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Well, it didn't occur to me till

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just now that you're just going to

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hear a lot from me first thing in

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the day and it's a bit much I know

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I'm going to talk to you about.

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Introduce this panel and artists.

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You know, something I'll say to you

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right off the bat is

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there's many ways you can think

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about Nfts.

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And I don't go too

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far into it. We're gonna talk about

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digital art, but I want to say

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something to me the most important

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part.

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Of what's happened is not in fact

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the growth of digital art,

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but this simple transformation,

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which I went to talk to earlier,

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which is the

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role of a distributed Trustless

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ledger.

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Here is a Babylonian food

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disbursement ledger of 1800

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B.C..

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Wow.

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That's looks like a lot of work to

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figure out where the food's going.

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But the idea

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that with with this blockchain,

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you can figure out

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who's bought what and it is

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available for everyone to see that

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transparency.

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Just to give you an analog

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corollary.

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Someone buys an artwork in a

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gallery.

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You write it down, private.

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The gallerist writes it down.

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It goes out.

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It sells.

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They write it down.

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The next gallery writes it down.

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The artist says how much they buy it

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for. The guy says, I don't know.

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He's out of the planning.

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I ask.

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Yeah.

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And that's and there's a ledger, you

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know, we keep track of things and

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we'll write it down. But it's all

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distributed behind doors in

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every different place. You got the

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idea, right?

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What this allows is that the sale

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happens online.

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Everybody sees it.

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The money spits out.

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Why is that important?

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That is a fundamental economic

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transformation.

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That's what's actually completely

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radical, what's happening in this

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space. I only say that because I

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talked about earlier about the

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artists rights, but a lot

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of the conversation on Nfts is about

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esthetics, about

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digital art.

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But the profound ship shift

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is actually in this.

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And the other part of this is what

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and if teased the nonfungible

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nature of this.

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There's an essay.

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By Walter Benjamin famously

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called Art in the Age of Mechanical

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Reproduction, where he talks about

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what will happen to art when you can

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actually mass produce it.

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Thus, you know, foregrounding the

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work that would come with Warhol

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where you make prints and you

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thought, oh my gosh, if you can make

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it, you know, back in the day they'd

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say, If you can make a photograph,

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photographs can't be art because you

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can make so many of them.

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You know, all the conversations, the

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NFT of the same as photographed

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photography early on.

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It wasn't till recently MoMA had a

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photography department

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just just to kind of get your head

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around that because everyone

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said, if you can copy it many times,

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how do you build scarcity?

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And then they were like, Well,

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you'll come up with this thing called

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additions.

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So they'll be signed ten of them,

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right? Well, what the Nonfungible

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token offers is the ability to

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produce one of a kinds

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in the Internet.

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I swear to God, when I heard one of

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a kind images, I go,

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That's the art world.

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Ever noticed what's worth a lot of

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money in the art world?

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Does anyone know what's worth the

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most money? What medium?

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What is it?

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Painting.

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Why is painting so important to the

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art world?

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One of a kind.

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Hangs on the wall.

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I'm just saying that it took me a

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long time. I'm very dumb.

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I was like, Why is this painting

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thing so important to people?

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Why is it worth so much more money

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than my friend's performance art

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piece?

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My friend, there was a performer to

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tell me that in grad school when you

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got into performance, they're like,

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That's awesome.

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You'll never make any money.

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And the performance arts like

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painters, that's dead.

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The parents like, is it?

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I'll just keep painting.

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And then there's nothing like my

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paintings a lot more than your

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performance art piece.

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That's because it's an economy and

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the economy is real.

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And the nonfungible token thing part

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of this is absolutely profound.

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Of course, there's a vast

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history of digital art.

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So much it's ridiculous for me to

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talk about.

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I mean, here we are, experiments in

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art technology, 1967.

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This is a group produced between

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engineers Rauschenberg

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and Robert Wilson.

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Did person to person contacts

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between artists and engineers making

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a formal process of collaboration.

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Here is what's considered the first

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digital artwork.

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I mean, I think it's crazy.

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It was a nude fucking Hey man,

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patriarchy never goes away.

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Computer Nude Studies in perception

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one studies the perception

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4 million.

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The most widely circulated early

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artwork made using a computer.

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Look at that thing that's back when

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you had to, like, spend four days

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for something to print out. And

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you're you're like, Oh, my God, I

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finally got some porn.

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This is Quantum.

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Kevin McCoy. This is what's

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considered the first NFT.

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Here it is. 2014 idea to use

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blockchain technology creating

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indelible provenance and ownership

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of digital images of this game.

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Quantum first of ever be recorded in

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this way.

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Great artist.

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In 2017,

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Cryptopunks came out.

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Cryptopunks launched a fixed set of

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10,000 items in mid 2017.

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So funny.

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In crypto land, 2017 is like

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total O.G..

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You were there and became one of

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the first inspirations for the MRC

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721 standard, the I.R.S.

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721 Standard That is a protocol,

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smart contract protocol.

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Remember they were talking about the

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contract, the token.

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So this is a contract.

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And what's important to me about

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this, because for those late to the

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game, you have to bear in mind this.

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Imagine you're on the ground floor

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of Nfts and someone

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puts these out there, these guys,

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and there's 10,000 affixed and

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they start selling. These are

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profile pictures like you buy one

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and that becomes your profile

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picture. You got it.

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Simple. Seem silly enough.

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Sweet.

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What? What has become known

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is these things are worth gobs of

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cash at the start. Millions of

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dollars, each one of them.

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But you didn't know that at the

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time.

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It's not like this started that way.

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This. This the crypto punks thing

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all of a sudden demonstrate to

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people there is a vast

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interest on the Internet

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of people having images that

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represent them.

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And because they're one of a kind.

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Their value grows up a

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lot.

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Scarcity. It's almost like digital

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arts. And finding scarcity.

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And the basic economic principles.

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So profile pictures in a tease.

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The abbreviation refers to proper

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use of these entities as little

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profile pictures of social media

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sites. Oh, this is Moon Birds.

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I don't know if you seen that new

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puppy project.

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So here's CryptoKitties by a group

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and you start seeing and we're now

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in the world of video games and art

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are very much related.

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You know, video games surpassed film

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and television and music as

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the number one cultural influence in

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the world.

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So, you know, I'm like, I'm going

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to long. I just thinking, you know,

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when the pandemic came, my friend

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Zain said to me, he goes, think of

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the pandemic.

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As a global boot camp for the

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Internet.

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Like everyone's going to get online

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and everyone's going to be familiar

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with it. And it's almost like all of

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this stuff is going to come, but it

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just sped up.

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Right. And who was in the driver's

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seat? The video game generation.

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They've all been online.

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They all understand scarcity, all of

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a sudden, avatars, a whole design

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thing. Oh, got it.

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CryptoKitties was the first game to

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be built on the Ethereum network.

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I mentioned that players by trade

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and Breguet,

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but due to the game's population,

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highlight several issues with

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healthier and more, especially when

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it comes to scaling.

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That said, these basic

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tricks that we're learning, they're

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the fundamental building blocks of

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what becomes nfts, and

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they seem silly, but they're basic

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experiments that take off.

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And I think it's important to

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appreciate what they do.

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And their silly looks, I think,

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is actually even more cool

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because they look so dumb

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and the importance of them so

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radically important.

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Mert Pok So this is the project I

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mentioned. This happened not so long

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ago. It the money

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$91 million.

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But this is the way it worked.

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It was sold as an open condition.

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Bias to purchase any number of

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tokens, starting with the unit price

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of $575, which

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increased by $25

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every 6 hours.

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By the end, the tokens sold for

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a total of $91.8 million.

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And I forget the number.

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Yeah, there was 28,983

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people bought that project.

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Just can you imagine going to a

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physical gallery and having that

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project?

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Hold on.

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We got 20,000 people coming by

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today. Byers is

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there. Gallagher says 20,000.

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Byers

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is not even exist.

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Do we understand what it means to

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have 28,000 people by

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a singular artwork?

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This is iax shells, although

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it's a yard a.k.a.

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IIRC shells.

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By the way, I figured out my name

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could be an eight zero

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nado.

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Yo, I'm going to rebrand.

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So more than 15 years ago.

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Tor Onion Services were brought to

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digital life and ecosystem for

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onions and blue. Me ever since.

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This is a project where they

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made one of a kind digital artwork,

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a generative art piece derived using

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private key, the very first onion

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service. Oh, let's see it in work.

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Let's see it.

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I think these are dope.

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Okay. Thought someone's telling me

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to move along. Okay.

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Here we go.

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This is generative art.

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I often.

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This is a kind of a genre in digital

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art that you may be familiar with.

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I sometimes wonder, do you mean

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art made on a computer?

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When you say generative art.

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But certainly what it is, you know,

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some people credit Sol Lewitt as

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being the first generative artist.

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And so much as it's a rule system

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or a program that produces itself.

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This is an L.A.

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artist you might know name or freak

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out at all.

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Whoa.

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Trippy.

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That's awesome. Okay. And then

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there's a thing called on chain art,

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another genre.

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And this is the actual art that

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lives on the blockchain itself.

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It's most of this art

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is pointed to from the blockchain.

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It lives on a other service, so

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the actual contract points to it.

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But some art actually lives on

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the blockchain is the code on the

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blockchain, and thus the art

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looks like tech nerd art.

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It's like code.

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I mean, this looks like code art,

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but it's on the blockchain.

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So this is

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implemented with metadata and smart

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contract both existing on the

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blockchain. Here's some examples of

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that. And then of course I got to

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shill finally for Art World Project

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I'm involved in.

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This is a project by the artist

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Waleed Rau that we're launching

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with. It's called Festival of

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Gratitude.

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It is a series of birthday cakes for

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dictators, sheikhs, shakers, CEOs

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and goats.

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If the 20th century started as the

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era of the dictator with World War

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One giving birth to Dada, the

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early 21st century is no exception,

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with the age of the dictator

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being very much upon us.

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Whether it's someone

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who's being investigated right now

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in the United States government,

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but also across the world, we have

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Erdogan, we have Modi,

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we have Bolsonaro.

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We have a world where the Democrat

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and of course, here we're

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celebrating the birthday, his 69th

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birthday is coming up. Vladimir

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Putin,

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which this is a birthday cake for

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him.

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And then this.

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We will also have available for a

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large scale these slices

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with his visage.

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And I think we're going to have an

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allow list for everybody.

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So if you want to get pre-purchase

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on that anyways, I'm shilling I'm

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grossly shilling for this project.

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But all that said and done, I want

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to say this ultimate the most

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important thing. And then we have

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artists all present their projects

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and they're phenomenal.

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A digital art has been around

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a long time that is not new,

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and they were a secondary step

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cousin to the art world because I

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think because they didn't have an

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economy the way nonfungible tokens

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allows and painting always

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made more. And I always thought my

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friends that made great digital art

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eventually got exhausted by not

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getting love from the art world, and

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they went off and worked at Google.

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And then I from my friend,

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my friend Jonah was a Peretti

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was an intern at this place, IBM,

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and then he started BuzzFeed.

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And I was like, Jonah's

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like, I'm not getting in.

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I'm not getting any love being an

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anarchist artist.

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No one cares about digital art.

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I'm going to go start BuzzFeed.

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All right. Well, that worked out.

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But then but I want to say digital

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art. There's so many artists doing

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so many things that are interesting.

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It's an extraordinarily important

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thing. So let's keep the love for

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artists. And with that said, let's

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bring out our first artist.

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I believe it's Glenn Kaino.

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Give it up for Glenn.

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I think if he's coming.

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Here is a quick one.

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Hey. Hello.

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Hello. Los Angeles.

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Yeah. Early Saturday.

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Awesome.

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Great to be here.

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That's myself. I thinking that don't

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s there and Claudia and the hammer

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and everyone for being here.

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You know, strange times.

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Interesting times.

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I'm going to take you through one of

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my projects just by

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way of background.

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My my studio practice is very

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heterogeneous. It's always, though

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idea driven.

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And the ideas

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take me through sometimes different,

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complicated, circuitous stories.

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And this one that I'll talk about

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today has led to

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a large scale NFT project

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that we can use as a basis for

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conversation about a few other

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things. But and then, you

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know, just by way of other quick

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background, you know, in that

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meandering of my career, I have

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had sort of interesting

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experiences like at the forefront

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of different technologies.

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I was the chief creative officer of

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a thing called Napster, which is

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like a peer to peer music service.

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And I was able to help

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take that to be make it legal.

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And we made the first streaming

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service ever.

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And so it's been very interesting to

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watch and track some

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of the parallels between

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distributed art making with

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distributed music and a few

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other things that we can talk about

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later as well. But this project is

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called Pass the Baton.

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But if you don't mind, I'm going to

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segway away from digital into highly

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analog, away from the future, into

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the past, talk about

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stories in 5 minutes, and then it'll

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segway and you'll see how my brain

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works and how we connect this all

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together.

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And so is anyone familiar with

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this image.

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So this is an image of Tommie Smith,

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John Carlos and Peter Norman.

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In 1968, after winning

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the gold in the

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200 men's at the Mexico City

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Olympics, Tommie

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performed this salute.

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I had seen this first when I was in

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high school, and I impacted me so

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much as an image of courage and

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sacrifice that I actually had a four

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by five

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small image of it, black and white,

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just like this, taped to the corner

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of my iMac in my studio.

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And one day, about ten years ago,

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a friend of mine walked into the

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studio, pointed out, and he said,

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Oh, Coach Smith, you want a medium?

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And I was like, Look, to be totally

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transparent and Tommy knows this.

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If you're watching on stream, I

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didn't know if he was alive.

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I didn't know anything about him at

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that time. I just knew what I

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thought the image meant to me.

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And but I know that when someone

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says, Hey, Coach Smith, like coach,

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coach is only the name.

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You tell someone who you call

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someone who has been your coach.

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And so I was like, of course I want

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to meet him. And my friend walked to

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the corner of the studio and he

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starts texting somebody and he comes

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back a few minutes later because

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they want to meet you. And I'm like,

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Get out of town.

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I had no idea. So I said,

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Where do they live?

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Turns out they live in Atlanta.

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So I Expedia two tickets right then.

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And three days later I'm at his door

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in Atlanta and he shakes my hand and

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he sits me on the couch like y'all,

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and he starts playing the race that

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he won for me

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on a VHS tape, like

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step by step, narrating everything

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he's thinking, right?

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And on like an hour on the hour,

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his wife, DeLoach, who's also at the

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time and still is his manager now,

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my good friend and also I might

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say I was watching as well.

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She's also the mother of Montell

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Jordan. This is how we do it.

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And that's how we did it.

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Exactly right.

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So I'm sitting there in the house of

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Tommie Smith and this is how we do

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it. And I'm watching the race and

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I'm getting narrated.

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And an hour on the hour, his wife to

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Lois says, Tommy, shut up, Glenn,

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why are you here?

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Tommy, we'll talk all night long if

567
00:16:42.820 --> 00:16:43.839
you let him. But we need to know why

568
00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:44.889
you're here.

569
00:16:44.890 --> 00:16:46.689
I was like, Look, I'm a conceptual

570
00:16:46.690 --> 00:16:48.189
artist and I'm not here to sell you

571
00:16:48.190 --> 00:16:49.239
anything. I don't I don't actually

572
00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:50.139
have an idea.

573
00:16:50.140 --> 00:16:52.509
I have an observation, if I may.

574
00:16:52.510 --> 00:16:53.349
And they say, What's that?

575
00:16:53.350 --> 00:16:54.789
I say, Well, I was born after that

576
00:16:54.790 --> 00:16:56.019
happened. So for me it's always been

577
00:16:56.020 --> 00:16:57.819
an image since I've been a symbol.

578
00:16:57.820 --> 00:16:59.259
But for you it's highly personal.

579
00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:00.549
You shook my hand with that hand.

580
00:17:00.550 --> 00:17:02.199
You brush your teeth with that has

581
00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:03.429
you drive with the hand.

582
00:17:03.430 --> 00:17:04.838
But the rest of us, most of us, we

583
00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.608
just know that fist up in the air.

584
00:17:06.609 --> 00:17:07.568
And so I say, what if we could

585
00:17:07.569 --> 00:17:09.549
collaborate on it on a

586
00:17:09.550 --> 00:17:11.348
on a project of some sort that

587
00:17:11.349 --> 00:17:12.759
allows you to be a witness for this

588
00:17:12.760 --> 00:17:14.739
rich history that you've created

589
00:17:14.740 --> 00:17:16.689
for all of us to learn from.

590
00:17:16.690 --> 00:17:17.858
And at that point, we're all getting

591
00:17:17.859 --> 00:17:19.389
emotional, he says. What's next?

592
00:17:19.390 --> 00:17:20.348
And I said, You come to L.A.

593
00:17:20.349 --> 00:17:22.149
and I'll take the arm off your body.

594
00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:23.139
And he was like, What is this

595
00:17:23.140 --> 00:17:24.140
voodoo?

596
00:17:24.579 --> 00:17:25.509
I'm going to make a cast. If I'm a

597
00:17:25.510 --> 00:17:26.889
sculptor, I'll make a cast.

598
00:17:26.890 --> 00:17:29.529
And so so we actually took him

599
00:17:29.530 --> 00:17:31.029
to a facility to make a cast of his

600
00:17:31.030 --> 00:17:32.109
arm.

601
00:17:32.110 --> 00:17:34.059
And this is like an old photo now.

602
00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:36.279
And I'll say that when the cast

603
00:17:36.280 --> 00:17:38.019
came off, this is just a small,

604
00:17:39.070 --> 00:17:40.359
amazing bit of storytelling in

605
00:17:40.360 --> 00:17:42.039
history. When the cast came off, he

606
00:17:42.040 --> 00:17:43.899
pointed out that little dark spot

607
00:17:43.900 --> 00:17:45.339
you see by his glove, like below his

608
00:17:45.340 --> 00:17:48.009
love has a dark spot on his arm.

609
00:17:48.010 --> 00:17:48.939
He pointed that and he says, You

610
00:17:48.940 --> 00:17:50.289
know what that is? And I said, What

611
00:17:50.290 --> 00:17:51.399
is that, sir?

612
00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.229
He says, That's a classic muscle.

613
00:17:53.230 --> 00:17:54.219
I said, What do you mean? He says,

614
00:17:54.220 --> 00:17:55.419
You only get that muscle from

615
00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:56.649
picking cotton.

616
00:17:56.650 --> 00:17:58.659
So when I'm up on that stage, I flex

617
00:17:58.660 --> 00:18:00.549
it to let everyone know that

618
00:18:00.550 --> 00:18:01.659
even if you pick cotton, you're up

619
00:18:01.660 --> 00:18:02.660
here with me.

620
00:18:03.310 --> 00:18:05.259
At that point, I obviously

621
00:18:05.260 --> 00:18:06.260
was very moved.

622
00:18:07.570 --> 00:18:08.439
I asked him if we could actually

623
00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.479
record and film all of our work

624
00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:11.589
and interaction together as we have

625
00:18:11.590 --> 00:18:13.269
done for ten years.

626
00:18:13.270 --> 00:18:14.379
And it's been I'll show you some

627
00:18:14.380 --> 00:18:16.419
clips of that. But a few months

628
00:18:16.420 --> 00:18:17.739
later, maybe nine months or a year

629
00:18:17.740 --> 00:18:19.599
later, we debuted this

630
00:18:19.600 --> 00:18:22.119
artwork, which

631
00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:24.129
is a 100 foot long bridge

632
00:18:24.130 --> 00:18:25.959
made out of 201 meter arm

633
00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.399
lengths of Tommie Smith's arm

634
00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:30.219
at a monument in

635
00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:31.920
an exhibition in D.C..

636
00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:34.149
And I'm happy to say it has just

637
00:18:34.150 --> 00:18:35.799
been acquired by the Smithsonian

638
00:18:35.800 --> 00:18:37.079
Museum of American Art as the center

639
00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:38.199
of southern hand.

640
00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.469
So great.

641
00:18:39.470 --> 00:18:41.349
And but I obviously didn't know

642
00:18:41.350 --> 00:18:43.029
this when when when we were when we

643
00:18:43.030 --> 00:18:44.679
were doing this. And so I was like,

644
00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:45.680
oh, man. Like

645
00:18:46.780 --> 00:18:48.249
I got to, you know, we got to meet

646
00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:49.839
President Obama. This is like, you

647
00:18:49.840 --> 00:18:50.679
know, like 2015.

648
00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:52.539
And I was like, I want

649
00:18:52.540 --> 00:18:54.099
to point this bridge at the White

650
00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:55.959
House just as a karmic I'm going

651
00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:57.939
to put it out into the ether that

652
00:18:57.940 --> 00:18:58.940
that's going to happen

653
00:19:00.070 --> 00:19:00.849
because it was really funny.

654
00:19:00.850 --> 00:19:02.799
Like what he did was

655
00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:04.129
he had it go like this.

656
00:19:04.130 --> 00:19:06.129
He had a bunch of wish

657
00:19:06.130 --> 00:19:08.439
list items that say things that were

658
00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.719
gaps in history that have yet to be

659
00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:12.039
connected.

660
00:19:12.040 --> 00:19:14.079
And so so we had gone on

661
00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:15.579
a ten year I have now been on a ten

662
00:19:15.580 --> 00:19:17.529
year journey with

663
00:19:17.530 --> 00:19:19.449
him to do things like I

664
00:19:19.450 --> 00:19:20.799
was able to he was never been on the

665
00:19:20.800 --> 00:19:22.749
cover of the Wheaties, Wheaties box.

666
00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:23.709
And so this is not an actually an

667
00:19:23.710 --> 00:19:25.749
artistic representation of we

668
00:19:25.750 --> 00:19:27.009
actually call the CEO Wheaties.

669
00:19:27.010 --> 00:19:27.969
I said, get on the right side of

670
00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:28.779
history.

671
00:19:28.780 --> 00:19:30.639
And 18

672
00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.499
months later we able to release a

673
00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:34.179
Wheaties box with Tommy's image on

674
00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:35.589
it. And we got 1.4 billion

675
00:19:35.590 --> 00:19:36.909
impressions.

676
00:19:36.910 --> 00:19:39.699
It was the most popular, most

677
00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:41.529
seen Wheaties box in history.

678
00:19:41.530 --> 00:19:43.269
We did a headphone cup collaboration

679
00:19:43.270 --> 00:19:45.699
with the company Beats headphones,

680
00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:46.779
and we were able to bring Tommy

681
00:19:46.780 --> 00:19:48.849
Story to 4.5 billion

682
00:19:48.850 --> 00:19:50.529
people through the course of the

683
00:19:50.530 --> 00:19:52.809
headphone collab. And LeBron James

684
00:19:52.810 --> 00:19:54.369
was at three times the NBA finals.

685
00:19:54.370 --> 00:19:55.389
And I'll tell you, on the inside,

686
00:19:55.390 --> 00:19:56.709
it's a secret thing that the all

687
00:19:56.710 --> 00:19:57.579
that no. One I know that we're

688
00:19:57.580 --> 00:19:58.899
public, but it's like a secret for

689
00:19:58.900 --> 00:19:59.900
all of us.

690
00:20:00.610 --> 00:20:01.719
Is that on the inside?

691
00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:02.949
When they had me put my name on it,

692
00:20:02.950 --> 00:20:05.169
I made the L in Glen a Lakers

693
00:20:05.170 --> 00:20:07.149
L just so that every

694
00:20:07.150 --> 00:20:08.199
team that because we gifted it to

695
00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.089
everyone in the NBA, all the players

696
00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:11.649
and all the all the opposing

697
00:20:11.650 --> 00:20:13.449
teammates had a Lakers l in their

698
00:20:13.450 --> 00:20:15.339
ear. And it is not

699
00:20:15.340 --> 00:20:16.689
coincidental that we won the

700
00:20:16.690 --> 00:20:18.189
championship that year.

701
00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:19.689
I'm just saying, when you're getting

702
00:20:19.690 --> 00:20:20.949
counterprogramming every day, when

703
00:20:20.950 --> 00:20:22.909
you're when you're warm ups, it's

704
00:20:22.910 --> 00:20:24.099
it's it's meaningful.

705
00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:27.039
And so so

706
00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:28.869
we then documented all of

707
00:20:28.870 --> 00:20:31.299
our work together in a film

708
00:20:31.300 --> 00:20:33.039
called With John Arms that that we

709
00:20:33.040 --> 00:20:34.389
were graciously nominated for an

710
00:20:34.390 --> 00:20:36.129
Emmy and debuted at Tribeca Film

711
00:20:36.130 --> 00:20:38.139
Festival. And a lot of these stories

712
00:20:38.140 --> 00:20:39.249
were in it. And I'll play you the

713
00:20:39.250 --> 00:20:40.250
quick trailer for it.

714
00:20:42.820 --> 00:20:45.099
1968 black athletes

715
00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:48.099
were expected to perform

716
00:20:48.100 --> 00:20:49.100
and shut up.

717
00:20:51.710 --> 00:20:53.569
We were dealing with racism.

718
00:20:53.570 --> 00:20:56.329
We were dealing with not having

719
00:20:56.330 --> 00:20:57.649
a voice.

720
00:20:57.650 --> 00:20:59.539
Running became my

721
00:20:59.540 --> 00:21:00.540
voice.

722
00:21:03.050 --> 00:21:04.939
I knew something had to be done.

723
00:21:04.940 --> 00:21:07.159
My next move would be immortalized

724
00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:08.160
in history.

