I can't

801
00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:12.589
even say enough. There's no one like

802
00:25:12.590 --> 00:25:14.309
him. No one like.

803
00:25:14.310 --> 00:25:16.169
And he made us all cry.

804
00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:17.189
He made me cry.

805
00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:18.989
But yeah.

806
00:25:18.990 --> 00:25:20.639
Yeah, yeah.

807
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.589
Um, do we have

808
00:25:22.590 --> 00:25:23.590
audience questions?

809
00:25:26.090 --> 00:25:28.099
I'll leave it to the their ushers.

810
00:25:28.100 --> 00:25:28.969
I think they're going to bring

811
00:25:28.970 --> 00:25:29.970
Mike's.

812
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.480
So.

813
00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:39.150
My question.

814
00:25:40.340 --> 00:25:42.769
The decision making is so convoluted

815
00:25:42.770 --> 00:25:45.139
for all these individual women.

816
00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:47.059
Did you shoot it in order?

817
00:25:47.060 --> 00:25:49.039
And how did you help

818
00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:51.499
the younger actresses

819
00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:53.599
get through all everything

820
00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:55.129
they had to get through watching

821
00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:56.130
these older women?

822
00:25:58.590 --> 00:25:59.999
We did choose an order.

823
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.769
Yeah. Apart from when we went

824
00:26:01.770 --> 00:26:03.659
outside and

825
00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.639
kind of we would jump out and

826
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.079
get some stuff outside in the

827
00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:08.640
cornfields or soya fields.

828
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:12.539
But for the younger

829
00:26:12.540 --> 00:26:14.699
girls, women,

830
00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:16.739
they, um, well,

831
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.989
it's Sarah and Dee Dee and Fran

832
00:26:18.990 --> 00:26:21.839
who created a space where those

833
00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:24.689
women were completely

834
00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:26.639
supported. We had a therapist

835
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.649
on set and

836
00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:30.449
any there were moments where it was

837
00:26:30.450 --> 00:26:32.789
too much and Sarah would say, okay,

838
00:26:32.790 --> 00:26:33.749
we're going to come back when we're

839
00:26:33.750 --> 00:26:34.649
ready.

840
00:26:34.650 --> 00:26:36.749
And so there would be somebody there

841
00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:38.939
to go and talk with the girls.

842
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:41.009
And, um,

843
00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:43.079
and to be honest, I feel like I

844
00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:44.129
learned more.

845
00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:46.469
I'm learning more from them,

846
00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:47.789
and they're probably learning from

847
00:26:47.790 --> 00:26:50.699
me. Like one of the great privileges

848
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:52.799
of doing this job

849
00:26:52.800 --> 00:26:54.899
and going on the road

850
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.969
with it is hearing them speak

851
00:26:56.970 --> 00:26:58.559
and articulating things at the age

852
00:26:58.560 --> 00:27:01.379
of 17 and 18, which I would never,

853
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:03.389
ever, ever have known to say,

854
00:27:03.390 --> 00:27:05.429
to know that they can

855
00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:07.319
expect more from the world

856
00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:08.879
that they're stepping out into.

857
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.649
And before they came into this job,

858
00:27:10.650 --> 00:27:11.639
they thought they had to be good

859
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:12.449
girls.

860
00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:13.439
They thought they had to just be

861
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.579
good at their job.

862
00:27:14.580 --> 00:27:15.779
And then they came to set and they

863
00:27:15.780 --> 00:27:16.739
realized that there was more

864
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:17.969
expected of them.

865
00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:19.619
And now, in turn, they realize

866
00:27:19.620 --> 00:27:21.479
there's they can expect more

867
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.649
from the world.

868
00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:24.779
And I feel like

869
00:27:24.780 --> 00:27:26.639
if that is the future,

870
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.719
we're going to be fine.

871
00:27:29.580 --> 00:27:31.319
I mean, I actually had a follow on

872
00:27:31.320 --> 00:27:33.209
that. What was

873
00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:35.039
your experience of working

874
00:27:35.040 --> 00:27:37.049
with Judith Ivy

875
00:27:37.050 --> 00:27:39.209
and Sheila McCarthy?

876
00:27:39.210 --> 00:27:40.709
McCarthy Macartney.

877
00:27:40.710 --> 00:27:42.659
McCarthy Who

878
00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:45.339
were kind of and Fran, obviously,

879
00:27:45.340 --> 00:27:47.399
Sarah is more of your generation,

880
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.719
like working with the more

881
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.669
established generation as well.

882
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.589
Just you know,

883
00:27:54.610 --> 00:27:56.079
obviously there were many different

884
00:27:56.080 --> 00:27:57.999
generations and all of us learn from

885
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.009
each other, but also just that

886
00:28:00.010 --> 00:28:02.889
it was such an egalitarian

887
00:28:02.890 --> 00:28:04.029
equal set

888
00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:07.419
and it never felt like anybody

889
00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:08.649
had any.