725
00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:14.239
He gave us all hope.

726
00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:15.889
That, too, can do something.

727
00:21:15.890 --> 00:21:17.589
That's a hero.

728
00:21:17.590 --> 00:21:19.179
Is patriotism, protesting.

729
00:21:19.180 --> 00:21:20.859
Oppression of patriotism, blind

730
00:21:20.860 --> 00:21:22.329
allegiance, despite everything.

731
00:21:23.370 --> 00:21:24.419
It's a whole different thing to

732
00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:26.249
square up with white supremacy.

733
00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:28.289
Change doesn't happen in America

734
00:21:28.290 --> 00:21:29.669
without laws.

735
00:21:29.670 --> 00:21:31.499
After that Olympics,

736
00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:33.599
he was ostracized from society.

737
00:21:36.080 --> 00:21:38.449
When I return home, the only

738
00:21:38.450 --> 00:21:40.639
job I could get

739
00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.069
was washing cars.

740
00:21:43.070 --> 00:21:45.049
One day, a car pulled

741
00:21:45.050 --> 00:21:45.949
up.

742
00:21:45.950 --> 00:21:47.809
They were FBI agents.

743
00:21:47.810 --> 00:21:49.219
Tommy was a victim of a fear of

744
00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:50.719
radical thought.

745
00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:52.519
Tommy's dreams had to be altered

746
00:21:52.520 --> 00:21:55.009
because of that gesture.

747
00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:57.529
It destroyed what I love

748
00:21:57.530 --> 00:22:00.269
running in my family.

749
00:22:00.270 --> 00:22:01.270
I hit rock bottom.

750
00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.259
I needed someone

751
00:22:05.260 --> 00:22:06.339
to hold a hand out.

752
00:22:07.650 --> 00:22:09.839
I did not recognize

753
00:22:09.840 --> 00:22:10.840
him.

754
00:22:11.390 --> 00:22:12.439
It has to be a change.

755
00:22:16.310 --> 00:22:18.709
Somehow a Japanese-American artist

756
00:22:18.710 --> 00:22:20.179
became one of the captains of Tommie

757
00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:21.180
Smith's legacy team.

758
00:22:22.490 --> 00:22:24.349
Tommy Salute made such an impact on

759
00:22:24.350 --> 00:22:25.999
me that I had to collaborate on a

760
00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.679
project with him.

761
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.269
I said, What if we could make a cast

762
00:22:29.270 --> 00:22:30.499
of your arm and then we'll figure

763
00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:31.500
out what to make?

764
00:22:32.810 --> 00:22:34.189
I thought it was admirable for him

765
00:22:34.190 --> 00:22:35.809
coming and doing this.

766
00:22:35.810 --> 00:22:37.879
He took a stand with me

767
00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:39.529
to make the change.

768
00:22:39.530 --> 00:22:41.389
I woke up.

769
00:22:41.390 --> 00:22:42.049
I came.

770
00:22:42.050 --> 00:22:44.119
Sitting on

771
00:22:44.120 --> 00:22:45.859
my projects with Tommy allows you to

772
00:22:45.860 --> 00:22:47.549
be a witness for this rich history

773
00:22:47.550 --> 00:22:49.339
of the castle you created.

774
00:22:49.340 --> 00:22:51.409
That history is happening

775
00:22:51.410 --> 00:22:52.399
right now.

776
00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.709
I will not let ourselves neglect

777
00:22:54.710 --> 00:22:55.829
the next Tommy Smith.

778
00:22:57.170 --> 00:22:58.789
The work that Glen and Tommy have

779
00:22:58.790 --> 00:23:00.529
done is brotherhood.

780
00:23:00.530 --> 00:23:02.419
It doesn't matter who you are.

781
00:23:02.420 --> 00:23:04.469
We're all in this together.

782
00:23:04.470 --> 00:23:06.599
For 50 years, people

783
00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:08.670
have been putting words in my mouth.

784
00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:12.959
That Smith pride

785
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.849
in midstream.

786
00:23:14.850 --> 00:23:16.919
It means togetherness for.

787
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.359
One. As a nation.

788
00:23:20.660 --> 00:23:22.489
Maybe bring

789
00:23:24.890 --> 00:23:25.890
up.

790
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:31.649
It's available on Starz and Apple TV

791
00:23:31.650 --> 00:23:33.179
if you want to go. But now.

792
00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:35.069
So. So yeah.

793
00:23:35.070 --> 00:23:36.809
So, yes.

794
00:23:36.810 --> 00:23:38.969
So we made this film and got,

795
00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:41.429
you know, went around the country

796
00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:43.139
doing workshops with kids and

797
00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:45.029
talking about stuff. And, you

798
00:23:45.030 --> 00:23:47.579
know, as far as one of the

799
00:23:47.580 --> 00:23:49.169
requests and the conversations that

800
00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:51.429
really led into the NFT project

801
00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:53.039
or the first part of that story was

802
00:23:53.040 --> 00:23:54.569
when we first sat down, you know,

803
00:23:54.570 --> 00:23:55.679
this before the Wheaties box and

804
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.299
before the Beats headphones day.

805
00:23:57.300 --> 00:23:59.399
Lois, Tommy's wife, said to me,

806
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.259
You know, you don't have

807
00:24:01.260 --> 00:24:02.159
any goals for this partnership, but

808
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.779
we have three goals, so that's

809
00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:04.739
great. What are they? They said,

810
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:06.959
one, we want to meet Oprah,

811
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.579
you know, for our part.

812
00:24:08.580 --> 00:24:10.319
And they said, two, we want to be in

813
00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:11.320
the Smithsonian.

814
00:24:12.300 --> 00:24:13.859
And three, we want to be the

815
00:24:13.860 --> 00:24:15.239
president. And this is just so we're

816
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:16.979
clear, President Obama.

817
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.839
And so this is this is how long we

818
00:24:18.840 --> 00:24:19.979
will work together. And so I was

819
00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:21.299
like, okay, great. And it just so

820
00:24:21.300 --> 00:24:23.069
happens that I have in my past spent

821
00:24:23.070 --> 00:24:24.089
a lot of time working also with

822
00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:25.709
Oprah Winfrey. And I had seen her

823
00:24:25.710 --> 00:24:26.939
like after I got that request from

824
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:27.959
them, I saw them.

825
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.879
I saw Oprah a few weeks later

826
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:30.479
and I said, oh.

827
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:31.619
My God, you know, I'm.

828
00:24:31.620 --> 00:24:32.669
Working with Tommie Smith and

829
00:24:32.670 --> 00:24:33.509
Oprah's so great.

830
00:24:33.510 --> 00:24:34.469
She was like Tommie Smith.

831
00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:35.429
Tommie Smith, like, you know,

832
00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:37.439
exactly like she does the time.

833
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:38.909
And so I said I said she would love

834
00:24:38.910 --> 00:24:39.779
to meet you.

835
00:24:39.780 --> 00:24:41.609
And she said, sure,

836
00:24:41.610 --> 00:24:42.489
I'll meet him tomorrow morning.

837
00:24:42.490 --> 00:24:43.829
And I was like, I didn't you know, I

838
00:24:43.830 --> 00:24:44.609
didn't expect that.

839
00:24:44.610 --> 00:24:46.619
And so I booked you tickets

840
00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:47.909
again on my phone, just like I did

841
00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:49.919
before for Tommy Delta,

842
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.179
you know? And I was like, you know,

843
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:52.559
Hey, Tommy, I got you a meeting with

844
00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:54.419
Oprah. And it's tomorrow morning at

845
00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:57.209
9:00, you know, and he was his son.

846
00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:58.589
I'm too old to jump on a plane right

847
00:24:58.590 --> 00:24:59.489
now to go meet it. We'll do it some

848
00:24:59.490 --> 00:25:01.439
other time. And I was like,

849
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.329
look, you know, look, if you

850
00:25:03.330 --> 00:25:05.309
all corner me outside at

851
00:25:05.310 --> 00:25:07.379
a Christian and you ask

852
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:08.729
me to do three impossible things and

853
00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:10.619
I do the first one and you

854
00:25:10.620 --> 00:25:12.269
pass, I kind of think I'm off the

855
00:25:12.270 --> 00:25:13.049
hook for all three. Right?

856
00:25:13.050 --> 00:25:13.979
That's just the whole that's like

857
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:14.999
the rule.

858
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.079
Apparently not so much, though,

859
00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:17.999
because February the year later of

860
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.000
2016,

861
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.209
the was called me up, she says, I

862
00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:22.139
just want to remind you, you're on

863
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:23.069
the clock.

864
00:25:23.070 --> 00:25:24.119
And I said, I said, What does that

865
00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:24.899
mean? I don't know what that means.

866
00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:25.799
Like fantasy basketball.

867
00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:26.800
What does that mean for like

868
00:25:27.630 --> 00:25:28.859
for for you?

869
00:25:28.860 --> 00:25:29.789
And she said, we want to meet the

870
00:25:29.790 --> 00:25:32.519
president, not an ex-president.

871
00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:34.199
And I was like, Oh, that's a gantlet

872
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.549
throw down or a glove.

873
00:25:35.550 --> 00:25:37.409
And so so I called everyone,

874
00:25:37.410 --> 00:25:38.819
all the curators that I know, anyone

875
00:25:38.820 --> 00:25:39.989
that knew President Obama, I knew I

876
00:25:39.990 --> 00:25:40.799
know a couple of his really good

877
00:25:40.800 --> 00:25:42.179
friends. I called up people and I

878
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:43.169
the answer I got was everything from

879
00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:44.999
no to hell no, you know,

880
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.139
and then to like one time they were

881
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.189
like, Oh, we'll get you in in the

882
00:25:47.190 --> 00:25:48.749
fall. And I'm like, I hope he's

883
00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:51.099
campaigning for someone in the fall.

884
00:25:51.100 --> 00:25:52.979
And then they finally say, Well, if

885
00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:54.449
you can come to D.C.

886
00:25:54.450 --> 00:25:57.239
on official business and,

887
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.189
you know, we can maybe, you know, up

888
00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:00.179
your security clearance and see if

889
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:01.169
we can get you and tell the

890
00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:02.189
president you're there. And they

891
00:26:02.190 --> 00:26:03.539
didn't know that I had just met

892
00:26:04.590 --> 00:26:06.419
Lonnie Bunch, and he's on the

893
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:08.279
film. And Lonnie,

894
00:26:08.280 --> 00:26:09.689
most notably, did not have yet

895
00:26:09.690 --> 00:26:11.549
anything for his new museum

896
00:26:11.550 --> 00:26:12.989
from Tommie Smith.

897
00:26:12.990 --> 00:26:14.129
And this is before the artwork was

898
00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:15.719
even, you know, a thing.

899
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:17.639
And so and so and

900
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.499
so what we did was we

901
00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:23.549
got to DC, you know, with Tommy,

902
00:26:23.550 --> 00:26:25.259
and then the president invited us in

903
00:26:25.260 --> 00:26:27.119
and on the way into it to the Oval

904
00:26:27.120 --> 00:26:28.499
Office, I had made this drawing for

905
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:30.379
President Obama of a of a of

906
00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:32.849
a Tommie actually passing a baton

907
00:26:32.850 --> 00:26:34.619
to the fourth runner and the first

908
00:26:34.620 --> 00:26:35.880
time set a world record race.

909
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:39.059
And we

910
00:26:39.060 --> 00:26:39.869
gave it to President Obama. And on

911
00:26:39.870 --> 00:26:40.870
the back,

912
00:26:42.630 --> 00:26:44.069
Tommie wrote this inscription, I can

913
00:26:44.070 --> 00:26:45.389
only imagine the link, the passage,

914
00:26:45.390 --> 00:26:46.679
but most importantly, the baton has

915
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:47.609
not been dropped.

916
00:26:47.610 --> 00:26:48.780
Congrats on The Magnificent Eight.

917
00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:51.509
And then and then this is like my

918
00:26:51.510 --> 00:26:53.049
little by little humblebrag photo,

919
00:26:53.050 --> 00:26:54.389
though, which is there's four people

920
00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:55.859
smiling, not five, you know.

921
00:26:55.860 --> 00:26:57.149
And that's because, like, when I saw

922
00:26:57.150 --> 00:26:58.049
the photographer out there, I

923
00:26:58.050 --> 00:26:58.859
thought it was a six person. I'm

924
00:26:58.860 --> 00:26:59.969
trying to get Tommy's down where I'm

925
00:26:59.970 --> 00:27:01.109
standing, you know?

926
00:27:01.110 --> 00:27:02.009
But President Obama was like

927
00:27:02.010 --> 00:27:03.329
because, like Glenn Simon took a

928
00:27:03.330 --> 00:27:05.369
photo and I was like I was like, oh,

929
00:27:05.370 --> 00:27:06.539
but I didn't practice what to do.

930
00:27:06.540 --> 00:27:08.069
And she sees me juggling to go

931
00:27:08.070 --> 00:27:09.209
around. He goes, he goes.

932
00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:10.109
From the moment y'all walked in

933
00:27:10.110 --> 00:27:11.009
here, it's been me, Tommy, me,

934
00:27:11.010 --> 00:27:12.269
Tommy. C'mere, birthday boy.

935
00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:13.559
And it was hand like this.

936
00:27:13.560 --> 00:27:14.549
And I don't know how to stand with

937
00:27:14.550 --> 00:27:16.289
the president is like B-Boy style.

938
00:27:16.290 --> 00:27:17.429
What are we doing? And so.

939
00:27:17.430 --> 00:27:19.229
So my hand, like, accidentally comes

940
00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:20.699
in and I'm actually you don't see my

941
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:22.619
hand because it's in his jacket

942
00:27:22.620 --> 00:27:24.419
and I'm giving him a squeeze.

943
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:25.349
And that's what that is.

944
00:27:25.350 --> 00:27:26.350
Right.

945
00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:28.409
But but this whole time, just to

946
00:27:28.410 --> 00:27:30.359
fast forward that this whole time

947
00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:32.099
we were being asked obviously to do

948
00:27:32.100 --> 00:27:33.809
NFT projects and you know, my

949
00:27:33.810 --> 00:27:34.859
background in digital work

950
00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:37.679
got back to Tommy's house and I saw

951
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.509
this, which was the actual button

952
00:27:39.510 --> 00:27:41.339
from my drawing that we gave to the

953
00:27:41.340 --> 00:27:42.329
president.

954
00:27:42.330 --> 00:27:44.249
And you know, by way

955
00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:46.049
of just other background, two weeks

956
00:27:46.050 --> 00:27:47.219
after our visit, President Obama

957
00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:48.569
went on the DNC for Hillary and he

958
00:27:48.570 --> 00:27:49.859
said, I'm going to be a private

959
00:27:49.860 --> 00:27:50.729
citizen. I'm going to pass the

960
00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:52.619
baton, you know, and in

961
00:27:52.620 --> 00:27:54.449
12 speeches, he said, pass

962
00:27:54.450 --> 00:27:55.649
the baton in two weeks time frame

963
00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:57.029
from our visit. Now, I'm not going

964
00:27:57.030 --> 00:27:58.289
to say that we wrote that or put

965
00:27:58.290 --> 00:27:59.869
that in his head, but it happened,

966
00:27:59.870 --> 00:28:01.739
and that's just a fact.

967
00:28:02.970 --> 00:28:04.019
But I went to his house.

968
00:28:04.020 --> 00:28:05.579
I saw I saw this baton and I said,

969
00:28:05.580 --> 00:28:06.839
man, that looks amazing.

970
00:28:06.840 --> 00:28:08.729
That's like a sculpture.

971
00:28:08.730 --> 00:28:10.229
You know, he had used the red

972
00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:11.579
seventies label maker tape.

973
00:28:11.580 --> 00:28:13.979
So I put his team names and the

974
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:15.719
split times on there, and it looked

975
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.459
like a beautiful sculpture and it

976
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:18.689
also looked like a light saber.

977
00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:20.339
And as y'all don't like Star Wars

978
00:28:20.340 --> 00:28:21.959
fans like me, you know, every Jedi

979
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:22.949
has its own lightsaber.

980
00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:24.749
And I was like, Oh, man, that'll be

981
00:28:24.750 --> 00:28:25.889
amazing.

982
00:28:25.890 --> 00:28:27.089
I didn't want to do transactional

983
00:28:27.090 --> 00:28:28.779
NFT. I've done that as well.

984
00:28:28.780 --> 00:28:30.609
I wanted to use a smart contract,

985
00:28:30.610 --> 00:28:31.719
which we could talk about later on

986
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.519
as a conceptual gesture.

987
00:28:33.520 --> 00:28:34.749
And so we said, What would we do if

988
00:28:34.750 --> 00:28:36.429
we could do this? And so what we did

989
00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:39.549
was actually we deconstructed

990
00:28:39.550 --> 00:28:41.139
the button, made it different

991
00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:42.819
colorways, made different grip

992
00:28:42.820 --> 00:28:44.859
tapes, and we put different names

993
00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:47.199
on the baton, and we generated

994
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.239
four teams of 1968

995
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.219
batons and signifying for the year

996
00:28:51.220 --> 00:28:53.139
and made over 7800

997
00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:54.429
batons.

998
00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:56.169
And the teams then the names we put

999
00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:58.029
on there, or some of

1000
00:28:58.030 --> 00:28:59.859
the biggest and most active civil

1001
00:28:59.860 --> 00:29:01.809
rights leaders of the moment, you

1002
00:29:01.810 --> 00:29:03.549
know, everyone from John Legend to

1003
00:29:03.550 --> 00:29:05.469
Megan Rapinoe from the pop cultural

1004
00:29:05.470 --> 00:29:07.329
side to incite

1005
00:29:07.330 --> 00:29:08.440
the Tata Brown and,

1006
00:29:09.730 --> 00:29:11.769
you know, fantastic people.

1007
00:29:11.770 --> 00:29:13.809
David Johns and, you know,

1008
00:29:13.810 --> 00:29:14.919
Justin Barge or Tiger.

1009
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.149
Eddie helped us put the whole thing

1010
00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:18.159
together and we assembled,

1011
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.069
you know, a coalition of 80

1012
00:29:20.070 --> 00:29:21.879
million people that the batons won

1013
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:23.019
when they went to public, mint

1014
00:29:23.020 --> 00:29:24.020
served.

1015
00:29:24.700 --> 00:29:25.929
We raised hundreds of thousands of

1016
00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:27.249
dollars for these non-profits

1017
00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:28.689
because the Smart contract was

1018
00:29:28.690 --> 00:29:29.690
written so that,

1019
00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:32.319
you know, some money went to production,

1020
00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:33.849
but the rest of the money all went

1021
00:29:33.850 --> 00:29:35.769
to, you know,

1022
00:29:35.770 --> 00:29:37.179
these non-profits, you know, to

1023
00:29:37.180 --> 00:29:39.099
create a scalable economy

1024
00:29:39.100 --> 00:29:40.509
for for that work.

1025
00:29:40.510 --> 00:29:42.129
And then we also committed, through

1026
00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:43.569
the utility of the baton to host

1027
00:29:43.570 --> 00:29:45.099
ongoing conversations about social

1028
00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:46.149
justice.

1029
00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:47.799
And we just did one a few weeks back

1030
00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:48.800
over at Pace Gallery

1031
00:29:50.050 --> 00:29:51.790
with Bree Baker, Latosha Brown,

1032
00:29:52.990 --> 00:29:54.429
Aisha Shabazz and so forth, and a

1033
00:29:54.430 --> 00:29:55.719
bunch of people. And, you know, and

1034
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.159
I'd say just in conclusion, one of

1035
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:57.969
the things that I wanted to talk

1036
00:29:57.970 --> 00:29:59.649
about tonight and or today and have

1037
00:29:59.650 --> 00:30:01.779
you all tonight, look, it's dark on

1038
00:30:01.780 --> 00:30:03.040
morning. It's not even brunch

1039
00:30:04.540 --> 00:30:05.619
is a word that I think that is

1040
00:30:05.620 --> 00:30:06.759
really for me.

1041
00:30:06.760 --> 00:30:08.949
But more so than any of the

1042
00:30:08.950 --> 00:30:10.779
technical conversations, more so

1043
00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:12.129
than any of the economic

1044
00:30:12.130 --> 00:30:13.929
conversations there was there was a

1045
00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:15.159
word that I think that for me

1046
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.079
defines this opportunity

1047
00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:18.549
and this moment for NFT and the

1048
00:30:18.550 --> 00:30:20.319
landscape and that's community.

1049
00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:21.909
Right. And I think because one thing

1050
00:30:21.910 --> 00:30:24.219
is about NFT landscape is that like,

1051
00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:26.289
you know, it's an opportunity

1052
00:30:26.290 --> 00:30:28.479
for a community to get together

1053
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.599
to agree that something is valuable,

1054
00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:32.619
you know, and like we're all in the

1055
00:30:32.620 --> 00:30:33.819
room here because you're curious,

1056
00:30:33.820 --> 00:30:35.289
right? But we're a community, you

1057
00:30:35.290 --> 00:30:36.129
know, the hammer.

1058
00:30:36.130 --> 00:30:37.899
We've assembled people together.

1059
00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:39.759
And you're curious about if this art

1060
00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:41.290
form of this medium has value.

1061
00:30:42.550 --> 00:30:43.749
All the cryptopunks, everything that

1062
00:30:43.750 --> 00:30:45.879
Naito talked about, straight,

1063
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:47.259
you know, communities have gotten

1064
00:30:47.260 --> 00:30:49.059
together and what they've done is

1065
00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:50.529
they've expanded their fiat to

1066
00:30:50.530 --> 00:30:52.359
assert themselves that these things

1067
00:30:52.360 --> 00:30:53.319
have value in art.

1068
00:30:53.320 --> 00:30:54.789
Our work with Pass the Baton was

1069
00:30:54.790 --> 00:30:56.589
this idea is like, can we in this

1070
00:30:56.590 --> 00:30:58.449
nascent infrastructure, can

1071
00:30:58.450 --> 00:31:00.459
we suggest the idea that

1072
00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:02.469
human rights has a value?

1073
00:31:02.470 --> 00:31:04.239
You know, that that equality has

1074
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.729
value, that the value systems

1075
00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:08.139
of the people that we placed on the

1076
00:31:08.140 --> 00:31:10.119
baton are enough

1077
00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:12.369
to create an ecosystem

1078
00:31:12.370 --> 00:31:13.629
of value and to do that.

1079
00:31:13.630 --> 00:31:15.039
And we were very heartened that

1080
00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:15.969
thousands of people bought the

1081
00:31:15.970 --> 00:31:17.469
batons and, you know, joined our

1082
00:31:17.470 --> 00:31:18.459
community. And we have a robust

1083
00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:20.079
discourse now. And and so I think

1084
00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:20.889
that one of the things that is the

1085
00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:22.899
underpinning, you know, despite

1086
00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:24.729
all the confusion of all the

1087
00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:26.229
different technological components,

1088
00:31:26.230 --> 00:31:28.029
which I'm sure will be untangled in

1089
00:31:28.030 --> 00:31:29.079
the writing all over the course of

1090
00:31:29.080 --> 00:31:30.399
the next several years.

1091
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.509
One thing that is not fungible

1092
00:31:32.510 --> 00:31:33.999
or changeable on this circumstance

1093
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.409
is the fact that it all is about

1094
00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:36.519
humans.

1095
00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:37.629
You know, it's all about us and it's

1096
00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:38.739
all value systems. And one of our

1097
00:31:38.740 --> 00:31:40.569
motivation is so yes, I'm

1098
00:31:40.570 --> 00:31:41.589
looking for the conversation and

1099
00:31:41.590 --> 00:31:43.269
thank you for having me.

1100
00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:44.619
That's a see.

1101
00:31:44.620 --> 00:31:45.620
Also, I'm back.

1102
00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:02.380
Hello.

1103
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.049
Hey, I wish I had Obama

1104
00:32:06.050 --> 00:32:07.519
in my presentation.

1105
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.569
Damn, it was supposed to go after

1106
00:32:11.570 --> 00:32:12.619
that. All right.

1107
00:32:13.820 --> 00:32:16.729
Well, GM, as they say,

1108
00:32:16.730 --> 00:32:17.899
you didn't put that in your

1109
00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:19.519
presentation.

1110
00:32:19.520 --> 00:32:20.749
Yeah.

1111
00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:22.040
GM Good morning.

1112
00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:25.879
So I'm

1113
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.679
Mieke Marple and I'm going to talk

1114
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.359
about the Medusa collection,

1115
00:32:30.590 --> 00:32:33.529
which is a set of 2500

1116
00:32:33.530 --> 00:32:35.989
generative Art Nfts

1117
00:32:35.990 --> 00:32:37.459
that I launched in fall of last

1118
00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:38.460
year.

1119
00:32:40.270 --> 00:32:42.189
Uh, and as with

1120
00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:44.349
Glen, I'm going to start with

1121
00:32:44.350 --> 00:32:45.759
an analog precedent.

1122
00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:48.809
So the Medusa collection really

1123
00:32:48.810 --> 00:32:50.369
starts here.

1124
00:32:50.370 --> 00:32:52.799
This is an exhibition of paintings

1125
00:32:52.800 --> 00:32:54.659
that I did in 2019

1126
00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:56.639
called Bad Feminist after

1127
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.889
the book by Roxane Gay,

1128
00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:00.329
which was the first time she talked

1129
00:33:00.330 --> 00:33:02.519
about being gang raped

1130
00:33:02.520 --> 00:33:03.809
as a 12 year old girl.

1131
00:33:05.740 --> 00:33:06.579
And I chose.

1132
00:33:06.580 --> 00:33:08.139
This is also the first time I worked

1133
00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:09.969
with Medusa as a subject

1134
00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:11.829
matter, and

1135
00:33:11.830 --> 00:33:13.720
I chose Medusa

1136
00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:17.229
to work through some of my own

1137
00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.059
feelings of monstrous ness.

1138
00:33:20.620 --> 00:33:22.599
As some of you might know,

1139
00:33:22.600 --> 00:33:25.059
I used to be an art dealer.

1140
00:33:25.060 --> 00:33:27.549
I was co-owner of Night Gallery

1141
00:33:27.550 --> 00:33:30.040
from 2011 to 2016.

1142
00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:33.009
Ages 25 to 30,

1143
00:33:33.010 --> 00:33:34.010
roughly.

1144
00:33:34.600 --> 00:33:37.929
And when I left at the end of 2016

1145
00:33:37.930 --> 00:33:39.819
to focus on myself and do

1146
00:33:39.820 --> 00:33:42.999
some deep soul searching,

1147
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.099
it was a really shocking

1148
00:33:45.100 --> 00:33:47.169
transition for me.

1149
00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:49.459
My inbox went from 50

1150
00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:51.579
to 100 emails a day.

1151
00:33:51.580 --> 00:33:53.589
It felt like to one or two

1152
00:33:53.590 --> 00:33:55.089
generic emails a week.

1153
00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:59.079
And I took this falling off of

1154
00:33:59.080 --> 00:34:01.719
attention really personally.

1155
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.269
I felt like something

1156
00:34:04.270 --> 00:34:05.289
was wrong with me.

1157
00:34:05.290 --> 00:34:07.509
Something was monstrous

1158
00:34:07.510 --> 00:34:08.948
that I'd been so loved.

1159
00:34:08.949 --> 00:34:10.329
I can tell I'm getting emotional.

1160
00:34:11.530 --> 00:34:12.638
They've been so loved.

1161
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.499
And then it just, like, evaporated.

1162
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:22.709
So I started drawing Medusa

1163
00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:24.479
and I didn't know Medusa's whole

1164
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.579
story when I first started drawing

1165
00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:28.499
her, but quickly found out

1166
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:31.019
that you say to actually been raped

1167
00:34:31.020 --> 00:34:33.119
by the God Poseidon

1168
00:34:33.120 --> 00:34:34.948
and turned into a monster

1169
00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:37.349
by his wife, the God Athena.

1170
00:34:37.350 --> 00:34:39.238
So Medusa, the person we think

1171
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.218
of as the quintessential female

1172
00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:43.289
monster, is actually a

1173
00:34:43.290 --> 00:34:44.969
survivor of sexual abuse.

1174
00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:48.900
Yeah.

1175
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.529
And this I felt like just

1176
00:34:51.530 --> 00:34:52.968
spoke volumes.

1177
00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:55.309
If I spoke volumes to the ways

1178
00:34:55.310 --> 00:34:57.349
in which we so rarely

1179
00:34:57.350 --> 00:34:59.539
scratch under the surface,

1180
00:34:59.540 --> 00:35:01.999
just discover why monsters

1181
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.799
are monsters.

1182
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.659
And also that so many of

1183
00:35:05.660 --> 00:35:07.609
these, quote unquote, monsters

1184
00:35:07.610 --> 00:35:09.469
start off as victims of

1185
00:35:09.470 --> 00:35:11.299
abuse, often

1186
00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:12.300
sexual.

1187
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.269
And on a personal level, the

1188
00:35:16.270 --> 00:35:18.459
join me do said better helped me

1189
00:35:19.540 --> 00:35:21.729
see and understand myself

1190
00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:23.799
how my own history

1191
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:24.820
with sexual abuse

1192
00:35:25.930 --> 00:35:28.299
fed into my own self perception

1193
00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:29.499
of monstrous ness.

1194
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.059
So this was a really healing,

1195
00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:35.369
really personal, really heartfelt

1196
00:35:35.370 --> 00:35:36.859
show.

1197
00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:38.659
But I was really aware of the

1198
00:35:38.660 --> 00:35:40.639
limitations of this,

1199
00:35:40.640 --> 00:35:42.679
of exhibiting paintings in a gallery

1200
00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:43.680
space.

1201
00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:46.279
First of all, there's only four

1202
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.169
paintings that can be owned

1203
00:35:48.170 --> 00:35:49.790
by four people, Max.

1204
00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:52.999
Also felt like this status of the

1205
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.399
paintings as luxury commodities

1206
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.189
overshadowed some of the content.

1207
00:35:58.190 --> 00:36:00.109
And there's no good way for me

1208
00:36:00.110 --> 00:36:02.209
to have

1209
00:36:02.210 --> 00:36:03.799
a dialog, like have a real

1210
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:05.719
connection with people that might

1211
00:36:05.720 --> 00:36:08.459
have come into the show and

1212
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:10.130
and been touched by the content.

1213
00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:14.879
So fast forward to

1214
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.439
2021.

1215
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.120
My partner told me about

1216
00:36:19.770 --> 00:36:20.999
a friend of his who had sold a

1217
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.219
painting and then separately

1218
00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:24.989
sold an image of the painting.

1219
00:36:26.930 --> 00:36:28.190
And this I thought was.

1220
00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:30.899
The craziest thing I ever heard.

1221
00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:33.059
Why would anyone pay money

1222
00:36:33.060 --> 00:36:34.529
for an image? They could pull off a

1223
00:36:34.530 --> 00:36:35.579
website for free.

1224
00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:39.679
But I'm a business

1225
00:36:39.680 --> 00:36:41.539
minded person, and if there's

1226
00:36:41.540 --> 00:36:42.859
a way to make more money without

1227
00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:44.809
doing much more work, I

1228
00:36:44.810 --> 00:36:45.810
am game.

1229
00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:47.989
So I did that.

1230
00:36:47.990 --> 00:36:49.909
I minted my first NFT

1231
00:36:49.910 --> 00:36:51.769
is where images of paintings not

1232
00:36:51.770 --> 00:36:53.600
dies but a different pair.

1233
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.479
And they sold right away to a great

1234
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.879
collector who immediately

1235
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.769
afterwards put me in a really

1236
00:37:00.770 --> 00:37:02.599
prestigious benefit

1237
00:37:02.600 --> 00:37:04.429
NFT auction

1238
00:37:04.430 --> 00:37:06.019
with eight other artists,

1239
00:37:07.370 --> 00:37:09.230
one of whom was Beeple.

1240
00:37:10.370 --> 00:37:12.229
And this was two weeks

1241
00:37:12.230 --> 00:37:14.509
after his $69

1242
00:37:14.510 --> 00:37:16.189
million sale.

1243
00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:18.949
So I had just minted my first NFT

1244
00:37:18.950 --> 00:37:20.929
two weeks earlier and

1245
00:37:20.930 --> 00:37:22.969
suddenly I was basically in the same

1246
00:37:22.970 --> 00:37:24.949
room in the same

1247
00:37:24.950 --> 00:37:26.869
show with people

1248
00:37:26.870 --> 00:37:28.639
at my NFT, was literally like

1249
00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:30.589
underneath his on the nifty

1250
00:37:30.590 --> 00:37:31.730
gateway screen.

1251
00:37:33.560 --> 00:37:35.779
His ended up selling for 69 million.

1252
00:37:35.780 --> 00:37:37.729
His in that is sold for 6

1253
00:37:37.730 --> 00:37:39.739
million, but mine

1254
00:37:39.740 --> 00:37:42.049
sold for the humble price of

1255
00:37:42.050 --> 00:37:44.809
the equivalent of 25

1256
00:37:44.810 --> 00:37:47.119
something thousand, which was

1257
00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:49.039
much more than my actual paintings

1258
00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:50.040
went for.

1259
00:37:52.100 --> 00:37:53.959
So NFT has had

1260
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.239
my attention, needless to say,

1261
00:37:58.520 --> 00:37:59.989
but wasn't really convinced that

1262
00:37:59.990 --> 00:38:01.849
just pictures of paintings were the

1263
00:38:01.850 --> 00:38:03.949
most interesting

1264
00:38:03.950 --> 00:38:05.090
thing I could do.

1265
00:38:07.460 --> 00:38:08.480
So I kind of.

1266
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.289
I kind of observed this space

1267
00:38:12.290 --> 00:38:14.329
for a few months knowing

1268
00:38:14.330 --> 00:38:15.469
that I wanted to do something

1269
00:38:15.470 --> 00:38:16.579
ambitious.

1270
00:38:16.580 --> 00:38:18.799
Unsure what that would be,

1271
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.479
or like how to do it authentically

1272
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.160
for me and my practice.

1273
00:38:24.260 --> 00:38:26.329
Until I came across this.

1274
00:38:30.310 --> 00:38:31.659
How many people have heard of world

1275
00:38:31.660 --> 00:38:32.889
of women?

1276
00:38:32.890 --> 00:38:33.969
All right.

1277
00:38:33.970 --> 00:38:35.290
That's more than. That's good.

1278
00:38:36.550 --> 00:38:38.759
So you've already been introduced to

1279
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.349
PFG collections, these collectible

1280
00:38:41.350 --> 00:38:43.389
sets of, like, ten k

1281
00:38:43.390 --> 00:38:44.530
unique artworks.

1282
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.130
So World of Women was the first

1283
00:38:49.990 --> 00:38:52.689
really successful ten K

1284
00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.059
collectible that was depicted

1285
00:38:55.060 --> 00:38:57.039
that depicted and targeted

1286
00:38:57.040 --> 00:38:58.040
women.

1287
00:38:58.770 --> 00:39:00.419
And the thing about these

1288
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:01.649
collectibles, these are actually

1289
00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:03.449
also made generative, Leigh, just

1290
00:39:03.450 --> 00:39:04.859
like some of the generative art you

1291
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:07.210
saw by Rafiq and eggshells.

1292
00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:10.649
But the thing about owning these

1293
00:39:10.650 --> 00:39:12.150
is that by owning one,

1294
00:39:13.170 --> 00:39:15.659
you don't just owned the artwork.

1295
00:39:15.660 --> 00:39:17.789
It's also a ticket

1296
00:39:17.790 --> 00:39:20.249
into a larger community,

1297
00:39:20.250 --> 00:39:22.319
a community that gets together

1298
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.689
at conferences, that has contests,

1299
00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:26.369
that has subgroups with common

1300
00:39:26.370 --> 00:39:27.370
interests,

1301
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:30.389
that honor, discord, etc..

1302
00:39:31.570 --> 00:39:32.570
And.

1303
00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:35.129
This was a real light bulb moment

1304
00:39:35.130 --> 00:39:36.130
for me because

1305
00:39:37.140 --> 00:39:39.269
as an art dealer, I had also

1306
00:39:39.270 --> 00:39:41.189
very much been a community manager.

1307
00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:43.289
I put on events once

1308
00:39:43.290 --> 00:39:44.789
or twice a week sometimes.

1309
00:39:47.240 --> 00:39:49.279
But as when I left to

1310
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.109
focus on being an artist.

1311
00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:52.110
My.

1312
00:39:52.600 --> 00:39:54.039
My life was very solitary.

1313
00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:55.569
It was sort of head down in the

1314
00:39:55.570 --> 00:39:57.699
studio just

1315
00:39:57.700 --> 00:39:58.840
focusing on my work.

1316
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:01.779
But with this I saw how to be a

1317
00:40:01.780 --> 00:40:04.179
community organizer

1318
00:40:04.180 --> 00:40:05.260
as an artist.

1319
00:40:06.680 --> 00:40:08.509
And how do they integrate these

1320
00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:10.549
two very real sides

1321
00:40:10.550 --> 00:40:12.679
of myself into

1322
00:40:12.680 --> 00:40:15.889
like a single bigger vision?

1323
00:40:15.890 --> 00:40:17.869
So that is what brings me to

1324
00:40:17.870 --> 00:40:19.580
the Medusa collection and.

1325
00:41:06.370 --> 00:41:07.370
Thanks for that.

1326
00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:10.389
So the Medusa collection is made

1327
00:41:10.390 --> 00:41:12.309
very similarly to these

1328
00:41:12.310 --> 00:41:14.289
these ten KP collections,

1329
00:41:14.290 --> 00:41:15.290
where

1330
00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:18.339
though instead of having one central

1331
00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:20.289
image, I actually

1332
00:41:20.290 --> 00:41:22.359
had six and they're all different.

1333
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.969
Medusa's based on

1334
00:41:24.970 --> 00:41:27.129
Medusa sculptures by famous

1335
00:41:27.130 --> 00:41:28.130
Italian

1336
00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:30.580
art historical men

1337
00:41:31.690 --> 00:41:32.919
Bernini. Casanova.

1338
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:33.920
Fellini.

1339
00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:37.159
And each of these

1340
00:41:37.160 --> 00:41:39.019
Mideast heads was basically

1341
00:41:39.020 --> 00:41:41.719
a very large Photoshop file

1342
00:41:41.720 --> 00:41:44.179
of 7080 layers

1343
00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:47.629
that were categorized into

1344
00:41:47.630 --> 00:41:49.849
like eight or nine categories.

1345
00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:52.939
And so basically how it worked is an

1346
00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:55.399
algorithm would come and randomly

1347
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.679
choose a different

1348
00:41:57.680 --> 00:41:59.569
variable option

1349
00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:00.409
from each of the different

1350
00:42:00.410 --> 00:42:02.239
categories and put it together

1351
00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:03.380
into a single

1352
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.429
complete digital Medusa

1353
00:42:07.430 --> 00:42:08.430
painting.

1354
00:42:10.730 --> 00:42:13.129
And it did this 2500

1355
00:42:13.130 --> 00:42:14.959
times, which

1356
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.999
might sound like a lot, but

1357
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:18.379
I actually want to calculate the

1358
00:42:18.380 --> 00:42:20.989
total possible permutations

1359
00:42:20.990 --> 00:42:23.929
and it's something like 2.5 billion.

1360
00:42:23.930 --> 00:42:25.609
So it's a relatively small sample

1361
00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:26.610
size.

1362
00:42:28.230 --> 00:42:29.640
But this project,

1363
00:42:30.720 --> 00:42:33.569
in ways that I'm still digesting,

1364
00:42:33.570 --> 00:42:35.009
really changed my life.

1365
00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:36.719
It changed my relationship to art.

1366
00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:38.339
It changed my relationship to

1367
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:39.340
myself.

1368
00:42:41.540 --> 00:42:43.369
In handing over some of the creative

1369
00:42:43.370 --> 00:42:45.260
decision making to an algorithm,

1370
00:42:46.490 --> 00:42:48.739
I really learned how to

1371
00:42:48.740 --> 00:42:50.689
let go of control

1372
00:42:50.690 --> 00:42:51.690
and.

1373
00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:53.919
It's kind of like, really like

1374
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.899
confronting your deepest

1375
00:42:55.900 --> 00:42:56.979
fear, right?

1376
00:42:56.980 --> 00:42:58.659
That like, you can just, like, let

1377
00:42:58.660 --> 00:43:01.539
go and trust that

1378
00:43:01.540 --> 00:43:03.069
something bigger than you has, like,

1379
00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:04.070
got your back.

1380
00:43:06.860 --> 00:43:08.269
And in doing that, like

1381
00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:11.629
I could tell, like the work was so

1382
00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:13.579
much less inhibited.

1383
00:43:13.580 --> 00:43:15.439
It was so much bolder.

1384
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.449
It was so much freer

1385
00:43:17.450 --> 00:43:20.209
than anything I'd made before.

1386
00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:21.139
And I felt like it was like

1387
00:43:21.140 --> 00:43:22.140
reflecting my

1388
00:43:23.080 --> 00:43:25.549
deepest subconscious back to me

1389
00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:27.259
is so much wilder and it was so much

1390
00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:28.370
more rageful

1391
00:43:29.450 --> 00:43:31.409
than I could have that I knew I had

1392
00:43:31.410 --> 00:43:32.410
in me.

1393
00:43:34.710 --> 00:43:36.629
And it also

1394
00:43:36.630 --> 00:43:38.639
met a lot of the unfulfilled

1395
00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:40.319
needs that I had from earlier.

1396
00:43:43.570 --> 00:43:45.129
I was able to reach a much broader

1397
00:43:45.130 --> 00:43:46.629
audience.

1398
00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:48.819
I was able to directly connect

1399
00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:50.379
with that audience over Twitter or

1400
00:43:50.380 --> 00:43:52.269
discord or in-person meet ups

1401
00:43:53.350 --> 00:43:54.350
and.

1402
00:43:54.850 --> 00:43:56.919
I think more than all

1403
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:58.780
of that, it really felt.

1404
00:43:59.930 --> 00:44:02.029
That I was making contemporary

1405
00:44:02.030 --> 00:44:03.499
art, that I was a contemporary

1406
00:44:03.500 --> 00:44:06.109
artist, that I was using

1407
00:44:06.110 --> 00:44:08.659
the tools of our time

1408
00:44:08.660 --> 00:44:10.849
to reflect

1409
00:44:10.850 --> 00:44:12.679
the moment we're in, that

1410
00:44:12.680 --> 00:44:14.869
I was inserting my own personal

1411
00:44:14.870 --> 00:44:17.539
poetic glitch

1412
00:44:17.540 --> 00:44:19.429
into this language of

1413
00:44:19.430 --> 00:44:22.009
computers and this endless

1414
00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:23.900
stream of digital content.

1415
00:44:26.330 --> 00:44:27.980
That we take for granted often

1416
00:44:29.390 --> 00:44:30.559
that I was inserting.

1417
00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:32.680
Yeah, a.

1418
00:44:33.860 --> 00:44:36.349
I don't know. Just a moment of

1419
00:44:36.350 --> 00:44:37.350
self in that.

1420
00:44:38.550 --> 00:44:40.379
So, you know, I

1421
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.319
think a lot of you are here to

1422
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.049
discover if nfts are for you

1423
00:44:46.050 --> 00:44:47.579
and.

1424
00:44:47.580 --> 00:44:49.079
I guess what I would leave you with

1425
00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:50.080
is.

1426
00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:53.209
You know, if you're posting

1427
00:44:53.210 --> 00:44:55.159
your work on Instagram,

1428
00:44:55.160 --> 00:44:56.989
if you're using email, if

1429
00:44:56.990 --> 00:44:58.609
you're doing any kind of digital

1430
00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:00.829
mock ups, you're already a digital

1431
00:45:00.830 --> 00:45:02.079
artist.

1432
00:45:02.080 --> 00:45:04.249
And we live in a digital era.

1433
00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:06.139
And I think it actually behooves

1434
00:45:06.140 --> 00:45:07.610
everyone here to bring

1435
00:45:08.750 --> 00:45:10.669
conscientiousness

1436
00:45:10.670 --> 00:45:13.339
into that, to bring intention

1437
00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:16.309
into that, and

1438
00:45:16.310 --> 00:45:18.469
be the most contemporary,

1439
00:45:18.470 --> 00:45:20.059
contemporary artist that you can.

1440
00:45:21.070 --> 00:45:22.869
And I'll leave it with that.

1441
00:45:22.870 --> 00:45:25.239
But thank you so much for having me.

1442
00:45:25.240 --> 00:45:26.240
I appreciate

1443
00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:28.070
that.

1444
00:45:47.210 --> 00:45:48.620
Well, I.

1445
00:45:50.270 --> 00:45:52.609
My name is Paul Pfeiffer and

1446
00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:54.469
I'm super happy to be here.

1447
00:45:57.110 --> 00:45:58.099
I'm going to take a different

1448
00:45:58.100 --> 00:46:00.259
approach because

1449
00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:02.239
I think I might be the only one

1450
00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:03.240
of the four who's

1451
00:46:04.610 --> 00:46:06.919
like just in

1452
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:08.479
well, hasn't actually made an NFT

1453
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:09.480
yet.

1454
00:46:10.070 --> 00:46:12.349
So I'm really going analog,

1455
00:46:12.350 --> 00:46:14.929
not analog but pre NFT.

1456
00:46:14.930 --> 00:46:16.699
I'm very excited to be working with

1457
00:46:18.110 --> 00:46:20.209
Nato Thompson and the folks at

1458
00:46:20.210 --> 00:46:22.069
Art World on an NFT

1459
00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:23.329
project. And that's why I'm here

1460
00:46:23.330 --> 00:46:24.330
actually.

1461
00:46:26.180 --> 00:46:28.039
Why they invited me, I guess has to

1462
00:46:28.040 --> 00:46:29.959
do with the fact that I

1463
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.330
come from a background in video.

1464
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.829
And digital video specifically

1465
00:46:35.830 --> 00:46:37.959
starting in the late nineties.

1466
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.179
So and

1467
00:46:40.180 --> 00:46:41.260
in the late nineties, i.

1468
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:43.880
I.

1469
00:46:46.990 --> 00:46:48.399
They found it kind of the most

1470
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:50.529
negative way to structure a video,

1471
00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:52.569
to just take a short

1472
00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:54.489
piece of found footage and just loop

1473
00:46:54.490 --> 00:46:56.439
it back and forth, because that's

1474
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:57.849
what all the video editing software

1475
00:46:57.850 --> 00:46:59.799
does. Anyway, I actually come from a

1476
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:00.820
printmaking background

1477
00:47:02.740 --> 00:47:05.199
and they are now from 2022

1478
00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:06.519
perspective, it looks like, you

1479
00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:08.409
know, like a medium or

1480
00:47:08.410 --> 00:47:09.410
something like that.

1481
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.799
But really it was just kind of like

1482
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.479
reflecting the language of the

1483
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.369
software itself and what it

1484
00:47:15.370 --> 00:47:17.319
sort of wants to do in the

1485
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.329
editing suite and

1486
00:47:19.330 --> 00:47:20.620
using that as a format.

1487
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:24.840
Yeah. So

1488
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:27.709
I really wanted me to, like, think

1489
00:47:27.710 --> 00:47:28.789
of a project and.

1490
00:47:30.210 --> 00:47:31.319
I happened to be talking to a friend

1491
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.239
who was telling

1492
00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:34.169
me about this thing that was

1493
00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:35.549
happening just over the past couple

1494
00:47:35.550 --> 00:47:37.499
of years during COVID

1495
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:38.500
in which.

1496
00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:43.169
Like towns in the Philippines

1497
00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:44.969
where a lot of people have lost

1498
00:47:44.970 --> 00:47:46.979
their jobs, has

1499
00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:49.109
started playing this

1500
00:47:49.110 --> 00:47:50.820
game called Axie Infinity

1501
00:47:51.930 --> 00:47:52.930
and

1502
00:47:53.910 --> 00:47:55.559
doing things within Axie Infinity

1503
00:47:55.560 --> 00:47:57.389
that would which is a crypto

1504
00:47:57.390 --> 00:47:59.249
based game to earn

1505
00:47:59.250 --> 00:48:01.439
crypto, which ultimately could be

1506
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:02.789
taken out of the crypto world and

1507
00:48:02.790 --> 00:48:03.599
turned into real money.

1508
00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:05.459
So basically people were playing the

1509
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.499
game as a job

1510
00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:08.999
to replace the jobs that were lost

1511
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.559
and sort of, I guess traditional

1512
00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:12.719
they call it, you know, traditional

1513
00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:13.529
fields.

1514
00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:14.530
Up until COVID.

1515
00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:17.489
Axie Infinity is a digital

1516
00:48:17.490 --> 00:48:19.409
community where players can sell

1517
00:48:19.410 --> 00:48:20.969
their in-game characters for real

1518
00:48:20.970 --> 00:48:22.920
money using the Ethereum blockchain.

1519
00:48:28.890 --> 00:48:30.479
Players can breed their actions to

1520
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.639
discover exciting new combinations.

1521
00:48:33.750 --> 00:48:35.579
Axes start off as eggs and

1522
00:48:35.580 --> 00:48:37.259
require loving attention from their

1523
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:38.260
owners to grow up.

1524
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.449
Take care of your axes and earn

1525
00:48:52.450 --> 00:48:54.129
experienced points by completing

1526
00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:55.270
daily activities.

1527
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:13.959
Use experienced points to level up

1528
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.999
your axis and unlock new abilities

1529
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.320
which can be used in battle.

1530
00:49:19.190 --> 00:49:20.809
You can even trade your axes for

1531
00:49:20.810 --> 00:49:23.139
cryptocurrency on our marketplace.

1532
00:49:23.140 --> 00:49:24.969
Find out more on axie infinity

1533
00:49:24.970 --> 00:49:26.800
dot com available now.

1534
00:49:33.080 --> 00:49:34.789
I just downloaded that from YouTube

1535
00:49:34.790 --> 00:49:35.790
last night. And

1536
00:49:37.190 --> 00:49:39.079
what I wanted to draw from that

1537
00:49:39.080 --> 00:49:40.519
and what I find interesting is

1538
00:49:41.600 --> 00:49:43.669
that what seems to happen

1539
00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:45.499
in the game is starting

1540
00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:47.869
from breeding and

1541
00:49:47.870 --> 00:49:49.340
then nurturing and,

1542
00:49:51.500 --> 00:49:53.089
and then ultimately going into a

1543
00:49:53.090 --> 00:49:55.009
sort of competition.

1544
00:49:55.010 --> 00:49:56.839
Um, and then how that

1545
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.759
relates to

1546
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.289
the marketization or like the

1547
00:50:00.290 --> 00:50:01.520
financialization.