890
00:28:08.650 --> 00:28:10.719
It was never so

891
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.129
there was no hierarchy.

892
00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:13.779
And that meant that, you know, you

893
00:28:13.780 --> 00:28:14.979
would be having the same I would be

894
00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:16.089
having the same conversation with

895
00:28:16.090 --> 00:28:17.799
you just as I would be with Kate is

896
00:28:17.800 --> 00:28:19.599
the younger and everyone would have

897
00:28:19.600 --> 00:28:21.339
something to offer.

898
00:28:21.340 --> 00:28:23.409
And it felt like I

899
00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:24.819
spoke to that.

900
00:28:24.820 --> 00:28:25.929
Both mothers, I'm a mother.

901
00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:26.829
I was about to do this, you know, a

902
00:28:26.830 --> 00:28:28.899
lot about how enough they continue

903
00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:30.250
to have a career and have a child.

904
00:28:31.270 --> 00:28:33.489
But that also was

905
00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:34.359
all the girls.

906
00:28:34.360 --> 00:28:35.439
We were all involved in, all the

907
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.489
conversations all the time.

908
00:28:36.490 --> 00:28:38.739
So loads

909
00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:40.689
basically. But I also don't want to

910
00:28:40.690 --> 00:28:42.519
diminish any group

911
00:28:42.520 --> 00:28:43.899
in that by saying that any

912
00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:45.729
particular, you know, everyone had

913
00:28:45.730 --> 00:28:46.839
so much to offer.

914
00:28:46.840 --> 00:28:48.459
And like Jessie said, we learned

915
00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:50.589
like the younger girls.

916
00:28:50.590 --> 00:28:52.419
I mean, it's rarer

917
00:28:52.420 --> 00:28:53.919
that you get to work generationally

918
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.119
with so many different people.

919
00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:56.679
And it was just really encouraging

920
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:57.669
that everyone was sort of on the

921
00:28:57.670 --> 00:28:58.209
same page.

922
00:28:58.210 --> 00:29:00.159
Still, and that was their first

923
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.589
job. Like, you know, those

924
00:29:02.590 --> 00:29:04.899
they'd never act as before.

925
00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:06.729
Liv Had she

926
00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:08.529
been actually, she'd made a short

927
00:29:08.530 --> 00:29:10.149
film during the pandemic.

928
00:29:10.150 --> 00:29:11.409
I can't remember the name of it.

929
00:29:11.410 --> 00:29:13.359
And Sarah sold the short and

930
00:29:13.360 --> 00:29:15.249
caster from the short that

931
00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.229
she was in and directed.

932
00:29:17.230 --> 00:29:19.149
But yeah,

933
00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:21.279
I mean, and it was like effortless,

934
00:29:21.280 --> 00:29:22.989
you know, they were just so there.

935
00:29:22.990 --> 00:29:24.519
But I do think that was because the

936
00:29:24.520 --> 00:29:26.889
space that Sarah created

937
00:29:26.890 --> 00:29:28.389
and it wasn't just the cast, it was

938
00:29:28.390 --> 00:29:30.699
like the crew were also supporters.

939
00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:32.559
You know, a lot of the crew members

940
00:29:32.560 --> 00:29:34.689
had been, you know, had trauma

941
00:29:34.690 --> 00:29:36.519
and had grown up in situations

942
00:29:36.520 --> 00:29:37.359
similar to this.

943
00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:39.219
And and they

944
00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.169
had as much support and fed

945
00:29:41.170 --> 00:29:43.089
in as much to the creative process

946
00:29:43.090 --> 00:29:44.199
as any of us there.

947
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.639
You know, and that is Sarah.

948
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.129
She's an extraordinary,

949
00:29:48.130 --> 00:29:49.989
extraordinary leader and leads

950
00:29:49.990 --> 00:29:51.939
with utter vulnerability and

951
00:29:51.940 --> 00:29:52.899
heart.

952
00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:55.119
And there should be more people

953
00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:56.120
like her.

954
00:29:57.910 --> 00:29:58.449
Yes, it.

955
00:29:58.450 --> 00:29:59.560
Was very true.

956
00:30:01.330 --> 00:30:02.769
We have time for one more audience

957
00:30:02.770 --> 00:30:04.240
question, if there is one.

958
00:30:05.910 --> 00:30:06.930
I see a hand up.

959
00:30:08.870 --> 00:30:09.919
Wait for the usher to come up,

960
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:10.920
please.

961
00:30:17.290 --> 00:30:18.609
Hi. Oh, my God.

962
00:30:18.610 --> 00:30:19.689
It's a lot. Okay.

963
00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:20.289
I'm doing.

964
00:30:20.290 --> 00:30:22.209
Great. Safe space.

965
00:30:22.210 --> 00:30:23.559
We're all in this together.