1548
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.249
It's interesting to me in the way

1549
00:50:05.250 --> 00:50:08.189
that it sort of mimics

1550
00:50:08.190 --> 00:50:10.169
fundamental biological

1551
00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:12.449
or life patterns.

1552
00:50:12.450 --> 00:50:14.519
It's basically showing you

1553
00:50:14.520 --> 00:50:16.349
a kind of life cycle from cradle

1554
00:50:16.350 --> 00:50:18.329
to grave in which

1555
00:50:18.330 --> 00:50:20.569
you control and

1556
00:50:20.570 --> 00:50:22.649
and monetize the process.

1557
00:50:22.650 --> 00:50:24.179
It's really it's the process of

1558
00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:26.069
production on a biological

1559
00:50:26.070 --> 00:50:28.109
level, sort of

1560
00:50:28.110 --> 00:50:29.969
melded with production on a

1561
00:50:29.970 --> 00:50:31.229
digital level.

1562
00:50:31.230 --> 00:50:33.539
And I intuitively

1563
00:50:33.540 --> 00:50:34.560
find that intriguing.

1564
00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:36.610
It.

1565
00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:39.869
For me, it blurs the boundary

1566
00:50:39.870 --> 00:50:41.789
between what one

1567
00:50:41.790 --> 00:50:43.679
would consider, you know, one's

1568
00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:45.959
unique identity or

1569
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.940
lifespan and

1570
00:50:49.130 --> 00:50:51.299
and what it might mean to bring

1571
00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:53.819
oneself into the digital realm

1572
00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:55.739
or into the realm of cryptocurrency,

1573
00:50:55.740 --> 00:50:56.740
into a marketplace,

1574
00:50:57.780 --> 00:50:58.780
the kind of the.

1575
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:01.649
The gray area ness of it intrigues

1576
00:51:01.650 --> 00:51:02.760
me so.

1577
00:51:05.830 --> 00:51:07.179
Yeah. That's, that's what I was

1578
00:51:07.180 --> 00:51:08.709
thinking about in relation to this

1579
00:51:08.710 --> 00:51:09.849
NFT project and

1580
00:51:11.050 --> 00:51:13.059
the next and where it led was

1581
00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:16.329
just, you know, the Philippines

1582
00:51:16.330 --> 00:51:17.919
had an election just a couple of

1583
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:18.920
weeks ago and.

1584
00:51:20.540 --> 00:51:22.369
One of the candidates was

1585
00:51:22.370 --> 00:51:23.630
was Manny Pacquiao.

1586
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:26.779
And it really intrigued me.

1587
00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:27.780
The.

1588
00:51:29.410 --> 00:51:31.329
Just a coincidence of,

1589
00:51:31.330 --> 00:51:32.799
you know, probably the most

1590
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.959
monetized, invisible

1591
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:35.960
athlete.

1592
00:51:37.430 --> 00:51:38.869
From the Philippines becoming a

1593
00:51:38.870 --> 00:51:40.799
politician. And actually

1594
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.609
he has a sort of triple life as a

1595
00:51:43.610 --> 00:51:44.690
person who gives

1596
00:51:45.860 --> 00:51:48.679
sermons as a religious leader.

1597
00:51:48.680 --> 00:51:50.539
So the kind of merging of.

1598
00:51:52.810 --> 00:51:54.999
Professional sports, entertainment

1599
00:51:57.250 --> 00:51:59.739
like nation state politics

1600
00:51:59.740 --> 00:52:00.969
and religion

1601
00:52:02.410 --> 00:52:04.959
to me blurs the boundaries

1602
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:05.960
again.

1603
00:52:06.490 --> 00:52:07.490
Between what?

1604
00:52:08.310 --> 00:52:10.559
You know, in the previous century,

1605
00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:12.539
we considered very

1606
00:52:12.540 --> 00:52:14.339
important to keep separate church

1607
00:52:14.340 --> 00:52:15.340
and state.

1608
00:52:17.070 --> 00:52:19.380
And the role of these

1609
00:52:20.790 --> 00:52:22.589
institutions inherited from the 20th

1610
00:52:22.590 --> 00:52:23.999
century really like the inherited

1611
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:25.919
political categories of

1612
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:26.940
the previous century

1613
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.779
and how they are transforming

1614
00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:32.849
in this era of new technologies

1615
00:52:32.850 --> 00:52:34.409
and how they really relate to the

1616
00:52:34.410 --> 00:52:36.659
propagation of belief systems.

1617
00:52:38.370 --> 00:52:40.379
Seems to me like

1618
00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:41.459
I want to say immersive.

1619
00:52:42.530 --> 00:52:43.489
In a way.

1620
00:52:43.490 --> 00:52:44.490
So

1621
00:52:45.470 --> 00:52:47.419
the idea that I had with Art

1622
00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:49.579
World was to do a series of

1623
00:52:49.580 --> 00:52:51.739
and it's based on.

1624
00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:53.149
All of the fights of Manny Pacquiao

1625
00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:54.150
in which he lost.

1626
00:52:56.020 --> 00:52:58.239
And as a video editor, what I'm

1627
00:52:58.240 --> 00:53:00.069
doing is going in

1628
00:53:00.070 --> 00:53:02.019
and working with

1629
00:53:02.020 --> 00:53:05.019
the material of video,

1630
00:53:05.020 --> 00:53:07.180
almost like a painter and.

1631
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:09.429
Kind of breaking it down into

1632
00:53:09.430 --> 00:53:11.259
layers, building it

1633
00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:12.260
back up again,

1634
00:53:13.300 --> 00:53:14.919
playing with relationships between

1635
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.119
foreground and background.

1636
00:53:18.660 --> 00:53:19.739
To transform the image.

1637
00:53:26.390 --> 00:53:27.619
So actually I wanted to

1638
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.369
go back to something that Naito said

1639
00:53:31.370 --> 00:53:33.379
at the beginning, that one

1640
00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:34.380
of the things that.

1641
00:53:35.350 --> 00:53:36.880
Art can add to the conversation.

1642
00:53:38.570 --> 00:53:40.309
Today about NAFTA has something to

1643
00:53:40.310 --> 00:53:42.169
do with like consciousness of

1644
00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:43.219
media.

1645
00:53:43.220 --> 00:53:45.109
And that's my

1646
00:53:45.110 --> 00:53:45.899
favorite thing.

1647
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:47.899
Like that's in a way the

1648
00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:49.639
playground that I choose to play in

1649
00:53:49.640 --> 00:53:51.409
and I'm very interested in in.

1650
00:53:52.410 --> 00:53:54.809
What media is and what mediation

1651
00:53:54.810 --> 00:53:55.810
means.

1652
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.769
I was telling folks earlier today

1653
00:53:58.770 --> 00:54:00.599
that I thought that what's

1654
00:54:00.600 --> 00:54:02.549
happening in this conference

1655
00:54:02.550 --> 00:54:04.439
is a like a

1656
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.520
meeting of witches.

1657
00:54:07.020 --> 00:54:09.149
And what I mean by that is it

1658
00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:10.150
occurred to me that.

1659
00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:13.439
As as much as we might

1660
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.489
be coming from different.

1661
00:54:15.740 --> 00:54:17.449
Backgrounds.

1662
00:54:17.450 --> 00:54:19.309
One thing that really

1663
00:54:19.310 --> 00:54:21.199
to me unites

1664
00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:23.390
artists and technologists is

1665
00:54:24.530 --> 00:54:26.389
an interest in

1666
00:54:26.390 --> 00:54:28.039
in mediation.

1667
00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:29.659
And I think of mediation as like.

1668
00:54:32.170 --> 00:54:33.190
A meta element.

1669
00:54:35.670 --> 00:54:36.899
It's like the.

1670
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:38.759
It's like the.

1671
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.249
Water that the fish swims in

1672
00:54:41.250 --> 00:54:43.499
and there's like a famous well, not

1673
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:44.500
famous, but

1674
00:54:46.410 --> 00:54:48.449
a Jewish friend of mine said that

1675
00:54:48.450 --> 00:54:50.309
you can encapsulate

1676
00:54:50.310 --> 00:54:52.439
the Jewish critical tradition and in

1677
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.329
the phrase, the fish can't see the

1678
00:54:54.330 --> 00:54:55.330
water.

1679
00:54:56.740 --> 00:54:58.659
It seems like an enigmatic thing to

1680
00:54:58.660 --> 00:55:00.760
say, but.

1681
00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:04.019
One of the ways, I take it is that.

1682
00:55:05.550 --> 00:55:06.550
As an editor.

1683
00:55:08.990 --> 00:55:11.509
When I'm editing, I'm taking

1684
00:55:11.510 --> 00:55:13.489
found material

1685
00:55:13.490 --> 00:55:15.229
and I'm doing something to it.

1686
00:55:16.910 --> 00:55:18.739
And usually the material I

1687
00:55:18.740 --> 00:55:20.719
work with has protagonists

1688
00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:21.720
in it.

1689
00:55:22.220 --> 00:55:23.929
But in a sense, I am also a

1690
00:55:23.930 --> 00:55:25.099
protagonist.

1691
00:55:25.100 --> 00:55:26.100
But I'm.

1692
00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:29.199
Made invisible in the end.

1693
00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:30.310
You can't see my hand.

1694
00:55:31.870 --> 00:55:34.149
And yet I am

1695
00:55:34.150 --> 00:55:35.590
asserting my subjectivity.

1696
00:55:36.690 --> 00:55:37.690
Through the material.

1697
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:41.840
There's like a.

1698
00:55:43.090 --> 00:55:45.039
An analog to that in say like

1699
00:55:45.040 --> 00:55:46.989
a boxing match where you

1700
00:55:46.990 --> 00:55:48.070
have opponents

1701
00:55:50.290 --> 00:55:52.179
and that fight is being

1702
00:55:52.180 --> 00:55:53.649
mediated by a referee.

1703
00:55:56.010 --> 00:55:57.029
So all that's happening is I'm

1704
00:55:57.030 --> 00:55:59.039
taking out the opponent

1705
00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:00.029
in a way you're seeing an

1706
00:56:00.030 --> 00:56:02.219
intensified like

1707
00:56:02.220 --> 00:56:04.229
or you're honing in on the

1708
00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:06.119
sort of hits to the body that

1709
00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:07.859
are occurring and you're seeing the

1710
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:09.809
mediation of the referee kind

1711
00:56:09.810 --> 00:56:10.829
of dancing around and.

1712
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:15.629
It's almost like a third party

1713
00:56:15.630 --> 00:56:18.779
in that situation.

1714
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:21.329
I also read at some point

1715
00:56:21.330 --> 00:56:22.330
think

1716
00:56:23.580 --> 00:56:26.099
about the relationship between.

1717
00:56:26.100 --> 00:56:27.690
Jokes and humor.

1718
00:56:28.740 --> 00:56:32.009
And revolutions and innovation,

1719
00:56:32.010 --> 00:56:33.179
that they all have a similar

1720
00:56:33.180 --> 00:56:35.459
structure in that if you

1721
00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:37.739
break it down structurally,

1722
00:56:37.740 --> 00:56:39.299
there's always three parties

1723
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:40.300
involved

1724
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:42.809
in a joke.

1725
00:56:44.220 --> 00:56:46.319
One person is acting on another

1726
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.149
in a way that sort of

1727
00:56:48.150 --> 00:56:49.979
they don't realize there's a part

1728
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:51.179
of the joke.

1729
00:56:51.180 --> 00:56:53.459
But there's always a third party

1730
00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:55.380
in that, which is the viewer,

1731
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.919
the person playing

1732
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.079
the joke on the other person

1733
00:57:01.080 --> 00:57:02.639
and the person who's the butt of the

1734
00:57:02.640 --> 00:57:04.589
joke don't know that the joke

1735
00:57:04.590 --> 00:57:05.609
is happening.

1736
00:57:05.610 --> 00:57:07.679
And in fact, there is no joke

1737
00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:09.330
unless that third person laughs.

1738
00:57:10.530 --> 00:57:11.819
So in a way, you know,

1739
00:57:13.740 --> 00:57:14.740
the.

1740
00:57:16.770 --> 00:57:18.059
I mean, I find it intriguing

1741
00:57:19.080 --> 00:57:20.609
in a way, like there's so many

1742
00:57:20.610 --> 00:57:22.919
narratives that are familiar that

1743
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.389
appear to have to.

1744
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:27.809
Protagonists are antagonists,

1745
00:57:27.810 --> 00:57:29.280
but in fact, there's always a third.

1746
00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:34.079
And I link that back to an idea of

1747
00:57:34.080 --> 00:57:35.759
what mediation is.

1748
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.529
So what intrigues me about mediation

1749
00:57:37.530 --> 00:57:39.359
is that it's a kind of

1750
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.249
necessary third party to.

1751
00:57:42.950 --> 00:57:45.559
A conflict, let's say, or to

1752
00:57:45.560 --> 00:57:46.560
an exchange.

1753
00:57:47.510 --> 00:57:49.969
And yet the effectiveness

1754
00:57:49.970 --> 00:57:52.099
of that third party

1755
00:57:52.100 --> 00:57:54.379
is based on their relative

1756
00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:55.380
invisibility

1757
00:57:56.510 --> 00:57:59.239
or their relative ambiguity

1758
00:57:59.240 --> 00:58:00.240
to the situation.

1759
00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:03.129
It's kind of the relationship

1760
00:58:03.130 --> 00:58:04.510
between foreground and background.

1761
00:58:07.180 --> 00:58:09.069
There's a project that Glenn Kaino

1762
00:58:09.070 --> 00:58:11.199
has done where he's

1763
00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:12.200
like studied

1764
00:58:13.240 --> 00:58:14.240
magicians.

1765
00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:20.409
This and a famous

1766
00:58:20.410 --> 00:58:21.819
performance space for magicians here

1767
00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:22.820
in L.A., I believe.

1768
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:26.449
I'm super intrigued about that

1769
00:58:26.450 --> 00:58:27.559
project because it's a similar

1770
00:58:27.560 --> 00:58:28.789
thing, like, you know what?

1771
00:58:31.180 --> 00:58:33.009
Like the magician in some ways, like

1772
00:58:33.010 --> 00:58:34.269
a mediator.

1773
00:58:35.530 --> 00:58:36.759
Of perception or let's say like

1774
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:38.589
sleight of hand is is

1775
00:58:38.590 --> 00:58:40.989
all about the mediation.

1776
00:58:40.990 --> 00:58:43.239
And the mediation isn't complete

1777
00:58:43.240 --> 00:58:44.349
until it's sort of like.

1778
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.159
Well, it's completed in the mind of

1779
00:58:47.160 --> 00:58:48.509
the perceiver.

1780
00:58:48.510 --> 00:58:51.089
And in a sense it's

1781
00:58:51.090 --> 00:58:52.919
a negotiation in which the the

1782
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.959
say like in sleight of hand,

1783
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.509
the sleight of hand artist

1784
00:58:57.510 --> 00:58:59.429
is aware of certain inherent

1785
00:58:59.430 --> 00:59:01.619
blindspots and,

1786
00:59:01.620 --> 00:59:03.779
and uses them to produce

1787
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:05.820
an effect that appears.

1788
00:59:06.990 --> 00:59:08.969
Well, that defies kind of logical

1789
00:59:08.970 --> 00:59:09.970
reasoning.

1790
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:14.659
Yeah, I.

1791
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:17.339
Like I feel like there's a relationship

1792
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:19.569
too to nfts

1793
00:59:19.570 --> 00:59:21.349
in the sense that.

1794
00:59:21.350 --> 00:59:23.239
Well, it's occurred to me

1795
00:59:23.240 --> 00:59:25.099
that in a sense,

1796
00:59:25.100 --> 00:59:27.469
what like the blockchain does is it

1797
00:59:27.470 --> 00:59:29.029
reveals or brings into the

1798
00:59:29.030 --> 00:59:31.429
foreground the mediation

1799
00:59:31.430 --> 00:59:32.430
aspect.

1800
00:59:34.100 --> 00:59:35.179
Which seems like almost like a

1801
00:59:35.180 --> 00:59:36.380
contradiction in terms.

1802
00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:38.989
If the effectiveness of the

1803
00:59:38.990 --> 00:59:40.819
mediating element

1804
00:59:40.820 --> 00:59:41.820
is.

1805
00:59:42.350 --> 00:59:44.119
Is has to do with its relative

1806
00:59:44.120 --> 00:59:45.229
invisibility.

1807
00:59:45.230 --> 00:59:46.459
What does it mean to actually

1808
00:59:46.460 --> 00:59:47.460
foreground

1809
00:59:49.070 --> 00:59:50.360
the mediation process?

1810
00:59:51.930 --> 00:59:53.279
I also associate the mediation

1811
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.829
process with change

1812
00:59:55.830 --> 00:59:58.199
or, you know, or revolution.

1813
00:59:58.200 --> 00:59:59.639
It's really taking like everything

1814
00:59:59.640 --> 01:00:01.499
that's expected and

1815
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:03.479
then pivoting on

1816
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.579
it in order to produce an effect

1817
01:00:05.580 --> 01:00:06.959
that produces change,

1818
01:00:08.040 --> 01:00:09.059
a change.

1819
01:00:09.060 --> 01:00:10.889
And so, you

1820
01:00:10.890 --> 01:00:12.629
know, I mean, it seems obvious to me

1821
01:00:12.630 --> 01:00:14.039
that in a way, the motivator behind

1822
01:00:14.040 --> 01:00:15.040
NAFTA is.

1823
01:00:15.870 --> 01:00:17.759
Has to do with a kind of, you

1824
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.719
know, the fact that we're in a

1825
01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:20.520
moment of like extreme change.

1826
01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:26.010
Whether, you know,

1827
01:00:28.050 --> 01:00:29.789
technology is responsible for it or

1828
01:00:29.790 --> 01:00:31.769
whether technology,

1829
01:00:31.770 --> 01:00:34.439
you know, is is seeking to provide

1830
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.359
a kind of way

1831
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.609
through, it is

1832
01:00:38.610 --> 01:00:41.129
debatable. But, you know,

1833
01:00:41.130 --> 01:00:42.760
both in terms of not just the.

1834
01:00:43.830 --> 01:00:45.089
Technological evolution.

1835
01:00:45.090 --> 01:00:46.260
But. But obviously.

1836
01:00:48.890 --> 01:00:50.749
That we're at a state of war on

1837
01:00:50.750 --> 01:00:51.750
a global level.

1838
01:00:53.700 --> 01:00:54.700
And.

1839
01:00:56.890 --> 01:00:58.569
So there is a lot of conflict.

1840
01:00:58.570 --> 01:01:01.509
And as Walid Rod's project

1841
01:01:01.510 --> 01:01:02.979
points out, there's, you know, in a

1842
01:01:02.980 --> 01:01:04.959
way like new

1843
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:06.939
types of

1844
01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:09.489
construct control structures or

1845
01:01:09.490 --> 01:01:11.709
kind of social formations

1846
01:01:11.710 --> 01:01:13.359
that appear to like kind of jump

1847
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.309
over the assumption of, say, like

1848
01:01:15.310 --> 01:01:18.159
democratic grounding

1849
01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:21.189
and go back to like feudal systems.

1850
01:01:21.190 --> 01:01:22.539
There's something very nonlinear

1851
01:01:22.540 --> 01:01:24.280
about like the behavioral patterns

1852
01:01:25.330 --> 01:01:27.039
that are showing up now.

1853
01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:28.869
So sorry, I kind

1854
01:01:28.870 --> 01:01:30.549
of get lost in it, but in some ways

1855
01:01:30.550 --> 01:01:31.809
I want to take this opportunity to

1856
01:01:31.810 --> 01:01:32.810
address.

1857
01:01:34.450 --> 01:01:36.279
Yeah. To go back to Manny Pacquiao.

1858
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:37.599
In a sense, what I was thinking.

1859
01:01:41.230 --> 01:01:43.089
Following gaming was

1860
01:01:43.090 --> 01:01:44.949
about sports activities.

1861
01:01:44.950 --> 01:01:45.969
Like, I don't know if you guys are

1862
01:01:45.970 --> 01:01:48.009
aware, but there's a thing called

1863
01:01:48.010 --> 01:01:50.919
NBA top shots, which is like,

1864
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.749
uh, like

1865
01:01:52.750 --> 01:01:54.669
a multibillion dollar

1866
01:01:54.670 --> 01:01:56.529
thing now, and it's sort

1867
01:01:56.530 --> 01:01:57.530
of like, well, here.

1868
01:01:59.830 --> 01:02:00.830
Oh.

1869
01:02:02.660 --> 01:02:04.429
So essentially what NBA top shots

1870
01:02:04.430 --> 01:02:06.379
is, is that you can collect and own

1871
01:02:06.380 --> 01:02:08.209
official NBA moments like you

1872
01:02:08.210 --> 01:02:10.339
can own that exact moment in NBA

1873
01:02:10.340 --> 01:02:11.959
history. It's almost like buying and

1874
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:13.849
trading NBA basketball cards,

1875
01:02:13.850 --> 01:02:15.169
but rather than having them on a

1876
01:02:15.170 --> 01:02:16.279
piece of cardboard, you actually

1877
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:17.959
have a little clip of that moment

1878
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:19.669
and you own that moment digitally,

1879
01:02:19.670 --> 01:02:20.719
which means that it can never get

1880
01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:21.829
damaged or destroyed.

1881
01:02:21.830 --> 01:02:23.119
It doesn't have to get graded like

1882
01:02:23.120 --> 01:02:24.829
basketball cards do, and it's always

1883
01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:26.089
in perfect mint condition.

1884
01:02:26.090 --> 01:02:27.379
But the part that really sucked me

1885
01:02:27.380 --> 01:02:28.849
in as a collector, because you guys

1886
01:02:28.850 --> 01:02:29.719
know me, I'm a collector of

1887
01:02:29.720 --> 01:02:31.339
sneakers, and pretty much anything

1888
01:02:31.340 --> 01:02:32.929
that I can collect is that each one

1889
01:02:32.930 --> 01:02:34.339
of these moments have a serial

1890
01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:35.479
number, and some moments are

1891
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.039
significantly rarer than others.

1892
01:02:37.040 --> 01:02:38.329
So like common moments, there are

1893
01:02:38.330 --> 01:02:39.559
tens of thousands of those

1894
01:02:39.560 --> 01:02:40.999
available, rare moments.

1895
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.709
There are low thousands of those

1896
01:02:42.710 --> 01:02:43.999
available, and then legendary

1897
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.099
moments, I believe they're only 99

1898
01:02:46.100 --> 01:02:47.989
or less of those moments available,

1899
01:02:47.990 --> 01:02:49.099
which means some of them are

1900
01:02:49.100 --> 01:02:50.839
insanely rare like this.

1901
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:51.949
Joel Embiid Assist.

1902
01:02:51.950 --> 01:02:53.779
As you can see, there are only 50 of

1903
01:02:53.780 --> 01:02:55.879
these series one hollow 2020 moments

1904
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:56.689
that exist.

1905
01:02:56.690 --> 01:02:57.949
Moments like these have value

1906
01:02:57.950 --> 01:02:59.509
because the mint size and added

1907
01:02:59.510 --> 01:03:00.469
value for badges.

1908
01:03:00.470 --> 01:03:02.239
This moment has the Topshot debut

1909
01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:03.799
badge, meaning that the play feature

1910
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.239
is the player's first moment to

1911
01:03:05.240 --> 01:03:06.739
exist on NBA Top Shot.

1912
01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:08.419
The following items are what make a

1913
01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:09.889
moment valuable to collectors.

1914
01:03:09.890 --> 01:03:11.299
Other variables collectors tend to

1915
01:03:11.300 --> 01:03:12.649
keep an eye on are things like the

1916
01:03:12.650 --> 01:03:14.419
box score and what the play means in

1917
01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:16.339
terms of the end result of the game.

1918
01:03:17.630 --> 01:03:18.630
So yeah,

1919
01:03:20.180 --> 01:03:21.829
I mean, it seems obvious and like,

1920
01:03:23.570 --> 01:03:24.679
I mean what I want to say about

1921
01:03:24.680 --> 01:03:25.680
sports is

1922
01:03:26.660 --> 01:03:28.819
the reason why is since the

1923
01:03:28.820 --> 01:03:30.889
late nineties when

1924
01:03:30.890 --> 01:03:32.239
I started working with digital

1925
01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:33.240
media,

1926
01:03:34.310 --> 01:03:36.079
I gravitated to sports is not

1927
01:03:36.080 --> 01:03:37.369
because I have a background in it

1928
01:03:37.370 --> 01:03:38.510
like I don't really

1929
01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:42.559
it's actually more because I feel

1930
01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:44.030
like sports is

1931
01:03:45.110 --> 01:03:46.969
I mean as you know is

1932
01:03:46.970 --> 01:03:48.859
is so like important to

1933
01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:50.030
filter in society

1934
01:03:51.140 --> 01:03:53.279
and and because it's so familiar

1935
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:54.280
and.

1936
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.269
People love it or hate it.

1937
01:03:57.270 --> 01:03:59.849
And it means many things, you know,

1938
01:03:59.850 --> 01:04:01.259
like an Glenn Kaino project.

1939
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:03.269
It becomes like the medium

1940
01:04:03.270 --> 01:04:05.459
for a kind of political expression

1941
01:04:05.460 --> 01:04:07.439
in certain historical situations

1942
01:04:09.060 --> 01:04:11.069
by virtue of its popularity, like

1943
01:04:11.070 --> 01:04:12.359
by virtue of the fact that it speaks

1944
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:14.279
to everybody in a way, like

1945
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.109
in some ways, the invisibility

1946
01:04:16.110 --> 01:04:18.119
of my hand as an editor becomes like

1947
01:04:18.120 --> 01:04:20.340
the most complete in in

1948
01:04:21.510 --> 01:04:23.339
when playing with images from the

1949
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:25.259
field of sports like who I am

1950
01:04:25.260 --> 01:04:27.299
and what I'm doing and what effect

1951
01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:30.659
I proposed to have is actually

1952
01:04:30.660 --> 01:04:32.039
overshadowed by like your

1953
01:04:32.040 --> 01:04:34.259
familiarity or hatred

1954
01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:36.149
or love for sports or

1955
01:04:36.150 --> 01:04:37.150
for the athletes.

1956
01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:39.269
So I could be doing like three or

1957
01:04:39.270 --> 01:04:41.099
four or five different things

1958
01:04:41.100 --> 01:04:42.389
and I don't have to reveal myself.

1959
01:04:45.070 --> 01:04:47.019
I mean, in some ways, yeah, no,

1960
01:04:47.020 --> 01:04:48.489
I won't even go on.

1961
01:04:48.490 --> 01:04:50.379
So, I mean, the other thing about

1962
01:04:50.380 --> 01:04:52.029
sports is just that obviously

1963
01:04:52.030 --> 01:04:53.289
athletes are people who live on the

1964
01:04:53.290 --> 01:04:54.519
court.

1965
01:04:54.520 --> 01:04:57.189
They are monetized their

1966
01:04:57.190 --> 01:04:58.190
careers.

1967
01:04:59.090 --> 01:05:00.799
Can be very short and it can be very

1968
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.969
brutal on the body.

1969
01:05:01.970 --> 01:05:03.829
So like axie infinity,

1970
01:05:03.830 --> 01:05:05.659
we're talking about a game that's

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01:05:05.660 --> 01:05:07.699
monetized and that

1972
01:05:07.700 --> 01:05:08.700
the.

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01:05:09.220 --> 01:05:11.079
Most basic biological

1974
01:05:11.080 --> 01:05:13.779
functions of the person

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01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:15.969
become the vehicle

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01:05:15.970 --> 01:05:18.219
for participation in the game.

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01:05:18.220 --> 01:05:20.079
For me, athletes in that

1978
01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:22.270
way, like art, has become

1979
01:05:23.650 --> 01:05:25.059
almost like an every person.

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01:05:26.390 --> 01:05:27.409
Representing all of us

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01:05:28.790 --> 01:05:30.530
the way that we live within.

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01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:33.209
Economic structures.

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01:05:33.210 --> 01:05:34.589
So I'm just going to end by saying

1984
01:05:34.590 --> 01:05:35.590
like.

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01:05:36.730 --> 01:05:38.139
Art world recently

1986
01:05:39.550 --> 01:05:41.229
told me that they talked to a lawyer

1987
01:05:41.230 --> 01:05:42.969
and the lawyers. Now they put the

1988
01:05:42.970 --> 01:05:45.189
fear of possible lawsuit

1989
01:05:45.190 --> 01:05:47.829
around intellectual property

1990
01:05:47.830 --> 01:05:49.539
because of the use of an image like

1991
01:05:49.540 --> 01:05:50.949
Pacquiao.

1992
01:05:50.950 --> 01:05:52.300
And so.

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01:05:53.770 --> 01:05:54.879
For now, we're putting a pause on

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01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:55.779
the project.

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01:05:55.780 --> 01:05:57.759
And then they asked me

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01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:58.989
if I had any other ideas.

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01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:04.059
And I said, I have.

1998
01:06:04.060 --> 01:06:04.899
And I was working on another

1999
01:06:04.900 --> 01:06:06.039
project. I just want to mention it

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01:06:06.040 --> 01:06:07.040
briefly.

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01:06:09.700 --> 01:06:11.049
But I can show you this first.

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01:06:11.050 --> 01:06:12.050
They.

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01:06:12.720 --> 01:06:14.579
I will actually put

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01:06:14.580 --> 01:06:15.449
this on my radar.

2005
01:06:15.450 --> 01:06:17.460
It's a.

2006
01:06:19.140 --> 01:06:21.059
An NFT project called Juneteenth,

2007
01:06:21.060 --> 01:06:23.039
and it seeks to address the kind

2008
01:06:23.040 --> 01:06:25.289
of the disparity between

2009
01:06:25.290 --> 01:06:27.179
black creators on Tik-Tok who invent

2010
01:06:27.180 --> 01:06:29.609
dances that then go viral.

2011
01:06:29.610 --> 01:06:30.869
But other people get the credit for

2012
01:06:30.870 --> 01:06:32.849
them for for the dances.

2013
01:06:32.850 --> 01:06:34.229
They become so popular, they get

2014
01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:35.849
billions of views.

2015
01:06:35.850 --> 01:06:37.139
But the original creator is sort of

2016
01:06:37.140 --> 01:06:38.579
like left in the dust.

2017
01:06:38.580 --> 01:06:39.960
So there's this.

2018
01:06:41.950 --> 01:06:44.019
Project that seeks to

2019
01:06:44.020 --> 01:06:44.589
establish.

2020
01:06:44.590 --> 01:06:46.389
This next bar as my favorite car.

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01:06:46.390 --> 01:06:48.519
And this time you shall

2022
01:06:48.520 --> 01:06:49.359
go on and do the two.

2023
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:51.339
Stay in, cowboy, but

2024
01:06:51.340 --> 01:06:53.229
grab a sweetheart in Spain.

2025
01:06:53.230 --> 01:06:53.949
I want you.

2026
01:06:53.950 --> 01:06:54.809
To hold that.

2027
01:06:54.810 --> 01:06:56.919
What you see is the original

2028
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:58.989
creators are being 3D scanned,

2029
01:06:58.990 --> 01:07:00.909
turned into holograms which can

2030
01:07:00.910 --> 01:07:02.439
be brought into the metaverse and

2031
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.299
can also be distributed to appear

2032
01:07:04.300 --> 01:07:05.590
virtually on your phone

2033
01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:08.589
in whatever background you happen

2034
01:07:08.590 --> 01:07:09.519
to be in.

2035
01:07:09.520 --> 01:07:11.499
So it's about like increased

2036
01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:13.029
circulation.

2037
01:07:13.030 --> 01:07:14.859
And I just have a

2038
01:07:14.860 --> 01:07:15.969
question that I want to put on the

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01:07:15.970 --> 01:07:18.069
table, which is, you know,

2040
01:07:18.070 --> 01:07:20.079
it occurs to me that there

2041
01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:22.089
is a potential discrepancy between

2042
01:07:22.090 --> 01:07:24.099
the sort of social

2043
01:07:24.100 --> 01:07:26.049
justice intentions

2044
01:07:26.050 --> 01:07:28.269
of a project like this

2045
01:07:28.270 --> 01:07:30.309
and what the actual

2046
01:07:30.310 --> 01:07:31.310
effect is.

2047
01:07:32.110 --> 01:07:33.429
And there's a question for me of

2048
01:07:33.430 --> 01:07:36.189
whether the

2049
01:07:36.190 --> 01:07:38.109
tendencies of the medium

2050
01:07:38.110 --> 01:07:40.259
or, say, the mediation.

2051
01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:41.260
Vehicle.

2052
01:07:42.890 --> 01:07:44.509
Which has, in a way, a brain or a

2053
01:07:44.510 --> 01:07:45.530
logic of its own

2054
01:07:47.180 --> 01:07:49.070
and is not human,

2055
01:07:50.510 --> 01:07:51.510
but market driven.

2056
01:07:53.850 --> 01:07:56.489
Could it not possibly overwhelm

2057
01:07:56.490 --> 01:07:58.439
the sort of the humane intentions

2058
01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.440
of a project?

2059
01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:02.149
And so what?

2060
01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:06.419
Oh, I was going to quickly.

2061
01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:07.420
I'm thinking about.

2062
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:09.960
Living statues.

2063
01:08:11.010 --> 01:08:13.799
In the subway and

2064
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.029
how they might be engaged as a

2065
01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:16.030
normal like an.

2066
01:08:17.990 --> 01:08:20.029
A cipher for our current moment.

2067
01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:23.629
These performance who have developed

2068
01:08:23.630 --> 01:08:25.929
the craft to

2069
01:08:25.930 --> 01:08:28.028
be in the midst of people, commuters

2070
01:08:28.029 --> 01:08:30.188
who are going by and stay absolutely

2071
01:08:30.189 --> 01:08:32.108
spell still and

2072
01:08:32.109 --> 01:08:33.909
seek kind of, you know, monetary

2073
01:08:33.910 --> 01:08:35.799
compensation for this

2074
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:36.800
performance.

2075
01:08:37.930 --> 01:08:38.978
And there's a number of them in New

2076
01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:39.979
York that.

2077
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:48.568
I think the fact that they're

2078
01:08:48.569 --> 01:08:50.879
painted gold speaks of like

2079
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:51.880
value.

2080
01:08:53.370 --> 01:08:55.589
The kind of, I don't know, the

2081
01:08:55.590 --> 01:08:57.478
mashing of, like,

2082
01:08:57.479 --> 01:08:58.479
uh.

2083
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:01.829
The the person and the object

2084
01:09:01.830 --> 01:09:03.869
and value and

2085
01:09:03.870 --> 01:09:05.759
almost like a

2086
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.140
borderline like homelessness.

2087
01:09:11.670 --> 01:09:13.559
To me like resonates an on

2088
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:14.760
an uncanny level with.

2089
01:09:16.450 --> 01:09:18.099
You know, what might be like a

2090
01:09:18.100 --> 01:09:19.390
collective sort of future.

2091
01:09:21.649 --> 01:09:22.649
That's a.

2092
01:09:34.939 --> 01:09:35.939
Hello.

2093
01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:39.059
Hello, everyone.

2094
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:42.199
So nice to see all of you today.

2095
01:09:42.200 --> 01:09:44.509
All of your beautiful, nifty,

2096
01:09:44.510 --> 01:09:45.919
curious faces.

2097
01:09:47.240 --> 01:09:48.978
Let's get started, shall we?

2098
01:09:48.979 --> 01:09:49.879
We're going to keep it.

2099
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:51.169
Keep it cute. Keep it fun.

2100
01:09:51.170 --> 01:09:52.170
Oh. Oh.

2101
01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:54.549
I don't know what that was about,

2102
01:09:54.550 --> 01:09:55.269
but.

2103
01:09:55.270 --> 01:09:56.770
I got to ask you to forward.

2104
01:09:58.040 --> 01:09:59.040
Okay.

2105
01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:02.579
Well, here we go.

2106
01:10:02.580 --> 01:10:03.580
Here's me.

2107
01:10:04.350 --> 01:10:05.350
Welcome.

2108
01:10:06.540 --> 01:10:08.519
My name is Sarah Zucker,

2109
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:10.979
a.k.a. the Sarah Show.

2110
01:10:10.980 --> 01:10:12.869
If you spend any time on

2111
01:10:12.870 --> 01:10:14.639
NFT Twitter, you may.

2112
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:16.499
You may recognize my lovely long

2113
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.389
standing avatar here and

2114
01:10:18.390 --> 01:10:20.549
all her lady boss

2115
01:10:20.550 --> 01:10:21.550
finery.

2116
01:10:23.190 --> 01:10:24.809
This is an artwork by my spouse,

2117
01:10:24.810 --> 01:10:26.399
Bronwyn Lundberg.

2118
01:10:26.400 --> 01:10:28.229
And the reason

2119
01:10:28.230 --> 01:10:30.509
I'm here today, I believe,

2120
01:10:30.510 --> 01:10:32.399
is because I have been auditioning

2121
01:10:32.400 --> 01:10:34.469
my artwork as Nfts since early

2122
01:10:34.470 --> 01:10:36.389
2019,

2123
01:10:36.390 --> 01:10:38.459
which has given

2124
01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:40.589
me this

2125
01:10:40.590 --> 01:10:42.419
very unique,

2126
01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:44.609
very psychedelic

2127
01:10:44.610 --> 01:10:46.439
viewpoint

2128
01:10:46.440 --> 01:10:48.509
of this entire phenomenon

2129
01:10:48.510 --> 01:10:51.179
as it began with

2130
01:10:51.180 --> 01:10:53.129
a very small number of

2131
01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:55.919
art nerds like myself,

2132
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.529
just experimenting

2133
01:10:58.530 --> 01:11:00.479
and, you know, blew

2134
01:11:00.480 --> 01:11:02.999
up into the the zeitgeist

2135
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.999
that we all know today.

2136
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.340
So a bit about my artwork.

2137
01:11:10.080 --> 01:11:10.919
This is my art.

2138
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:12.539
And this is this is for Esther, who

2139
01:11:12.540 --> 01:11:13.829
who loves cats, I hear.

2140
01:11:16.230 --> 01:11:17.819
My artwork could be described as

2141
01:11:17.820 --> 01:11:20.399
digital analog video visions.

2142
01:11:22.140 --> 01:11:24.149
I make use of the

2143
01:11:24.150 --> 01:11:26.609
interplay of obsolete

2144
01:11:26.610 --> 01:11:28.649
and cutting edge technology

2145
01:11:28.650 --> 01:11:30.599
to evoke a dimension of my

2146
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:31.890
own imagination.

2147
01:11:33.240 --> 01:11:35.189
I have been working

2148
01:11:35.190 --> 01:11:36.899
with digital and screen based art

2149
01:11:36.900 --> 01:11:39.089
for over a decade now.

2150
01:11:39.090 --> 01:11:40.589
Having started originally as a

2151
01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:42.329
photographer.

2152
01:11:42.330 --> 01:11:43.330
And

2153
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:46.439
I've sort of seen this entire

2154
01:11:46.440 --> 01:11:48.419
moment, you know, of screen based

2155
01:11:48.420 --> 01:11:49.739
art, or as Naito was saying about

2156
01:11:49.740 --> 01:11:51.689
performance art in

2157
01:11:51.690 --> 01:11:53.639
the past, we occupied this

2158
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.589
very strange no

2159
01:11:55.590 --> 01:11:57.569
man's land of the fine art

2160
01:11:57.570 --> 01:11:59.669
landscape where

2161
01:11:59.670 --> 01:12:01.799
folks could, you know, admit, yes,

2162
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:03.269
that is fine art.

2163
01:12:03.270 --> 01:12:05.279
But since we didn't fit neatly

2164
01:12:05.280 --> 01:12:07.199
into the gallery model, it was

2165
01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:09.659
often hard to

2166
01:12:09.660 --> 01:12:11.699
be acknowledged or supported

2167
01:12:11.700 --> 01:12:12.700
as such.

2168
01:12:13.860 --> 01:12:15.329
I've been in Los Angeles for about a

2169
01:12:15.330 --> 01:12:17.579
decade. I used to curate

2170
01:12:17.580 --> 01:12:19.379
a visual music show called PRISM

2171
01:12:19.380 --> 01:12:20.699
Pipe.

2172
01:12:20.700 --> 01:12:23.039
Maybe some of you are aware of

2173
01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:24.629
that. Used to play in Echo Park and

2174
01:12:24.630 --> 01:12:26.459
was a celebration of video

2175
01:12:26.460 --> 01:12:28.709
and gif art at a time

2176
01:12:28.710 --> 01:12:30.539
when animated gifs were

2177
01:12:30.540 --> 01:12:33.119
becoming ubiquitous on the internet.

2178
01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:34.979
And yet those of us

2179
01:12:34.980 --> 01:12:36.869
creating them were still sort of

2180
01:12:36.870 --> 01:12:38.789
being treated like, you know, a

2181
01:12:38.790 --> 01:12:40.859
bunch of punk kids smoking cigars

2182
01:12:40.860 --> 01:12:41.699
behind the gym.

2183
01:12:41.700 --> 01:12:43.589
Like we were not treated

2184
01:12:43.590 --> 01:12:45.449
as serious artists, and it

2185
01:12:45.450 --> 01:12:47.939
was seen as sort of sacrosanct

2186
01:12:47.940 --> 01:12:48.989
in a way. And

2187
01:12:50.070 --> 01:12:51.899
so so my artwork,

2188
01:12:51.900 --> 01:12:53.819
again, I've really leaned

2189
01:12:53.820 --> 01:12:55.919
into the use of

2190
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:57.989
obsolete mediums, specifically

2191
01:12:57.990 --> 01:12:58.990
VHS.

2192
01:13:00.150 --> 01:13:01.679
And it's not just because it looks

2193
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:02.939
cool, though.

2194
01:13:02.940 --> 01:13:04.919
It does look cool.

2195
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:05.920
Thank you.

2196
01:13:06.810 --> 01:13:08.699
It's I see the use of these

2197
01:13:08.700 --> 01:13:10.199
vintage mediums as a type of

2198
01:13:10.200 --> 01:13:12.389
esthetic intervention.

2199
01:13:12.390 --> 01:13:14.309
You know, it takes the viewer it's

2200
01:13:14.310 --> 01:13:16.019
something that's recognizable.

2201
01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:17.519
It's something of our collective

2202
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:18.599
past.

2203
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.249
And so it grabs people.

2204
01:13:20.250 --> 01:13:22.289
It's it's this Trojan horse

2205
01:13:22.290 --> 01:13:24.209
of nostalgia, you know, that that

2206
01:13:24.210 --> 01:13:26.399
makes the viewer sort of open up.

2207
01:13:26.400 --> 01:13:28.349
And then I sneak on

2208
01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:30.179
in there with my little sneaky

2209
01:13:30.180 --> 01:13:31.169
Cheshire Cat.

2210
01:13:31.170 --> 01:13:33.239
Artist ways to bring

2211
01:13:33.240 --> 01:13:35.939
them these ideas that I'm

2212
01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:38.819
channeling from my own experience.

2213
01:13:38.820 --> 01:13:40.919
And so as

2214
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:43.109
an artist who who began auditioning

2215
01:13:43.110 --> 01:13:45.059
my work in this way back

2216
01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:46.140
in 2019,

2217
01:13:47.220 --> 01:13:49.889
I could see from those early days

2218
01:13:49.890 --> 01:13:52.079
that that nfts

2219
01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:54.299
are a very simple technology

2220
01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:55.469
at their base.

2221
01:13:55.470 --> 01:13:57.299
They are simply

2222
01:13:57.300 --> 01:13:59.159
a container that is that

2223
01:13:59.160 --> 01:14:00.149
is all they are.

2224
01:14:00.150 --> 01:14:03.719
And yet that is truly revolutionary,

2225
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:05.279
considering that they are able to

2226
01:14:05.280 --> 01:14:07.889
contain things that previously

2227
01:14:07.890 --> 01:14:09.779
have been considered non

2228
01:14:09.780 --> 01:14:11.129
objects.

2229
01:14:11.130 --> 01:14:13.229
Screen based art is a non

2230
01:14:13.230 --> 01:14:15.449
object based type of artwork,

2231
01:14:15.450 --> 01:14:16.889
therefore it was always very

2232
01:14:16.890 --> 01:14:19.169
difficult to collect in the past.

2233
01:14:19.170 --> 01:14:20.459
It's not to say it wasn't done.

2234
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:21.479
And I know you're going to hear from

2235
01:14:21.480 --> 01:14:23.279
people today who've talked about the

2236
01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:25.439
history of of collecting digital

2237
01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:26.440
and screen based art.

2238
01:14:27.390 --> 01:14:29.249
But it was

2239
01:14:29.250 --> 01:14:31.319
it was not at a large scale, shall

2240
01:14:31.320 --> 01:14:33.329
we say, prior

2241
01:14:33.330 --> 01:14:35.399
to this ability to

2242
01:14:35.400 --> 01:14:37.259
create a container for this type of

2243
01:14:37.260 --> 01:14:38.339
artwork.

2244
01:14:38.340 --> 01:14:40.439
And so in the early

2245
01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:42.389
days and I

2246
01:14:42.390 --> 01:14:44.309
first began releasing my

2247
01:14:44.310 --> 01:14:46.259
work as single editions on

2248
01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:48.629
the Marketplace Superrare in April

2249
01:14:48.630 --> 01:14:50.519
2019. And I've

2250
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.649
had the good fortune to release

2251
01:14:52.650 --> 01:14:54.389
work through many of the major

2252
01:14:54.390 --> 01:14:56.339
platforms and try them

2253
01:14:56.340 --> 01:14:58.199
all out and see see what they all

2254
01:14:58.200 --> 01:15:00.029
have to offer.

2255
01:15:00.030 --> 01:15:01.289
In those early days.

2256
01:15:01.290 --> 01:15:02.290
It was.

2257
01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:05.129
It was something that was in

2258
01:15:05.130 --> 01:15:07.289
theory, a way to get support

2259
01:15:07.290 --> 01:15:09.119
for our artwork

2260
01:15:09.120 --> 01:15:10.859
because we could recognize, you

2261
01:15:10.860 --> 01:15:12.779
know, just as a photographer

2262
01:15:12.780 --> 01:15:14.759
would make a print of a photograph

2263
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:16.409
and then be able to sell that print

2264
01:15:16.410 --> 01:15:18.479
edition to a collector.

2265
01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:19.979
We as digital artists were now

2266
01:15:19.980 --> 01:15:22.079
making these editions

2267
01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:23.789
of our artwork and could sell them

2268
01:15:23.790 --> 01:15:26.249
to theoretical collectors

2269
01:15:26.250 --> 01:15:27.989
that might one day exist.

2270
01:15:29.310 --> 01:15:30.809
I often joke that in those early

2271
01:15:30.810 --> 01:15:33.299
days we were like fractals,

2272
01:15:33.300 --> 01:15:34.199
you know, like that.

2273
01:15:34.200 --> 01:15:35.879
You'd get a pebble from your friend

2274
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:36.899
and you go, Oh, what a beautiful

2275
01:15:36.900 --> 01:15:38.669
pebble. And then you'd you'd go to

2276
01:15:38.670 --> 01:15:39.869
your other artist friend and go,

2277
01:15:39.870 --> 01:15:41.789
Here, I want you to have this

2278
01:15:41.790 --> 01:15:43.499
beautiful pebble.

2279
01:15:43.500 --> 01:15:45.749
Because we were all sort of

2280
01:15:45.750 --> 01:15:47.669
trading the same $50

2281
01:15:47.670 --> 01:15:49.919
worth of Etherium between us and

2282
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.199
collecting each other's editions.

2283
01:15:52.200 --> 01:15:54.389
And why that's

2284
01:15:54.390 --> 01:15:55.379
well, that's incredibly, like,

2285
01:15:55.380 --> 01:15:57.479
adorable, you know, very care bearer

2286
01:15:57.480 --> 01:15:59.459
sort of way of being.

2287
01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:01.259
I look back on it now and realize we

2288
01:16:01.260 --> 01:16:03.899
were essentially establishing

2289
01:16:03.900 --> 01:16:05.879
proof of concept for what has

2290
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.159
now become a multibillion

2291
01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:10.019
dollar market for

2292
01:16:10.020 --> 01:16:12.299
nfts, both in the landscape

2293
01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:14.189
of fine art and and

2294
01:16:14.190 --> 01:16:16.529
in the landscape of collectibles.

2295
01:16:16.530 --> 01:16:18.509
So that's a bit about

2296
01:16:18.510 --> 01:16:20.819
me and my and my history

2297
01:16:20.820 --> 01:16:21.689
with all of this.

2298
01:16:21.690 --> 01:16:23.069
And I've clung on.

2299
01:16:23.070 --> 01:16:24.209
I've clung through it.

2300
01:16:25.350 --> 01:16:26.819
And you've heard others mention that

2301
01:16:26.820 --> 01:16:28.919
that last year was sort of the big

2302
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:30.659
watershed moment.

2303
01:16:30.660 --> 01:16:33.089
In February of last year,

2304
01:16:33.090 --> 01:16:35.399
there was a $69

2305
01:16:35.400 --> 01:16:37.409
million sale of an

2306
01:16:37.410 --> 01:16:39.389
artwork or cumulative artworks

2307
01:16:39.390 --> 01:16:41.610
of the artist people at Christie's.

2308
01:16:42.630 --> 01:16:44.549
And what

2309
01:16:44.550 --> 01:16:46.949
was so strange

2310
01:16:46.950 --> 01:16:48.329
about that to me, and I guess

2311
01:16:48.330 --> 01:16:50.309
unexpected to me as someone

2312
01:16:50.310 --> 01:16:52.529
again who who began

2313
01:16:52.530 --> 01:16:54.689
working with this technology before,

2314
01:16:54.690 --> 01:16:56.249
before Beeple and there were a

2315
01:16:56.250 --> 01:16:57.899
number of us who were back then

2316
01:16:59.370 --> 01:17:01.529
is is I just wasn't

2317
01:17:01.530 --> 01:17:03.479
expecting it all to mature

2318
01:17:03.480 --> 01:17:05.399
as quickly as it did

2319
01:17:05.400 --> 01:17:07.349
and I was not expecting it

2320
01:17:07.350 --> 01:17:10.109
to have the backlash

2321
01:17:10.110 --> 01:17:11.110
that it had,

2322
01:17:11.940 --> 01:17:13.709
not exactly in the way it did.

2323
01:17:13.710 --> 01:17:15.269
And those two things are correlated,

2324
01:17:15.270 --> 01:17:16.319
right?