966
00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:25.089
It's like you're in the attic,

967
00:30:25.090 --> 00:30:26.090
right?

968
00:30:26.950 --> 00:30:29.139
I was really moved by the line about

969
00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:30.579
finding faith in God.

970
00:30:30.580 --> 00:30:32.139
That's separate from power and

971
00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:33.140
religion.

972
00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:35.369
And my experience and faith has

973
00:30:35.370 --> 00:30:37.769
certainly been similar, but around

974
00:30:37.770 --> 00:30:39.749
other people who believe in God.

975
00:30:39.750 --> 00:30:41.849
I found a little bit of discrepancy

976
00:30:41.850 --> 00:30:42.959
around the topic of being

977
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.239
transgender and

978
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.469
which I am.

979
00:30:46.470 --> 00:30:48.059
And when I saw the character of

980
00:30:48.060 --> 00:30:49.650
Melvin, I was like, really moved.

981
00:30:51.090 --> 00:30:51.929
And of course, he was, like,

982
00:30:51.930 --> 00:30:53.879
recognizable to me when they

983
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.809
were calling Melvin.

984
00:30:54.810 --> 00:30:56.549
She but in the end, when they

985
00:30:56.550 --> 00:30:59.339
decided to call Melvin Melvin,

986
00:30:59.340 --> 00:31:00.899
I was interested if like that was

987
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:02.639
rooted in the book or if that was a

988
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.649
decision of Sarah and

989
00:31:04.650 --> 00:31:05.650
if it was like.

990
00:31:06.760 --> 00:31:08.559
Was that to show respect to the

991
00:31:08.560 --> 00:31:10.689
actor or was it to show respect

992
00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:12.249
to that person's journey in their

993
00:31:12.250 --> 00:31:13.149
gender?

994
00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:14.559
If that was ever a discussion, I'm

995
00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:15.909
just curious.

996
00:31:15.910 --> 00:31:17.269
I mean, that's definitely a Sarah

997
00:31:17.270 --> 00:31:18.579
question.

998
00:31:18.580 --> 00:31:19.989
And she would have an incredibly

999
00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:21.879
eloquent answer to that because

1000
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.739
she does to everything I do

1001
00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:25.689
know from what we

1002
00:31:25.690 --> 00:31:27.639
have picked up in things

1003
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.399
that she said in the Q&A is that

1004
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.229
Nettie Melvin is a character in

1005
00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:34.119
the book, and that journey

1006
00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:36.249
is the same in the movie as it is in

1007
00:31:36.250 --> 00:31:38.169
the book.

1008
00:31:38.170 --> 00:31:40.749
But what Sarah was very keen to show

1009
00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:42.609
was that Melvin

1010
00:31:42.610 --> 00:31:44.469
was always Melvin,

1011
00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:47.169
and it wasn't the

1012
00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:48.849
traumatic act that happened to them

1013
00:31:48.850 --> 00:31:51.009
that made them make a decision

1014
00:31:51.010 --> 00:31:53.229
to become Melvin.

1015
00:31:53.230 --> 00:31:54.249
It was that they'd always been

1016
00:31:54.250 --> 00:31:56.079
Melvin, and suddenly the world made

1017
00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:58.149
more sense to them

1018
00:31:58.150 --> 00:31:59.349
in the situation they would now

1019
00:31:59.350 --> 00:32:00.969
living in, that they could be open

1020
00:32:00.970 --> 00:32:01.970
about that now.

1021
00:32:03.580 --> 00:32:05.739
But yeah, and August was

1022
00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:06.999
extraordinary.

1023
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:08.829
And I know that August and Sarah

1024
00:32:08.830 --> 00:32:10.629
had many, many conversations about

1025
00:32:10.630 --> 00:32:12.489
it and explored that,

1026
00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:14.469
and we were just

1027
00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:16.299
lucky enough to be there to witness

1028
00:32:16.300 --> 00:32:17.920
the outcome of those conversations.

1029
00:32:19.970 --> 00:32:21.889
So, look, I want to thank

1030
00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:24.469
you again for for being here.

1031
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:25.789
Claire and I were talking backstage

1032
00:32:25.790 --> 00:32:28.249
about how critical it is

1033
00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:30.049
to share this film, in particular

1034
00:32:30.050 --> 00:32:31.969
with audiences and to engage with

1035
00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:33.559
them. So thank you both for being

1036
00:32:33.560 --> 00:32:35.659
here. And thank you for for helping

1037
00:32:35.660 --> 00:32:37.729
us through this picture.

1038
00:32:37.730 --> 00:32:40.609
Confront rage and fear and

1039
00:32:40.610 --> 00:32:42.139
turn it into courage.

1040
00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:44.149
So thank you so much.

1041
00:32:44.150 --> 00:32:45.859
Jessie Buckley Claire Foy.

1042
00:32:45.860 --> 00:32:46.860
Thank you.