2325
01:17:16.320 --> 01:17:17.999
I think the fact that this matured

2326
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:19.919
as fast as it is, as fast as

2327
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:21.899
it did, is inextricably

2328
01:17:21.900 --> 01:17:23.729
linked from the coronavirus

2329
01:17:23.730 --> 01:17:24.730
pandemic.

2330
01:17:26.370 --> 01:17:28.229
In March 2020, I had been

2331
01:17:28.230 --> 01:17:30.719
minting my artwork for about a year

2332
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:32.669
at that point, and I don't

2333
01:17:32.670 --> 01:17:35.789
think that it is a coincidence

2334
01:17:35.790 --> 01:17:37.859
that March 2020

2335
01:17:37.860 --> 01:17:40.049
is both the

2336
01:17:40.050 --> 01:17:41.579
point in time when I had to go

2337
01:17:41.580 --> 01:17:43.769
inside like everyone else and

2338
01:17:43.770 --> 01:17:45.449
stop seeing my friends and stop

2339
01:17:45.450 --> 01:17:46.619
going places.

2340
01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:48.089
And it is also the point in time

2341
01:17:48.090 --> 01:17:49.949
where I, for the first time in my

2342
01:17:49.950 --> 01:17:51.719
life as a professional working

2343
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:53.639
artist, began selling my

2344
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:54.989
artwork regularly.

2345
01:17:56.190 --> 01:17:57.190
And,

2346
01:17:59.310 --> 01:18:00.509
you know, it's funny.

2347
01:18:00.510 --> 01:18:01.919
There's an interesting correlation

2348
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:03.359
even to the Renaissance, right?

2349
01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:04.199
If you if you look at the

2350
01:18:04.200 --> 01:18:06.119
Renaissance and a lot of you know,

2351
01:18:06.120 --> 01:18:08.399
there's a lot of very positive

2352
01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:10.289
people in this space

2353
01:18:10.290 --> 01:18:12.239
on Twitter who love to make these

2354
01:18:12.240 --> 01:18:13.739
comparisons to the Renaissance.

2355
01:18:14.790 --> 01:18:16.559
And some of them are maybe a little

2356
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:17.459
overzealous.

2357
01:18:17.460 --> 01:18:19.499
But the one that I think

2358
01:18:19.500 --> 01:18:21.809
holds a lot of water is

2359
01:18:21.810 --> 01:18:23.519
this idea that the Renaissance

2360
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.079
followed the plague.

2361
01:18:25.080 --> 01:18:26.059
Right.

2362
01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:27.719
The Italian high renaissance

2363
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:29.579
followed a plague that like

2364
01:18:29.580 --> 01:18:30.960
decimated Europe.

2365
01:18:32.070 --> 01:18:34.079
And so I think

2366
01:18:34.080 --> 01:18:35.519
in a certain way, we're seeing a

2367
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:36.569
similar thing here.

2368
01:18:36.570 --> 01:18:38.309
There's this interesting push and

2369
01:18:38.310 --> 01:18:40.139
pull in society

2370
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:41.969
that we endured this and

2371
01:18:41.970 --> 01:18:44.729
are continuing to endure this

2372
01:18:44.730 --> 01:18:48.299
very intense social

2373
01:18:48.300 --> 01:18:51.089
juggernaut that was COVID.

2374
01:18:51.090 --> 01:18:53.009
And it

2375
01:18:53.010 --> 01:18:54.869
pushed pushed culture

2376
01:18:54.870 --> 01:18:56.699
like through a Play-Doh spaghetti

2377
01:18:56.700 --> 01:18:58.739
making machine into all these odd

2378
01:18:58.740 --> 01:19:00.809
shapes we weren't expecting.

2379
01:19:00.810 --> 01:19:01.889
And so with the closing of

2380
01:19:01.890 --> 01:19:03.929
galleries, with the cancelation

2381
01:19:03.930 --> 01:19:04.930
of art fairs,

2382
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:07.979
everyone had to go online and

2383
01:19:07.980 --> 01:19:09.929
everyone was terrified

2384
01:19:09.930 --> 01:19:11.639
and looking around and going, Well,

2385
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:12.569
what now?

2386
01:19:12.570 --> 01:19:14.249
What does life look like now?

2387
01:19:14.250 --> 01:19:16.109
And there

2388
01:19:16.110 --> 01:19:18.269
were those of us who were already

2389
01:19:18.270 --> 01:19:20.309
extremely online, and we went,

2390
01:19:20.310 --> 01:19:23.279
Hey, hey, everybody, we're here.

2391
01:19:23.280 --> 01:19:24.449
Come on over. We have something to

2392
01:19:24.450 --> 01:19:25.889
show you.

2393
01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:27.209
And it took about a year.

2394
01:19:27.210 --> 01:19:29.219
And it and it it really took

2395
01:19:29.220 --> 01:19:30.509
it really gained steam.

2396
01:19:31.740 --> 01:19:33.959
So I bring this all up because

2397
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.819
what I want to show you today

2398
01:19:35.820 --> 01:19:37.649
is a series

2399
01:19:37.650 --> 01:19:39.479
I made in March of

2400
01:19:39.480 --> 01:19:40.480
2021.

2401
01:19:42.660 --> 01:19:44.669
My art practice is often

2402
01:19:44.670 --> 01:19:47.159
transmuting intense

2403
01:19:47.160 --> 01:19:49.139
things I am personally grappling

2404
01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:51.089
with into

2405
01:19:51.090 --> 01:19:53.399
humor and joy

2406
01:19:53.400 --> 01:19:55.679
and delightful

2407
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:56.680
weirdness.

2408
01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:59.759
So in March of 2021,

2409
01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:02.069
with all of this grand noise

2410
01:20:02.070 --> 01:20:03.979
sudden. Look around me and

2411
01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:05.989
my own experience of my

2412
01:20:05.990 --> 01:20:07.939
art practice leveling up

2413
01:20:07.940 --> 01:20:10.159
in a very intense

2414
01:20:10.160 --> 01:20:11.599
way.

2415
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.459
I created.

2416
01:20:13.460 --> 01:20:15.729
So I created my series

2417
01:20:15.730 --> 01:20:17.680
called The Cassandra Complex,

2418
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:20.409
which is a story at once, ancient

2419
01:20:20.410 --> 01:20:21.410
and familiar.

2420
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:24.939
This is a style I work with.

2421
01:20:24.940 --> 01:20:26.949
She's not animating, but imagine it.

2422
01:20:28.300 --> 01:20:29.619
This is a style I work with that

2423
01:20:29.620 --> 01:20:30.849
I've developed that I call video

2424
01:20:30.850 --> 01:20:33.219
paintings, and I specifically

2425
01:20:33.220 --> 01:20:35.409
create these using a vintage

2426
01:20:35.410 --> 01:20:37.509
video painter device that I

2427
01:20:37.510 --> 01:20:39.009
begged my parents to get me for

2428
01:20:39.010 --> 01:20:40.899
Hanukkah about every year in

2429
01:20:40.900 --> 01:20:43.149
my childhood

2430
01:20:43.150 --> 01:20:45.459
and eventually got one for myself.

2431
01:20:47.110 --> 01:20:49.119
So it's all created on VHS

2432
01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:51.129
tape. These all exist.

2433
01:20:51.130 --> 01:20:52.839
All my artworks exist physically in

2434
01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:54.399
that way.

2435
01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:56.289
But I like to do this dance

2436
01:20:56.290 --> 01:20:58.539
between the material

2437
01:20:58.540 --> 01:21:00.519
and the spirit realm where

2438
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:02.679
the work becomes digital.

2439
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.019
And so the Cassandra complex

2440
01:21:05.020 --> 01:21:06.999
was the first

2441
01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:08.799
of what I'm now thinking of as sort

2442
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:10.659
of portfolios.

2443
01:21:10.660 --> 01:21:11.679
Again, my background as a

2444
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:13.569
photographer gave me this gift

2445
01:21:13.570 --> 01:21:15.969
entering the NFT space, realizing

2446
01:21:15.970 --> 01:21:17.619
these are just editions.

2447
01:21:17.620 --> 01:21:19.779
That's it's very simple.

2448
01:21:20.860 --> 01:21:22.419
A lot gets made of them like they're

2449
01:21:22.420 --> 01:21:24.039
the second coming or they're the

2450
01:21:24.040 --> 01:21:25.599
Antichrist.

2451
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:26.919
They're editions.

2452
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:27.920
And

2453
01:21:28.810 --> 01:21:30.759
it's really is it's

2454
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:32.349
it's not that big of a deal.

2455
01:21:32.350 --> 01:21:34.209
It is a huge deal, but it's also

2456
01:21:34.210 --> 01:21:35.499
not that big of a deal.

2457
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.659
And so so yeah.

2458
01:21:38.660 --> 01:21:40.329
So the Cassandra complex was

2459
01:21:41.530 --> 01:21:43.359
a way I was already in March of

2460
01:21:43.360 --> 01:21:45.279
2021, starting to see a lot

2461
01:21:45.280 --> 01:21:46.209
of these early works.

2462
01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:47.919
I had released the single editions

2463
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:49.809
I'd released on Superrare

2464
01:21:49.810 --> 01:21:52.089
started reselling secondary

2465
01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:53.919
market sales, and already I

2466
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:56.259
was as an artist contending

2467
01:21:56.260 --> 01:21:58.089
with, okay, it's

2468
01:21:58.090 --> 01:21:59.949
time to evolve my practice a little

2469
01:21:59.950 --> 01:22:01.599
bit. There's a lot of demand for my

2470
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.219
work and it's never been my

2471
01:22:03.220 --> 01:22:05.020
intention to only make.

2472
01:22:06.270 --> 01:22:08.219
Art that is available to

2473
01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:10.949
a very select few

2474
01:22:10.950 --> 01:22:12.659
who are able to afford certain

2475
01:22:12.660 --> 01:22:14.489
levels. And so

2476
01:22:14.490 --> 01:22:16.499
I created this series as

2477
01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:18.329
a way to, again,

2478
01:22:18.330 --> 01:22:19.889
thinking about photography,

2479
01:22:19.890 --> 01:22:21.809
photography portfolios,

2480
01:22:21.810 --> 01:22:23.849
a way of telling a little

2481
01:22:23.850 --> 01:22:25.769
tale, a little allegory

2482
01:22:25.770 --> 01:22:27.719
through my art in these limited

2483
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:29.639
editions. And it began

2484
01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:31.499
with this piece, which I called

2485
01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:33.659
a launch card, the Cassandra

2486
01:22:33.660 --> 01:22:35.399
complex, and this was actually

2487
01:22:35.400 --> 01:22:37.289
available open for

2488
01:22:37.290 --> 01:22:38.339
5 minutes.

2489
01:22:38.340 --> 01:22:39.479
These are sometimes referred to as

2490
01:22:39.480 --> 01:22:40.499
open editions.

2491
01:22:41.610 --> 01:22:43.319
This launch card mechanism is

2492
01:22:43.320 --> 01:22:45.749
something I came up with

2493
01:22:45.750 --> 01:22:47.459
in conjunction with the platform I

2494
01:22:47.460 --> 01:22:48.359
was releasing with.

2495
01:22:48.360 --> 01:22:50.309
This was released on its own

2496
01:22:50.310 --> 01:22:52.259
smart contract, standalone smart

2497
01:22:52.260 --> 01:22:54.089
contract through a platform

2498
01:22:54.090 --> 01:22:55.889
called Blink Art.

2499
01:22:55.890 --> 01:22:58.109
And we wanted to do this idea

2500
01:22:58.110 --> 01:23:00.029
of the launch card

2501
01:23:00.030 --> 01:23:01.379
almost like as though if you were to

2502
01:23:01.380 --> 01:23:03.499
go to a virgin massage of a of

2503
01:23:03.500 --> 01:23:05.189
a show, you would get, you know,

2504
01:23:05.190 --> 01:23:06.749
maybe like an exhibition card, a

2505
01:23:06.750 --> 01:23:08.339
little something that was with some

2506
01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:09.869
artists in time.

2507
01:23:09.870 --> 01:23:11.549
Even those little ephemeral

2508
01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:13.439
postcards become valuable,

2509
01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:15.719
become, you know, collector's items.

2510
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:16.949
And so that was my thinking with

2511
01:23:16.950 --> 01:23:18.839
this. And it was available for point

2512
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:21.569
one, if it was available in a very

2513
01:23:21.570 --> 01:23:23.549
affordable price point for anyone

2514
01:23:23.550 --> 01:23:24.959
who wanted one.

2515
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:26.879
And it was a way then to go, I

2516
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.069
really want people of varying

2517
01:23:29.070 --> 01:23:30.779
levels to be able to participate

2518
01:23:30.780 --> 01:23:31.829
with this mechanism.

2519
01:23:32.940 --> 01:23:35.039
And so a quick primer

2520
01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:36.959
on the Cassandra complex

2521
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:38.279
and what it means if you're

2522
01:23:38.280 --> 01:23:39.749
unfamiliar.

2523
01:23:39.750 --> 01:23:41.699
I often work with myth

2524
01:23:41.700 --> 01:23:43.979
and I kind of infuse

2525
01:23:43.980 --> 01:23:46.019
my personal experience

2526
01:23:46.020 --> 01:23:47.909
and vibe with myth.

2527
01:23:47.910 --> 01:23:49.769
Cassandra was a

2528
01:23:49.770 --> 01:23:51.029
princess of Troy,

2529
01:23:52.350 --> 01:23:54.569
and in the myth,

2530
01:23:54.570 --> 01:23:56.549
the way to sum her up is she

2531
01:23:56.550 --> 01:23:58.529
was given the gift of prophecy

2532
01:23:58.530 --> 01:24:00.720
with the curse to never be believed.

2533
01:24:01.980 --> 01:24:03.899
And so you may

2534
01:24:03.900 --> 01:24:06.389
see where I'm going here with this,

2535
01:24:06.390 --> 01:24:08.369
and I'll start I'll start us off

2536
01:24:08.370 --> 01:24:09.449
here with our.

2537
01:24:09.450 --> 01:24:10.799
Oh, there we go. That's how she

2538
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:11.800
looks.

2539
01:24:15.040 --> 01:24:17.229
So this is the first edition

2540
01:24:17.230 --> 01:24:19.329
in the Cassandra

2541
01:24:19.330 --> 01:24:20.139
complex.

2542
01:24:20.140 --> 01:24:22.629
Apollo's gift surprise.

2543
01:24:22.630 --> 01:24:24.100
This gift is really a curse.

2544
01:24:25.750 --> 01:24:27.789
So Cassandra was, you know,

2545
01:24:27.790 --> 01:24:30.159
a priestess of Apollo,

2546
01:24:30.160 --> 01:24:31.569
and Apollo gave her this.

2547
01:24:31.570 --> 01:24:33.609
This gift of prophecy to go.

2548
01:24:33.610 --> 01:24:34.389
Guess what, girl?

2549
01:24:34.390 --> 01:24:35.679
You can see the future is not

2550
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:36.609
awesome.

2551
01:24:36.610 --> 01:24:38.529
And she was like, Yeah, cool, great.

2552
01:24:38.530 --> 01:24:40.479
And and then he was like,

2553
01:24:40.480 --> 01:24:42.309
also, you know, by the way,

2554
01:24:42.310 --> 01:24:43.659
like, you know, can I get a little

2555
01:24:43.660 --> 01:24:44.679
could I get a little something?

2556
01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:46.149
Something. And she was like, Oh,

2557
01:24:46.150 --> 01:24:48.099
yeah, no. Like, sorry, I don't

2558
01:24:48.100 --> 01:24:49.059
think of you like that.

2559
01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:50.829
Like, I thought we were just

2560
01:24:50.830 --> 01:24:52.269
friends, you know, like, didn't

2561
01:24:52.270 --> 01:24:53.859
realize I, like, had to put out to,

2562
01:24:53.860 --> 01:24:56.259
like, get, you know, fever.

2563
01:24:56.260 --> 01:24:57.489
Cool. Awesome.

2564
01:24:57.490 --> 01:24:58.490
Hashtag me, too.

2565
01:25:00.310 --> 01:25:02.139
And so.

2566
01:25:02.140 --> 01:25:04.029
So this is my little take on that

2567
01:25:04.030 --> 01:25:05.109
of, like, a present.

2568
01:25:05.110 --> 01:25:06.969
A gift that contains a

2569
01:25:06.970 --> 01:25:08.379
little stank on the back.

2570
01:25:08.380 --> 01:25:10.389
And surprise, this gift

2571
01:25:10.390 --> 01:25:11.679
is really a curse.

2572
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.359
Apollo was mad that Cassandra

2573
01:25:13.360 --> 01:25:15.189
wouldn't put out, so he said,

2574
01:25:15.190 --> 01:25:16.509
Oh, okay.

2575
01:25:16.510 --> 01:25:18.399
Well, yeah, you

2576
01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.919
have the gift of prophecy, but

2577
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:22.899
no one's ever going to believe you.

2578
01:25:22.900 --> 01:25:24.729
And so

2579
01:25:24.730 --> 01:25:26.649
that story has played out

2580
01:25:26.650 --> 01:25:28.539
for for people,

2581
01:25:28.540 --> 01:25:30.549
early adopters, early visionaries

2582
01:25:30.550 --> 01:25:32.619
and just, you know, women

2583
01:25:32.620 --> 01:25:34.209
throughout the history of time.

2584
01:25:35.830 --> 01:25:37.089
So this was this was the first

2585
01:25:37.090 --> 01:25:39.099
edition. And then and then

2586
01:25:39.100 --> 01:25:41.509
the second edition in this series,

2587
01:25:41.510 --> 01:25:43.089
it's Cassandra's Vision.

2588
01:25:43.090 --> 01:25:44.829
Oh, the Ecstasy.

2589
01:25:44.830 --> 01:25:46.179
You know, she can see how it all

2590
01:25:46.180 --> 01:25:48.129
connects and what is yet to come.

2591
01:25:48.130 --> 01:25:49.239
This is. This is her.

2592
01:25:49.240 --> 01:25:51.309
My, my, my visionary,

2593
01:25:51.310 --> 01:25:53.409
my version of of Cassandra

2594
01:25:53.410 --> 01:25:54.579
here.

2595
01:25:54.580 --> 01:25:57.099
And, you know,

2596
01:25:57.100 --> 01:25:59.379
I am not saying I am Cassandra.

2597
01:25:59.380 --> 01:26:00.309
I want this.

2598
01:26:00.310 --> 01:26:01.539
You know, it's open for

2599
01:26:01.540 --> 01:26:02.439
interpretation.

2600
01:26:02.440 --> 01:26:04.419
I do think, again,

2601
01:26:04.420 --> 01:26:06.669
knowing when I created this project

2602
01:26:06.670 --> 01:26:08.739
and it was speaking

2603
01:26:08.740 --> 01:26:10.779
to really collectively

2604
01:26:10.780 --> 01:26:12.819
the experience of being an artist,

2605
01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:14.439
having been a professional working

2606
01:26:14.440 --> 01:26:16.539
artist for a decade at that point

2607
01:26:16.540 --> 01:26:18.609
and and knowing

2608
01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:22.719
how revolutionary

2609
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:24.939
this technology would be for artists

2610
01:26:24.940 --> 01:26:27.399
as a class of people

2611
01:26:27.400 --> 01:26:29.319
you saw earlier Naito in

2612
01:26:29.320 --> 01:26:31.509
was showing you things and

2613
01:26:31.510 --> 01:26:33.579
you saw the very first NFT by Kevin

2614
01:26:33.580 --> 01:26:34.809
McCoy.

2615
01:26:34.810 --> 01:26:36.909
It was done through an experiment,

2616
01:26:36.910 --> 01:26:38.799
I believe, at IBM in

2617
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:39.800
New York.

2618
01:26:40.540 --> 01:26:42.429
I saw that in 2014 and

2619
01:26:42.430 --> 01:26:43.449
that was around the time I was

2620
01:26:43.450 --> 01:26:45.549
curating this show, PRISM Pipe of

2621
01:26:45.550 --> 01:26:48.009
of GIF and New Media Artists.

2622
01:26:48.010 --> 01:26:49.569
And I saw these experiments they

2623
01:26:49.570 --> 01:26:51.369
were doing with blockchain.

2624
01:26:51.370 --> 01:26:53.379
The Ethereum blockchain wasn't

2625
01:26:53.380 --> 01:26:56.049
even live yet in 2014

2626
01:26:56.050 --> 01:26:57.050
and.

2627
01:26:57.610 --> 01:26:59.139
It just like clicked for me.

2628
01:26:59.140 --> 01:27:01.299
It was like, Oh my

2629
01:27:01.300 --> 01:27:03.279
God, this is going

2630
01:27:03.280 --> 01:27:05.169
to change

2631
01:27:05.170 --> 01:27:07.059
everything for people who do the

2632
01:27:07.060 --> 01:27:08.889
kind of work that I do.

2633
01:27:08.890 --> 01:27:10.779
And there are a lot of people who

2634
01:27:10.780 --> 01:27:12.579
do the kind of work that I do.

2635
01:27:12.580 --> 01:27:15.639
We get lumped into this

2636
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:17.439
sort of insulting title of being

2637
01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:19.209
called content creators, sort of

2638
01:27:19.210 --> 01:27:21.250
dystopian way of saying artist,

2639
01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:24.999
you know, because historically

2640
01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:26.739
or at least for the during the web

2641
01:27:26.740 --> 01:27:28.689
two era or the social media

2642
01:27:28.690 --> 01:27:30.759
era, we were seen

2643
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:32.949
as the providers of

2644
01:27:32.950 --> 01:27:34.839
the content that

2645
01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:36.849
which is what made people want to go

2646
01:27:36.850 --> 01:27:38.619
on social media.

2647
01:27:38.620 --> 01:27:40.539
And yet we were put in

2648
01:27:40.540 --> 01:27:41.859
this position.

2649
01:27:41.860 --> 01:27:43.389
The artist writer rips made a great

2650
01:27:43.390 --> 01:27:45.279
graph about this that I saw maybe

2651
01:27:45.280 --> 01:27:47.169
around that time that at that

2652
01:27:47.170 --> 01:27:49.269
time, the way we as artists

2653
01:27:49.270 --> 01:27:50.649
who worked in the digital realm

2654
01:27:50.650 --> 01:27:52.539
supported ourselves was we would

2655
01:27:52.540 --> 01:27:54.489
make cool shit and then we would

2656
01:27:54.490 --> 01:27:56.349
wait for emails and that

2657
01:27:56.350 --> 01:27:58.029
was it. It was this sort of faith

2658
01:27:58.030 --> 01:27:59.919
based workflow of if I

2659
01:27:59.920 --> 01:28:01.779
make something cool, if it goes

2660
01:28:01.780 --> 01:28:03.729
a little viral, maybe

2661
01:28:03.730 --> 01:28:05.769
I'll get an email from Doritos

2662
01:28:05.770 --> 01:28:07.839
and they'll ask me to make like a,

2663
01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:09.699
you know, cool ranch chip

2664
01:28:09.700 --> 01:28:11.589
gif and that's how all.

2665
01:28:11.590 --> 01:28:13.299
And then I'll support my art studio.

2666
01:28:13.300 --> 01:28:14.619
That's how I'll make, you know,

2667
01:28:14.620 --> 01:28:15.909
that's how I'll make this work.

2668
01:28:15.910 --> 01:28:17.739
And that's I, I consider myself

2669
01:28:17.740 --> 01:28:19.029
one of the fortunate artists that

2670
01:28:19.030 --> 01:28:20.859
that did sort of

2671
01:28:20.860 --> 01:28:23.109
make that work for a long time.

2672
01:28:24.130 --> 01:28:26.049
And so again, I

2673
01:28:26.050 --> 01:28:29.139
found out about NFT is in 2014,

2674
01:28:29.140 --> 01:28:30.819
the Ethereum blockchain launched in

2675
01:28:30.820 --> 01:28:31.989
2015.

2676
01:28:31.990 --> 01:28:34.299
And that was when I started seeing,

2677
01:28:34.300 --> 01:28:36.039
you know, these, these groups, these

2678
01:28:36.040 --> 01:28:36.939
new media groups.

2679
01:28:36.940 --> 01:28:39.039
I was involved with people starting

2680
01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:41.799
to debate theoretically

2681
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:43.929
what this ability would

2682
01:28:43.930 --> 01:28:45.909
mean for artists, because the

2683
01:28:45.910 --> 01:28:47.799
Ethereum blockchain was also

2684
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:49.509
the advent of what we call smart

2685
01:28:49.510 --> 01:28:50.709
contracts.

2686
01:28:50.710 --> 01:28:52.599
Again, a lot of this can feel very

2687
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.309
arcane.

2688
01:28:54.310 --> 01:28:55.749
Smart contracts are just like

2689
01:28:55.750 --> 01:28:56.889
regular contracts.

2690
01:28:56.890 --> 01:28:58.869
They just exist in a way

2691
01:28:58.870 --> 01:29:00.009
that can be implemented on the

2692
01:29:00.010 --> 01:29:01.119
blockchain.

2693
01:29:01.120 --> 01:29:03.189
And so I just

2694
01:29:03.190 --> 01:29:05.559
knew I was like, the second

2695
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:07.479
this becomes available to me, I have

2696
01:29:07.480 --> 01:29:08.770
to experiment with this.

2697
01:29:09.790 --> 01:29:10.749
I was very involved.

2698
01:29:10.750 --> 01:29:12.709
My work was very has gotten a lot

2699
01:29:12.710 --> 01:29:13.599
of views on Giphy.

2700
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.909
I've had 6.8 billion

2701
01:29:15.910 --> 01:29:17.409
views of my gifs on Giphy.

2702
01:29:17.410 --> 01:29:19.509
That's like almost the population

2703
01:29:19.510 --> 01:29:20.619
of Earth.

2704
01:29:20.620 --> 01:29:22.599
And yet people often

2705
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:24.099
ask me like, well, how much, how

2706
01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:25.749
much money did you make from that?

2707
01:29:25.750 --> 01:29:28.029
And I go, That's going to be

2708
01:29:28.030 --> 01:29:29.349
zero, my friends.

2709
01:29:29.350 --> 01:29:31.299
That's going to be a zero on that.

2710
01:29:31.300 --> 01:29:32.859
And that was just standard.

2711
01:29:32.860 --> 01:29:34.599
And it still is standard for most

2712
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.699
artists that you are paid

2713
01:29:36.700 --> 01:29:38.649
in this faith

2714
01:29:38.650 --> 01:29:42.009
based concept of exposure,

2715
01:29:42.010 --> 01:29:44.259
that your work is seen.

2716
01:29:44.260 --> 01:29:47.349
Therefore you should be grateful.

2717
01:29:47.350 --> 01:29:49.329
And yet the

2718
01:29:49.330 --> 01:29:51.189
image I use for that is like

2719
01:29:51.190 --> 01:29:53.169
having a running faucet that's

2720
01:29:53.170 --> 01:29:54.849
just shooting resources out.

2721
01:29:54.850 --> 01:29:56.799
But you don't have a bucket.

2722
01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:57.639
You don't have a bucket.

2723
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:59.559
You you don't get to collect any

2724
01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:01.059
of those resources.

2725
01:30:01.060 --> 01:30:02.409
You know who does have a bucket

2726
01:30:02.410 --> 01:30:03.410
Facebook.

2727
01:30:04.610 --> 01:30:06.759
So so that's what

2728
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:07.839
we're talking about here.

2729
01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:09.699
It's it's absolutely something

2730
01:30:09.700 --> 01:30:10.700
that

2731
01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:13.239
it's on a social level.

2732
01:30:13.240 --> 01:30:15.099
And to me, this this project

2733
01:30:15.100 --> 01:30:17.049
specifically Cassandra complex

2734
01:30:17.050 --> 01:30:18.639
was speaking to the experience of

2735
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.769
being a member of the artist

2736
01:30:20.770 --> 01:30:22.929
class and having this

2737
01:30:22.930 --> 01:30:25.839
oracular moment of.

2738
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:26.779
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

2739
01:30:26.780 --> 01:30:29.169
Whoa, this little thing is

2740
01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:30.189
going to snowball.

2741
01:30:30.190 --> 01:30:32.199
And it's it means a big, big,

2742
01:30:32.200 --> 01:30:34.089
big difference for artists,

2743
01:30:34.090 --> 01:30:35.680
digital and otherwise.

2744
01:30:36.730 --> 01:30:38.589
Well, so that was the

2745
01:30:38.590 --> 01:30:39.519
fun part of it.

2746
01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:40.689
And then and then.

2747
01:30:43.210 --> 01:30:45.579
And then here's what happens, guys.

2748
01:30:45.580 --> 01:30:46.719
Here's what happened in March of

2749
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:47.589
2021.

2750
01:30:47.590 --> 01:30:50.009
The queen says no.

2751
01:30:50.010 --> 01:30:52.469
She says, absolutely

2752
01:30:52.470 --> 01:30:53.399
not.

2753
01:30:53.400 --> 01:30:55.289
We cannot allow these

2754
01:30:55.290 --> 01:30:57.269
ideas to take hold.

2755
01:30:57.270 --> 01:30:58.739
I don't like it.

2756
01:30:58.740 --> 01:31:00.599
I don't like what it means.

2757
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:03.270
I reject it completely.

2758
01:31:04.410 --> 01:31:05.410
And

2759
01:31:06.540 --> 01:31:07.560
the queen here

2760
01:31:08.610 --> 01:31:09.960
to me represents

2761
01:31:11.280 --> 01:31:12.959
a lot of different folks.

2762
01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.629
And really a sentiment

2763
01:31:15.630 --> 01:31:17.369
more than anything, a sentiment that

2764
01:31:17.370 --> 01:31:19.229
I think, again, like like anything

2765
01:31:19.230 --> 01:31:21.179
myth based is as old as

2766
01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:23.009
humanity itself.

2767
01:31:23.010 --> 01:31:25.410
And that sentiment is one that goes.

2768
01:31:26.500 --> 01:31:28.359
I'm seeing something new

2769
01:31:28.360 --> 01:31:30.699
that I don't understand

2770
01:31:30.700 --> 01:31:33.309
that is definitely changing

2771
01:31:33.310 --> 01:31:35.499
the way the things

2772
01:31:35.500 --> 01:31:37.449
I'm in control

2773
01:31:37.450 --> 01:31:39.879
of are handled.

2774
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:41.769
Therefore, I do not

2775
01:31:41.770 --> 01:31:42.639
want it.

2776
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:44.019
I did not order this.

2777
01:31:44.020 --> 01:31:45.249
Please take this back to the

2778
01:31:45.250 --> 01:31:46.449
kitchen.

2779
01:31:46.450 --> 01:31:48.099
I don't care if this is what's for

2780
01:31:48.100 --> 01:31:49.659
dinner. I don't want it.

2781
01:31:51.580 --> 01:31:52.869
And for me, when I say I was

2782
01:31:52.870 --> 01:31:54.609
surprised by the backlash.

2783
01:31:56.910 --> 01:31:59.129
What really surprised me

2784
01:31:59.130 --> 01:32:00.419
was that.

2785
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:03.300
There were so many

2786
01:32:04.590 --> 01:32:05.939
there were so many people who I had

2787
01:32:05.940 --> 01:32:07.979
long known to be champions

2788
01:32:07.980 --> 01:32:10.979
of the digital arts,

2789
01:32:10.980 --> 01:32:13.019
who when this

2790
01:32:13.020 --> 01:32:14.189
moment happened.

2791
01:32:15.380 --> 01:32:17.179
At this moment, meaning the beeple

2792
01:32:17.180 --> 01:32:19.429
sale the the proverbial

2793
01:32:19.430 --> 01:32:21.449
rock being lifted up,

2794
01:32:21.450 --> 01:32:23.059
all of us little critters being

2795
01:32:23.060 --> 01:32:24.409
exposed to the light.

2796
01:32:27.350 --> 01:32:28.789
People who I had long known to be

2797
01:32:28.790 --> 01:32:30.739
champions of the digital arts

2798
01:32:32.390 --> 01:32:34.639
joined in with the chorus

2799
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:37.339
of voices saying, This is bad

2800
01:32:37.340 --> 01:32:39.319
and these are bad people doing

2801
01:32:39.320 --> 01:32:40.320
this.

2802
01:32:40.990 --> 01:32:41.990
And.

2803
01:32:43.160 --> 01:32:45.169
I got to tell you, my experience

2804
01:32:45.170 --> 01:32:46.369
being there and at that point

2805
01:32:46.370 --> 01:32:48.319
already being very well regarded

2806
01:32:48.320 --> 01:32:50.929
within the community,

2807
01:32:50.930 --> 01:32:52.969
the Neft community, and and

2808
01:32:52.970 --> 01:32:55.459
having again, having a long

2809
01:32:55.460 --> 01:32:57.739
history of my own experience

2810
01:32:57.740 --> 01:32:59.000
in art. At that point,

2811
01:33:00.080 --> 01:33:03.349
it encouraged harm towards artists.

2812
01:33:03.350 --> 01:33:05.149
And people were getting death

2813
01:33:05.150 --> 01:33:07.039
threats. People were being attacked.

2814
01:33:07.040 --> 01:33:09.019
I had a number of artists

2815
01:33:09.020 --> 01:33:10.369
I had curated who I had a good

2816
01:33:10.370 --> 01:33:12.259
relationship with, who

2817
01:33:12.260 --> 01:33:14.209
were sending me violent

2818
01:33:14.210 --> 01:33:15.889
messages saying they thought I was a

2819
01:33:15.890 --> 01:33:17.989
bad person, that I was working

2820
01:33:17.990 --> 01:33:19.399
with this, how dare I work with

2821
01:33:19.400 --> 01:33:21.319
this? Didn't I know that

2822
01:33:21.320 --> 01:33:22.309
it's it's bad.

2823
01:33:22.310 --> 01:33:23.779
Everything about every single thing

2824
01:33:23.780 --> 01:33:25.369
about it is bad.

2825
01:33:25.370 --> 01:33:27.229
And it's something

2826
01:33:27.230 --> 01:33:28.969
that I hope will be discussed more

2827
01:33:28.970 --> 01:33:30.319
today.

2828
01:33:30.320 --> 01:33:32.209
I would by no means tell you that

2829
01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:34.039
this is a perfect technology.

2830
01:33:34.040 --> 01:33:36.439
We are in the dial up modem era

2831
01:33:36.440 --> 01:33:37.429
of this.

2832
01:33:37.430 --> 01:33:40.369
It is clunky, it is inelegant.

2833
01:33:40.370 --> 01:33:42.199
It often does not work the way

2834
01:33:42.200 --> 01:33:43.909
we want it to work.

2835
01:33:43.910 --> 01:33:45.379
As was mentioned, it's not it's

2836
01:33:45.380 --> 01:33:47.269
having difficulty scaling now

2837
01:33:47.270 --> 01:33:48.439
that so many people want to

2838
01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:49.440
participate in it.

2839
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:52.489
But this was something that was

2840
01:33:52.490 --> 01:33:54.349
pioneered by artists.

2841
01:33:54.350 --> 01:33:56.329
And I guarantee you that artists

2842
01:33:56.330 --> 01:33:58.369
are still the ones driving

2843
01:33:58.370 --> 01:33:59.389
it forward.

2844
01:33:59.390 --> 01:34:00.949
They're still the ones taking up

2845
01:34:00.950 --> 01:34:03.139
these tools and and and

2846
01:34:03.140 --> 01:34:05.239
out of their own just artistic

2847
01:34:05.240 --> 01:34:07.099
curiosity, going, Ooh, what can we

2848
01:34:07.100 --> 01:34:08.389
do with this?

2849
01:34:08.390 --> 01:34:10.460
And to me, that's like

2850
01:34:11.690 --> 01:34:13.099
that is one of the most beautiful

2851
01:34:13.100 --> 01:34:15.049
aspects of humanity that we have,

2852
01:34:15.050 --> 01:34:16.939
people like that, who, who get

2853
01:34:16.940 --> 01:34:18.649
that way about the things that scare

2854
01:34:18.650 --> 01:34:21.239
the shit out of everyone else.

2855
01:34:21.240 --> 01:34:22.240
And

2856
01:34:23.090 --> 01:34:24.859
and I guess my feeling on it was

2857
01:34:24.860 --> 01:34:26.509
this sort of thing, specifically

2858
01:34:26.510 --> 01:34:28.579
with seeing arts

2859
01:34:28.580 --> 01:34:30.409
institutions take

2860
01:34:30.410 --> 01:34:33.169
this angle of, you

2861
01:34:33.170 --> 01:34:35.029
know, you know, not those nfts.

2862
01:34:35.030 --> 01:34:37.099
Those are bad, bad

2863
01:34:37.100 --> 01:34:38.929
things by some bad boys.

2864
01:34:38.930 --> 01:34:39.949
Absolutely not.

2865
01:34:39.950 --> 01:34:41.779
Like we are not we

2866
01:34:41.780 --> 01:34:43.639
are not deigning to dirty

2867
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:45.680
our our little paws with those

2868
01:34:47.300 --> 01:34:49.159
in my sort of oracular

2869
01:34:49.160 --> 01:34:51.349
moment, recognizing

2870
01:34:51.350 --> 01:34:53.419
that you're going to have

2871
01:34:53.420 --> 01:34:55.459
to like it's

2872
01:34:55.460 --> 01:34:57.739
it's not going to go away.

2873
01:34:57.740 --> 01:34:59.659
I knew at once this became

2874
01:34:59.660 --> 01:35:01.609
once I started seeing it on CNN, on

2875
01:35:01.610 --> 01:35:03.649
BBC. Like, I was like

2876
01:35:03.650 --> 01:35:05.629
I thought we were like five

2877
01:35:05.630 --> 01:35:07.759
years out from all that happening,

2878
01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:09.589
but COVID, like, put it all into

2879
01:35:09.590 --> 01:35:10.579
overdrive.

2880
01:35:10.580 --> 01:35:12.499
And once the lid was off

2881
01:35:12.500 --> 01:35:14.539
Pandora's box,

2882
01:35:14.540 --> 01:35:15.919
that's Pandora's box.

2883
01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:17.479
You know, you can't put it all back

2884
01:35:17.480 --> 01:35:18.289
in.

2885
01:35:18.290 --> 01:35:20.179
And so this was

2886
01:35:20.180 --> 01:35:21.889
me. This is my this is how this is

2887
01:35:21.890 --> 01:35:23.779
the level of anger that

2888
01:35:23.780 --> 01:35:24.889
I allow myself.

2889
01:35:24.890 --> 01:35:27.619
This a silly

2890
01:35:27.620 --> 01:35:29.749
loser drawing of

2891
01:35:29.750 --> 01:35:31.999
because I was I felt very

2892
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.529
betrayed, in a way, because I've

2893
01:35:33.530 --> 01:35:35.000
always been someone who.

2894
01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:39.189
Yeah. Who cares a lot about about

2895
01:35:39.190 --> 01:35:39.999
the fine arts.

2896
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.000
So.

2897
01:35:42.280 --> 01:35:43.329
So it was just it was.

2898
01:35:43.330 --> 01:35:44.829
It was just something to reckon with

2899
01:35:44.830 --> 01:35:45.969
there.

2900
01:35:45.970 --> 01:35:47.559
And so this is this is the last

2901
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:48.699
edition.

2902
01:35:48.700 --> 01:35:50.529
This is how I processed all of

2903
01:35:50.530 --> 01:35:52.389
this and how I when I sort of put

2904
01:35:52.390 --> 01:35:54.309
my mind to it, how do I think

2905
01:35:54.310 --> 01:35:55.569
this story is going to go?

2906
01:35:55.570 --> 01:35:56.799
And I'm standing here in front of

2907
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:57.609
all of you.

2908
01:35:57.610 --> 01:35:59.439
It's a year later now you're in

2909
01:35:59.440 --> 01:36:00.759
some change.

2910
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:03.189
And I think it has gone exactly

2911
01:36:03.190 --> 01:36:05.019
this way in this

2912
01:36:05.020 --> 01:36:06.069
last edition is called.

2913
01:36:06.070 --> 01:36:07.629
Turns out she was right

2914
01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:11.649
and it's kind of again, it's

2915
01:36:11.650 --> 01:36:13.599
it's it's funny but it's also

2916
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.250
like dork cited

2917
01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:18.069
that this is historically how these

2918
01:36:18.070 --> 01:36:19.299
stories always go.

2919
01:36:19.300 --> 01:36:21.219
You know, the prophet the witch

2920
01:36:21.220 --> 01:36:23.139
gets burnt at the stake, the

2921
01:36:23.140 --> 01:36:25.569
queen gets her head chopped off.

2922
01:36:25.570 --> 01:36:27.279
Meanwhile, the people celebrate the

2923
01:36:27.280 --> 01:36:28.539
new ideas.

2924
01:36:28.540 --> 01:36:30.849
You know that Pandora's box

2925
01:36:30.850 --> 01:36:32.649
is never going to contain everything

2926
01:36:32.650 --> 01:36:34.569
in it again once the ideas are out

2927
01:36:34.570 --> 01:36:35.799
there out.

2928
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:37.479
These are ideas that touch almost

2929
01:36:37.480 --> 01:36:39.309
every aspect of our culture, not

2930
01:36:39.310 --> 01:36:40.719
just fine art.

2931
01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:42.609
This is a better

2932
01:36:42.610 --> 01:36:43.599
mousetrap.

2933
01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:44.979
When I said that smart contracts are

2934
01:36:44.980 --> 01:36:46.539
just contracts.

2935
01:36:46.540 --> 01:36:48.309
That's that's true.

2936
01:36:48.310 --> 01:36:49.569
So when you think about how much of

2937
01:36:49.570 --> 01:36:51.399
our life and society is governed by

2938
01:36:51.400 --> 01:36:53.469
contracts, now that we have

2939
01:36:53.470 --> 01:36:54.470
a more

2940
01:36:56.320 --> 01:36:58.689
ironclad way of enacting

2941
01:36:58.690 --> 01:37:00.609
contracts between people, which

2942
01:37:00.610 --> 01:37:02.379
again, artists are pioneering it

2943
01:37:02.380 --> 01:37:03.729
because as was mentioned, artists

2944
01:37:03.730 --> 01:37:05.859
are the ones who've historically

2945
01:37:05.860 --> 01:37:08.049
been even innovating ways a person

2946
01:37:08.050 --> 01:37:09.050
can get screwed.

2947
01:37:11.170 --> 01:37:13.329
That, you know,

2948
01:37:13.330 --> 01:37:14.769
we are now here a year later.

2949
01:37:14.770 --> 01:37:16.119
And the fact that all of you were

2950
01:37:16.120 --> 01:37:18.309
even here, I think a year ago,

2951
01:37:18.310 --> 01:37:19.839
people would have been scared.

2952
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:21.699
People were scared to even be

2953
01:37:21.700 --> 01:37:23.589
associated with NF TS.

2954
01:37:23.590 --> 01:37:24.939
People were scared because of the

2955
01:37:24.940 --> 01:37:27.009
violence, the the

2956
01:37:27.010 --> 01:37:29.709
activism that was, you know,

2957
01:37:29.710 --> 01:37:31.629
really violence in in

2958
01:37:31.630 --> 01:37:32.630
masquerade

2959
01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:35.769
was so intense and so severe.

2960
01:37:35.770 --> 01:37:37.149
And it's still there's still a lot

2961
01:37:37.150 --> 01:37:39.069
of it that I think people, even if

2962
01:37:39.070 --> 01:37:40.599
they were curious about NF TS

2963
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:42.459
understood that it was one

2964
01:37:42.460 --> 01:37:44.169
of those social no nos.

2965
01:37:44.170 --> 01:37:45.999
It was like, don't

2966
01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:48.189
touch that. That's a scarlet letter.

2967
01:37:48.190 --> 01:37:49.959
Like, you'll be you'll be laughed

2968
01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:52.149
out of your institution

2969
01:37:52.150 --> 01:37:54.459
or laughed out of your house.

2970
01:37:54.460 --> 01:37:55.460
And so

2971
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.289
this is how the story has gone and

2972
01:37:59.290 --> 01:38:00.519
happy to report again.

2973
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:02.109
This is why I say artists as a

2974
01:38:02.110 --> 01:38:03.729
class. This is not a directly

2975
01:38:03.730 --> 01:38:04.730
personal narrative

2976
01:38:05.830 --> 01:38:07.629
that a lot of artists did suffer and

2977
01:38:07.630 --> 01:38:09.129
a lot of artists, specifically of

2978
01:38:09.130 --> 01:38:10.959
marginalized backgrounds,

2979
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:12.639
suffered the most because they were

2980
01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:14.979
asked to answer for this thing

2981
01:38:14.980 --> 01:38:16.299
and they were kind of getting it

2982
01:38:16.300 --> 01:38:18.249
from both sides that

2983
01:38:18.250 --> 01:38:20.619
the NFT space, just like all spaces,

2984
01:38:20.620 --> 01:38:22.329
has issues of inequality.

2985
01:38:22.330 --> 01:38:24.459
That's not unique to it.

2986
01:38:24.460 --> 01:38:26.829
It's just it's humanity.

2987
01:38:26.830 --> 01:38:28.689
It's a space where humans are.

2988
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:31.749
And so.

2989
01:38:31.750 --> 01:38:33.549
I think that here here we are, you

2990
01:38:33.550 --> 01:38:35.109
know, a year later and this is out

2991
01:38:35.110 --> 01:38:36.729
here. And I think that that that is

2992
01:38:36.730 --> 01:38:38.049
a good thing.

2993
01:38:38.050 --> 01:38:39.909
And I'm just glad that

2994
01:38:39.910 --> 01:38:41.589
I was able to be there and I was

2995
01:38:41.590 --> 01:38:43.539
able to document this document,

2996
01:38:43.540 --> 01:38:45.729
this feeling, this experience,

2997
01:38:45.730 --> 01:38:47.379
because nfts are going to become

2998
01:38:47.380 --> 01:38:49.449
more and more and more woven

2999
01:38:49.450 --> 01:38:51.159
into our culture.

3000
01:38:51.160 --> 01:38:53.349
They're going to become less visible

3001
01:38:53.350 --> 01:38:54.969
because they're just going to become

3002
01:38:54.970 --> 01:38:56.139
the, you know, part of the

3003
01:38:56.140 --> 01:38:57.939
infrastructure of how things are run

3004
01:38:57.940 --> 01:39:00.339
in our increasingly digital world.

3005
01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:01.340
And

3006
01:39:02.380 --> 01:39:04.149
it's just been it's been a joy.

3007
01:39:04.150 --> 01:39:05.769
It's been a joy to get to be there

3008
01:39:05.770 --> 01:39:07.359
at the at the front of it, even if

3009
01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:09.309
it was a little bumpy at times.

3010
01:39:09.310 --> 01:39:11.139
So that's all

3011
01:39:11.140 --> 01:39:12.229
I have to say to you today.

3012
01:39:12.230 --> 01:39:14.259
Thank you all for coming out and

3013
01:39:14.260 --> 01:39:15.260
listening.

3014
01:39:18.390 --> 01:39:19.390
It is.

3015
01:39:22.710 --> 01:39:24.210
Hey, let's give it up to artists.

3016
01:39:26.490 --> 01:39:28.319
So, yeah,

3017
01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:29.639
everybody, we ran a little late.

3018
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:32.819
I know, I know. So we're going to

3019
01:39:32.820 --> 01:39:33.719
we're going to finish it since we

3020
01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:34.919
got, like, 13 minutes to do some

3021
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:36.209
questions. You want to ask them a

3022
01:39:36.210 --> 01:39:37.859
quick let's give it up to him again.

3023
01:39:37.860 --> 01:39:38.879
I love artists.

3024
01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:39.899
I love art.

3025
01:39:39.900 --> 01:39:40.889
How dope is that?

3026
01:39:40.890 --> 01:39:41.969
Thanks, Glen.

3027
01:39:41.970 --> 01:39:42.779
Thanks, Paul.

3028
01:39:42.780 --> 01:39:43.839
Thanks, Sarah. Thanks, Mika.

3029
01:39:45.390 --> 01:39:47.279
We'll take, I don't know, one or

3030
01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:49.079
two questions from you.

3031
01:39:49.080 --> 01:39:50.429
I think you guys got microphones

3032
01:39:50.430 --> 01:39:51.839
right Ikoko.

3033
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:53.699
So, you know, just the and

3034
01:39:53.700 --> 01:39:55.049
Sarah really appreciates, you know,

3035
01:39:55.050 --> 01:39:56.729
we rounded out with you and I think

3036
01:39:56.730 --> 01:39:58.559
like it's really interesting.

3037
01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:00.029
I kind of love that analogy, the bit

3038
01:40:00.030 --> 01:40:01.679
that comes up and there you are

3039
01:40:01.680 --> 01:40:03.899
underneath and you get the spotlight

3040
01:40:03.900 --> 01:40:05.369
on you. And, you know, it's one

3041
01:40:05.370 --> 01:40:08.099
thing to be a private scene

3042
01:40:08.100 --> 01:40:10.559
and it's another thing to be exposed

3043
01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:12.239
on the popular media stage in

3044
01:40:12.240 --> 01:40:13.929
general. We all know in social media

3045
01:40:13.930 --> 01:40:15.509
land, whenever the spotlight comes

3046
01:40:15.510 --> 01:40:17.429
out, the trolls come out, the trolls

3047
01:40:17.430 --> 01:40:18.540
come out at night,

3048
01:40:19.710 --> 01:40:21.479
but it can feel like you only, you

3049
01:40:21.480 --> 01:40:22.619
know, the negative space can be

3050
01:40:22.620 --> 01:40:23.619
really overwhelming.

3051
01:40:23.620 --> 01:40:25.319
But I want to just ask for each of

3052
01:40:25.320 --> 01:40:26.939
these artists and if we can all be

3053
01:40:26.940 --> 01:40:28.799
brief, but it

3054
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:30.779
isn't, you know, the artists,

3055
01:40:30.780 --> 01:40:31.829
you know, I would say people, you

3056
01:40:31.830 --> 01:40:32.819
know, if someone's in the art world,

3057
01:40:32.820 --> 01:40:34.049
if they tell you they hate the art

3058
01:40:34.050 --> 01:40:35.699
world, that's the first sign.

3059
01:40:35.700 --> 01:40:37.139
You know, like, oh, you're deep if

3060
01:40:37.140 --> 01:40:38.129
you hate the art world because

3061
01:40:38.130 --> 01:40:40.889
that's that's what artists do.

3062
01:40:40.890 --> 01:40:42.119
But how do you, you know, in terms

3063
01:40:42.120 --> 01:40:43.649
of like keeping going and you,

3064
01:40:43.650 --> 01:40:44.429
Sarah, you were in it.

3065
01:40:44.430 --> 01:40:45.779
But I want to hear from each of you,

3066
01:40:45.780 --> 01:40:47.639
you're how do you navigate

3067
01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.859
the space of like your excitement

3068
01:40:49.860 --> 01:40:51.209
but also navigating your personal

3069
01:40:51.210 --> 01:40:53.369
relationships of a lot of

3070
01:40:53.370 --> 01:40:54.959
conservative ness in the community?

3071
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:56.909
Because you're right, it's not

3072
01:40:56.910 --> 01:40:58.409
embraced. I mean, oh, my God.

3073
01:40:58.410 --> 01:40:59.819
The face of people I talk to when I

3074
01:40:59.820 --> 01:41:00.869
say nft, the look

3075
01:41:02.250 --> 01:41:03.659
like like, oh, my God.

3076
01:41:03.660 --> 01:41:04.660
They're like.

3077
01:41:06.130 --> 01:41:08.059
Oh, God, I have to deal with

3078
01:41:08.060 --> 01:41:09.169
this.

3079
01:41:09.170 --> 01:41:10.459
But anyways, maybe so you can say

3080
01:41:10.460 --> 01:41:11.779
final your idea, but may each of us

3081
01:41:11.780 --> 01:41:13.609
just talk about just like what it's

3082
01:41:13.610 --> 01:41:15.169
like to be in this space personally

3083
01:41:15.170 --> 01:41:16.170
for you bet.

3084
01:41:16.790 --> 01:41:17.790
Sure.

3085
01:41:18.710 --> 01:41:20.779
Yeah. It's I sort of alluded

3086
01:41:20.780 --> 01:41:22.819
to this earlier that the

3087
01:41:22.820 --> 01:41:24.769
NFT space is funny in that it's

3088
01:41:24.770 --> 01:41:26.749
this amalgamation of tech

3089
01:41:26.750 --> 01:41:28.759
people and and some

3090
01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:30.409
art people. But I would say it is

3091
01:41:30.410 --> 01:41:32.479
very different from

3092
01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:34.279
what we would call like the fine art

3093
01:41:34.280 --> 01:41:36.379
space. And there

3094
01:41:36.380 --> 01:41:38.509
is this mode there

3095
01:41:38.510 --> 01:41:40.339
of, for lack of

3096
01:41:40.340 --> 01:41:41.539
a better term, you could call it

3097
01:41:41.540 --> 01:41:43.819
toxic positivity.

3098
01:41:43.820 --> 01:41:44.809
Everything is up.

3099
01:41:44.810 --> 01:41:46.430
Only we're all going to make it.

3100
01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:49.669
Which, you know, speaks to the

3101
01:41:49.670 --> 01:41:51.649
euphoria people feel

3102
01:41:51.650 --> 01:41:53.659
when they're selling art,

3103
01:41:53.660 --> 01:41:55.519
when they're or, you know,

3104
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:56.539
for artists, it's when they're

3105
01:41:56.540 --> 01:41:57.799
selling art. For others, it's when

3106
01:41:57.800 --> 01:41:59.059
they're selling, you know, monkey

3107
01:41:59.060 --> 01:42:00.919
jpegs or whatever, whatever it

3108
01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:03.019
is. And and when the crypto

3109
01:42:03.020 --> 01:42:04.549
prices are going up, up, up, up, up.

3110
01:42:04.550 --> 01:42:06.529
And as we sit here

3111
01:42:06.530 --> 01:42:08.089
today, the crypto prices are going

3112
01:42:08.090 --> 01:42:09.709
down, down, down, down, down.

3113
01:42:09.710 --> 01:42:12.229
And it feels bad.

3114
01:42:12.230 --> 01:42:14.269
And it's kind

3115
01:42:14.270 --> 01:42:16.609
of an interesting

3116
01:42:16.610 --> 01:42:17.599
moment of reckoning.

3117
01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:18.739
And I've been through a number of

3118
01:42:18.740 --> 01:42:20.209
these at this point, having done

3119
01:42:20.210 --> 01:42:22.099
this for three years, it's

3120
01:42:22.100 --> 01:42:23.989
kind of nice in a weird way

3121
01:42:23.990 --> 01:42:25.639
because it's a reset, right?

3122
01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:27.109
It's it's this reset.

3123
01:42:27.110 --> 01:42:29.119
It kind of burns out

3124
01:42:29.120 --> 01:42:31.099
the more disingenuous parts

3125
01:42:31.100 --> 01:42:32.449
of all of it.

3126
01:42:32.450 --> 01:42:34.189
And and it's like anything, right?

3127
01:42:34.190 --> 01:42:35.359
It's like wildfire.

3128
01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:37.639
It's feels very bad

3129
01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:39.949
to experience on a personal level,

3130
01:42:39.950 --> 01:42:41.629
but it's actually part of how an

3131
01:42:41.630 --> 01:42:43.879
ecosystem maintains itself and

3132
01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:45.679
stays healthy over over the long

3133
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:46.759
term.

3134
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:48.739
And so I

3135
01:42:48.740 --> 01:42:49.740
have found

3136
01:42:50.780 --> 01:42:52.999
I'm a sensitive person as artists

3137
01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:54.469
often are.

3138
01:42:54.470 --> 01:42:56.599
And Twitter is like

3139
01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:58.519
jacking your nervous system into

3140
01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:00.439
the nervous system of millions of

3141
01:43:00.440 --> 01:43:01.879
people.

3142
01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:03.709
It can be a little overwhelming.

3143
01:43:03.710 --> 01:43:05.689
So having some

3144
01:43:05.690 --> 01:43:07.459
good boundaries about Twitter and my

3145
01:43:07.460 --> 01:43:09.529
phone has helped me a lot.

3146
01:43:09.530 --> 01:43:11.359
And speaking to this

3147
01:43:11.360 --> 01:43:13.939
idea, you know, of like

3148
01:43:13.940 --> 01:43:16.100
being one of the bad people who

3149
01:43:17.630 --> 01:43:19.760
makes NFT out of my art.

3150
01:43:21.050 --> 01:43:23.149
In a weird way, it's been a gift

3151
01:43:23.150 --> 01:43:25.759
that I was not well-established

3152
01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:27.259
in the world of fine art before

3153
01:43:27.260 --> 01:43:29.299
that, even though I was experienced,

3154
01:43:29.300 --> 01:43:31.459
even though I was conversant

3155
01:43:31.460 --> 01:43:33.319
in the language of it, I

3156
01:43:33.320 --> 01:43:36.229
did not have a long standing.

3157
01:43:36.230 --> 01:43:37.939
I did not have a market for my work.

3158
01:43:37.940 --> 01:43:39.469
I did not have long standing,

3159
01:43:40.670 --> 01:43:42.739
shall I say, galvanized reputation

3160
01:43:42.740 --> 01:43:43.969
in that space.

3161
01:43:43.970 --> 01:43:45.889
And so that ended up for me

3162
01:43:45.890 --> 01:43:48.439
being the right recipe of

3163
01:43:48.440 --> 01:43:50.629
knowing what I was doing without

3164
01:43:50.630 --> 01:43:52.519
having the stakes of

3165
01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:53.809
worrying about what I would be

3166
01:43:53.810 --> 01:43:55.249
sacrificing.

3167
01:43:55.250 --> 01:43:56.959
And so I recognize that now,

3168
01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:58.009
especially for people getting

3169
01:43:58.010 --> 01:43:59.359
involved with all this now, if

3170
01:43:59.360 --> 01:44:01.519
they're coming to it from

3171
01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.949
careers in fine art, having

3172
01:44:03.950 --> 01:44:05.719
perhaps markets for their work, for

3173
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:07.969
their object based work or,

3174
01:44:07.970 --> 01:44:09.469
you know, institutional support in

3175
01:44:09.470 --> 01:44:11.389
other ways, I

3176
01:44:11.390 --> 01:44:13.459
recognize that we have to be mindful

3177
01:44:13.460 --> 01:44:15.139
that that what worked for me isn't

3178
01:44:15.140 --> 01:44:16.519
necessarily going to work for them.

3179
01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:17.749
They have stakes.

3180
01:44:17.750 --> 01:44:19.669
Everybody has their own set

3181
01:44:19.670 --> 01:44:20.899
of stakes. And so

3182
01:44:22.130 --> 01:44:23.989
while it was very unpleasant

3183
01:44:23.990 --> 01:44:25.939
to experience the pushback

3184
01:44:25.940 --> 01:44:28.489
last year and to

3185
01:44:28.490 --> 01:44:29.990
bear the brunt of sort of

3186
01:44:31.100 --> 01:44:33.109
a lot of negativity that was born

3187
01:44:33.110 --> 01:44:35.959
of of what was misinformation.

3188
01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:38.539
Like I said, it's not to say this is

3189
01:44:38.540 --> 01:44:40.609
not still in an elegant

3190
01:44:40.610 --> 01:44:42.349
technology that needs improvement,

3191
01:44:42.350 --> 01:44:44.299
but there was a lot being spread

3192
01:44:44.300 --> 01:44:46.099
around about it that was also not

3193
01:44:46.100 --> 01:44:47.209
factual.

3194
01:44:47.210 --> 01:44:48.619
Sure, it was a lot of sort of

3195
01:44:48.620 --> 01:44:50.299
boogeyman fear mongering.

3196
01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:53.029
Sarah So let me just move to I'm

3197
01:44:53.030 --> 01:44:54.049
just going to keep moving along and

3198
01:44:54.050 --> 01:44:55.819
I appreciate that. And listen, it's

3199
01:44:55.820 --> 01:44:57.709
so crazy because Twitter, I

3200
01:44:57.710 --> 01:44:58.759
mean, we should probably all start

3201
01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:00.859
with a Twitter therapy session

3202
01:45:00.860 --> 01:45:02.659
for all of us just to kind of talk

3203
01:45:02.660 --> 01:45:04.369
about boundaries. Mika, you kind of

3204
01:45:04.370 --> 01:45:05.929
like you were like how did you make

3205
01:45:05.930 --> 01:45:07.819
that transition to like a being a,

3206
01:45:07.820 --> 01:45:09.589
you know, like Gallery two artist?

3207
01:45:10.750 --> 01:45:11.589
Yeah.

3208
01:45:11.590 --> 01:45:12.699
This is on. Yeah. Okay.

3209
01:45:13.850 --> 01:45:15.039
Yeah.

3210
01:45:15.040 --> 01:45:17.649
So I've had an interesting journey,

3211
01:45:17.650 --> 01:45:19.659
but I think, you know, after

3212
01:45:19.660 --> 01:45:21.639
four, ten years,

3213
01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:23.709
just so desperately

3214
01:45:23.710 --> 01:45:26.319
seeking the world's approval

3215
01:45:26.320 --> 01:45:28.329
and getting it to a certain extent

3216
01:45:28.330 --> 01:45:29.649
as an art dealer

3217
01:45:30.850 --> 01:45:33.369
and then having this, you know, like

3218
01:45:33.370 --> 01:45:35.469
almost like a falling out,

3219
01:45:35.470 --> 01:45:37.239
getting kicked out of the garden or

3220
01:45:37.240 --> 01:45:39.549
by choice, but also not,

3221
01:45:39.550 --> 01:45:40.550
um.

3222
01:45:41.350 --> 01:45:42.999
Just becoming really disillusioned

3223
01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.099
with it. Like I basically stopped

3224
01:45:45.100 --> 01:45:46.059
seeking its approval.

3225
01:45:46.060 --> 01:45:47.979
I basically didn't give a fuck.

3226
01:45:47.980 --> 01:45:49.539
Well, the art world thought about

3227
01:45:49.540 --> 01:45:51.489
me. It's like, you know,

3228
01:45:51.490 --> 01:45:53.529
I f you.

3229
01:45:53.530 --> 01:45:55.389
And that

3230
01:45:55.390 --> 01:45:56.979
was great. I was like, it totally

3231
01:45:56.980 --> 01:45:59.169
gave me the freedom

3232
01:45:59.170 --> 01:46:01.119
to go into this and not

3233
01:46:01.120 --> 01:46:02.979
really, like, care what.

3234
01:46:04.120 --> 01:46:05.859
I don't know what people would think

3235
01:46:05.860 --> 01:46:07.839
of about my practice

3236
01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:08.840
or what I was doing.

3237
01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:12.879
And then the irony is, like now

3238
01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:14.829
the art world is coming around to

3239
01:46:14.830 --> 01:46:16.839
me, like now Artsy

3240
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.339
hit me up to like create one of

3241
01:46:18.340 --> 01:46:19.869
their first NFT shows.

3242
01:46:19.870 --> 01:46:21.729
And I'm speaking here and I feel

3243
01:46:21.730 --> 01:46:23.829
like that's always how life works.

3244
01:46:23.830 --> 01:46:26.049
Like the second you stop

3245
01:46:26.050 --> 01:46:27.909
seeking approval is

3246
01:46:27.910 --> 01:46:29.709
when you start to get it.

3247
01:46:29.710 --> 01:46:31.029
That's not true always.

3248
01:46:31.030 --> 01:46:32.030
Certainly.

3249
01:46:33.280 --> 01:46:34.569
You know, obviously there are people

3250
01:46:34.570 --> 01:46:36.189
that don't seek approval and never

3251
01:46:36.190 --> 01:46:38.109
get approval. And that's,

3252
01:46:38.110 --> 01:46:39.819
you know, but it's good you got, you

3253
01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:41.469
know, some some love you

3254
01:46:41.470 --> 01:46:43.329
well-deserved. I'm with you I

3255
01:46:43.330 --> 01:46:44.529
mean certainly the NFT things come a

3256
01:46:44.530 --> 01:46:45.639
little full circle I wouldn't say

3257
01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:46.689
the art world embrace.

3258
01:46:46.690 --> 01:46:48.459
Wait, just a quick question.

3259
01:46:48.460 --> 01:46:49.719
Is there a museum? That's what

3260
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:50.979
museums buying NFT is

3261
01:46:52.540 --> 01:46:54.250
llama what they buy.

3262
01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:04.689
Well. Hey.

3263
01:47:04.690 --> 01:47:06.399
Krista. Kim.

3264
01:47:06.400 --> 01:47:08.049
Oh, that's all right.

3265
01:47:08.050 --> 01:47:09.050
Wait, wait, hold.

3266
01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:13.059
Well, I was on I was on a conference

3267
01:47:13.060 --> 01:47:14.919
with someone from Z camp, and

3268
01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:16.449
they had a digital arts curator.

3269
01:47:16.450 --> 01:47:17.379
And the guy was so funny.

3270
01:47:17.380 --> 01:47:19.269
He's been down the basement of Z cam

3271
01:47:19.270 --> 01:47:21.089
in Berlin. And it's I don't know,

3272
01:47:21.090 --> 01:47:22.689
I bought two Cryptopunks.

3273
01:47:22.690 --> 01:47:23.919
And now the whole museum is

3274
01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:24.920
interested in me.

3275
01:47:27.220 --> 01:47:28.779
They had two cryptopunks, and they

3276
01:47:28.780 --> 01:47:29.919
were like, What?

3277
01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:31.209
What did he buy over there?

3278
01:47:31.210 --> 01:47:32.259
What? How much is that worth?

3279
01:47:32.260 --> 01:47:34.509
What all lets you

3280
01:47:34.510 --> 01:47:35.589
have? You talk to that digital arts

3281
01:47:35.590 --> 01:47:36.549
curator who's been the basement for

3282
01:47:36.550 --> 01:47:37.550
20 years.

3283
01:47:38.620 --> 01:47:39.939
Paul, how's this going with you?

3284
01:47:39.940 --> 01:47:42.189
Proto NFT man?

3285
01:47:42.190 --> 01:47:43.960
Yeah, mostly.

3286
01:47:46.030 --> 01:47:47.620
I feel like there's a lot of.

3287
01:47:48.750 --> 01:47:50.189
Collaboration between formerly

3288
01:47:50.190 --> 01:47:51.299
separate fields.

3289
01:47:51.300 --> 01:47:53.279
I think that's super exciting.

3290
01:47:53.280 --> 01:47:55.109
And I just think, you know,

3291
01:47:55.110 --> 01:47:56.549
the world is changing.

3292
01:47:56.550 --> 01:47:58.469
I'm just I feel like

3293
01:47:58.470 --> 01:48:00.449
it's great

3294
01:48:00.450 --> 01:48:02.609
the sense of like how we

3295
01:48:02.610 --> 01:48:04.649
as people immersed in the change

3296
01:48:04.650 --> 01:48:06.659
as it's happening in real time can

3297
01:48:06.660 --> 01:48:09.089
like bring that into

3298
01:48:09.090 --> 01:48:11.339
form as a voice to participate

3299
01:48:11.340 --> 01:48:13.589
in it. It's freaking awesome.

3300
01:48:13.590 --> 01:48:15.029
Yeah, it's up and down and like,

3301
01:48:15.030 --> 01:48:16.229
people don't know what's going on,

3302
01:48:16.230 --> 01:48:18.179
but, like, that's nothing new.

3303
01:48:18.180 --> 01:48:20.219
Like, in a way, the engagement

3304
01:48:20.220 --> 01:48:21.419
is galvanizing.

3305
01:48:22.620 --> 01:48:24.269
And Glenn, you know, you're full

3306
01:48:24.270 --> 01:48:25.649
circle because, of course, you got

3307
01:48:25.650 --> 01:48:28.049
some Napster pastor

3308
01:48:28.050 --> 01:48:29.969
and then and then you want your art

3309
01:48:29.970 --> 01:48:30.839
and then you got digital.

3310
01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:31.889
I mean, I just want to kind of you

3311
01:48:31.890 --> 01:48:32.699
got a very different kind of

3312
01:48:32.700 --> 01:48:34.589
trajectory that there's a real

3313
01:48:34.590 --> 01:48:35.549
clean fit in a way.

3314
01:48:35.550 --> 01:48:36.659
In a way.

3315
01:48:36.660 --> 01:48:37.769
Yeah. First of all, you're awesome

3316
01:48:37.770 --> 01:48:39.479
at this, and thank you so much.

3317
01:48:39.480 --> 01:48:40.649
This is hilarious and great.

3318
01:48:40.650 --> 01:48:41.919
So everyone give it up for Naito.

3319
01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:42.920
I mean, Jesus.

3320
01:48:43.860 --> 01:48:44.639
Yeah. No, I think.

3321
01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:45.419
Look, I think the art world is

3322
01:48:45.420 --> 01:48:46.919
awesome. It's like a world, though.

3323
01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:48.119
There's good parts and there's bad

3324
01:48:48.120 --> 01:48:49.739
parts, you know? And we get to

3325
01:48:49.740 --> 01:48:51.059
imagine for a living and what a

3326
01:48:51.060 --> 01:48:53.189
crazy thing that we get to actually

3327
01:48:53.190 --> 01:48:54.299
imagine new worlds for a living.

3328
01:48:54.300 --> 01:48:55.589
And I'll be in a room where we're

3329
01:48:55.590 --> 01:48:57.449
talking about speculative futures of

3330
01:48:57.450 --> 01:48:59.579
technologies and economies and

3331
01:48:59.580 --> 01:49:00.479
whatnot in value.

3332
01:49:00.480 --> 01:49:02.369
And and so I will

3333
01:49:02.370 --> 01:49:03.659
just my only bit is

3334
01:49:04.710 --> 01:49:06.299
because Paul referenced, thankfully,

3335
01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:07.829
my magic work as well.

3336
01:49:07.830 --> 01:49:09.299
And, you know, in terms of knowing

3337
01:49:09.300 --> 01:49:10.949
and not knowing. And when I first

3338
01:49:10.950 --> 01:49:12.689
started to work in magic and, you

3339
01:49:12.690 --> 01:49:13.889
know, we have a, you know, Derek

3340
01:49:13.890 --> 01:49:15.329
DelGaudio and I made a big project

3341
01:49:15.330 --> 01:49:17.309
called In and of Itself on Hulu and

3342
01:49:17.310 --> 01:49:18.779
the Good Fire. Thank you for the

3343
01:49:18.780 --> 01:49:19.859
plug. We have a show called The

3344
01:49:19.860 --> 01:49:20.969
Force for the Trees in downtown

3345
01:49:20.970 --> 01:49:22.289
L.A., of course, L.A.

3346
01:49:22.290 --> 01:49:23.759
now. But when we started to think

3347
01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:25.679
about magic, I went to

3348
01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:26.609
meet a magician.

3349
01:49:26.610 --> 01:49:27.929
And the first thing he did is he I'm

3350
01:49:27.930 --> 01:49:29.549
not going to do a piece, but he took

3351
01:49:29.550 --> 01:49:32.039
a coin and he vanished

3352
01:49:32.040 --> 01:49:32.969
into thin air.

3353
01:49:32.970 --> 01:49:33.799
And it was beautiful.

3354
01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:35.289
And the first day I sat down with

3355
01:49:35.290 --> 01:49:37.199
them and and I said, he said,

3356
01:49:37.200 --> 01:49:38.219
I'll show you how to do it. And I

3357
01:49:38.220 --> 01:49:39.389
said, What do we do next? He says.

3358
01:49:39.390 --> 01:49:40.649
He hands me the coin and he says,

3359
01:49:40.650 --> 01:49:42.569
Take this home and learn

3360
01:49:42.570 --> 01:49:44.789
how to pick it up a thousand times.

3361
01:49:44.790 --> 01:49:46.189
And then tomorrow I'll tell you how

3362
01:49:46.190 --> 01:49:47.429
to out of it.

3363
01:49:47.430 --> 01:49:48.509
And I said, That's fantastic.

3364
01:49:48.510 --> 01:49:49.529
I'm going to go do that. Because for

3365
01:49:49.530 --> 01:49:50.609
me, I was like fourth generation

3366
01:49:50.610 --> 01:49:51.809
Japanese-American. That's like wax

3367
01:49:51.810 --> 01:49:52.769
off, wax on stuff.

3368
01:49:52.770 --> 01:49:53.669
Like, I'm like it.

3369
01:49:53.670 --> 01:49:54.719
And so I said, I'll do that.

3370
01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:56.039
But I'm always going to ask you why?

3371
01:49:56.040 --> 01:49:57.029
Because I don't really care about learning

3372
01:49:57.030 --> 01:49:58.229
magic tricks. I care about learning

3373
01:49:58.230 --> 01:49:59.279
the theory.

3374
01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:01.319
And he says, when you are

3375
01:50:01.320 --> 01:50:03.209
in front of an audience and you make

3376
01:50:03.210 --> 01:50:05.129
a coin disappear, you have to

3377
01:50:05.130 --> 01:50:06.839
believe that is dissolving in thin

3378
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:07.859
air.

3379
01:50:07.860 --> 01:50:08.639
Because if you don't believe the

3380
01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:10.469
most, nobody in front of

3381
01:50:10.470 --> 01:50:11.879
you is going to believe more than

3382
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:13.799
you. And I just showed you a punch

3383
01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:16.079
of a resin arms that is

3384
01:50:16.080 --> 01:50:17.789
supposedly a meditation on the

3385
01:50:17.790 --> 01:50:19.169
connectivity of our past, our future

3386
01:50:19.170 --> 01:50:21.179
and postcolonialism.

3387
01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:22.319
And we've talked about all of our

3388
01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:23.369
projects and we don't believe the

3389
01:50:23.370 --> 01:50:24.929
most no one's going to believe more

3390
01:50:24.930 --> 01:50:25.799
than us.

3391
01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:27.059
And so I think that's what I think

3392
01:50:27.060 --> 01:50:28.169
about all this practice.

3393
01:50:28.170 --> 01:50:29.039
And then after years and all this

3394
01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:30.869
landscape and art, you know,

3395
01:50:30.870 --> 01:50:32.099
we have to be the believers in

3396
01:50:32.100 --> 01:50:34.259
charge of our own work,

3397
01:50:34.260 --> 01:50:35.579
of the context from which our work

3398
01:50:35.580 --> 01:50:37.259
is situated and from all of us here

3399
01:50:37.260 --> 01:50:38.879
together. So we are the believers in

3400
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:41.069
charge. And so that's what I think.

3401
01:50:41.070 --> 01:50:41.849
Well, thanks, Glen.

3402
01:50:41.850 --> 01:50:42.659
I really appreciate that.

3403
01:50:42.660 --> 01:50:43.979
And you know what?

3404
01:50:43.980 --> 01:50:45.389
I hate to do this to you, but I do

3405
01:50:45.390 --> 01:50:46.619
want to stay somewhat on time,

3406
01:50:46.620 --> 01:50:47.699
meaning a half hour late.

3407
01:50:48.990 --> 01:50:50.039
Thank you. We're going to cut for

3408
01:50:50.040 --> 01:50:52.469
lunch. Listen, thank you guys

3409
01:50:52.470 --> 01:50:53.249
for coming out.

3410
01:50:53.250 --> 01:50:55.289
I don't know. When's the next thing?

3411
01:50:55.290 --> 01:50:56.579
2:00.

3412
01:50:56.580 --> 01:50:57.359
Grab a bite.

3413
01:50:57.360 --> 01:50:58.619
These artists are available.

3414
01:50:58.620 --> 01:51:00.029
I've got some allow list cards if

3415
01:51:00.030 --> 01:51:01.499
you want to get some I'm shilling

3416
01:51:01.500 --> 01:51:03.369
your you're showing let let's talk

3417
01:51:03.370 --> 01:51:05.279
kind of tease up next be

3418
01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:07.169
tough nifty lunch thank you

3419
01:51:07.170 --> 01:51:08.170
thank you guys.