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Hi, everyone.

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Thank you for joining us for

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tonight's program.

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I'm Erin Christovale, the associate

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curator here at the Hammer Museum,

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and I am thrilled to

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welcome you to this program called

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Mass of Images

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Experimental Music Videos.

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This is actually the first of

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a few programs that we will have

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around our incredible Ulysses

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Jenkins show

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Without Your Interpretation that's

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currently upstairs and on

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view until May 16th.

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The show was curated by myself

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and the wonderful Meg Onli,

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and it is

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the first solo museum

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show for Ulysses ever

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and encompasses over

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50 years of his

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practice as a video artist,

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as a performance artist, as a

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muralist and as everything

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in between because you know artists

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have to hustle.

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Tonight's program is really

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celebrating, I think,

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the texture, the

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esthetic and the fabric

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of Ulysses as works

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and videos.

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Thinking about video as

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a medium and celebrating

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it and thinking

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about some of the music videos.

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You know, one of the things that

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Meg said recently that I thought

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was really profound is thinking

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about Ulysses career

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and the origin story of MTV

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and all those incredible music

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videos that came out in the late 80s

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and the early 90s, and all the sort

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of experimentation that was

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happening around those videos.

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So we have collaborated

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with BlackStar Film Festival,

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which I think deserves a round of

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applause.

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BlackStar Film Festival is a really

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incredible organization based

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in Philadelphia

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who champions black

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voices, narratives, media

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making and people

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of color in general.

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They have a really wonderful

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film festival that happens in Philly

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every year in August, and if you

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ever have a chance, please go.

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yeah, I think they,

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you know, are someone who has also

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supported Ulysses and

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this show and the origin of this

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show.

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I'm going to show two quick clips

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from two of Ulysses's videos.

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One is called

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Without Your Interpretation, and the

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other one is called Inconsequential

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Doggerel.

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And these are the two videos that

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we have sort of based this program

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on tonight.

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incredible panelist

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filmmakers and artists that I deeply

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admire Cauleen

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Smith, Kevin Jerome

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Everson, Sophia Nahli

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Allison and Rashid Zakat,

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and it will be moderated

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by Maori Holmes, who

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is the artistic director of

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BlackStar Film Festival.

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Lastly, I want

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to shout out our public programs

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department and all

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the incredible tech support that

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we're getting tonight.

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We just started to go back

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to in-person programing, so I also

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want to thank all of you too, for

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coming out and sharing

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this experience with us.

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So, yeah, I'm

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going to show these two clips and

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then I'm going to introduce the

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panel. Thank you.

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And before I introduce this panel,

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I want to give a shout out to a VIP

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in the house Ulysses Jenkins

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himself, Ulysses, if you wouldn't

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mind standing up for a second.

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And yeah, without further ado, I'd

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like to introduce Maori,

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Rashid, Colleen,

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Kevin, Sophia,

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and, is that everyone?

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I think that's everyone.

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Thank you, Erin.

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Good evening, everyone.

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My name is Maori.

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So the way the evening is going

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to go for a little bit,

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we're going to have some video

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selections from the artist

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and then we'll enter into a

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roundtable discussion and then we'll

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make some space for Q&A.

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I also want to shout out Sidney,

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who is

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copies of Scene, which is

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a journal of film and visual culture

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outside, and

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they're an issue too.

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Megan Aaron about Ulysses,

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so please

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get a copy. And well,

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without further ado, I think we

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start with Sophia.

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So my collection of videos

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were really inspired by Tucson

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transfer and

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the film La CC by

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Ulysses.

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What I love about Tucson transfer

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is it is the examination

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of identity of blackness,

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but in the dream state.

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Ulysses enters his dream,

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and there are three short stories

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that play out. One is a minstrel

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show. One is

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a preacher giving a sermon, and the

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other is James Brown,

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a performance by James Brown,

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an actor playing James Brown.

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think we find so many of our answers

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within a dream world when

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have to go into our subconscious

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as a way to release

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everything we know from this

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physical realm and just allow

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for there to be a more nuanced

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conversation, one where we feel

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safe and how we are exploring

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our own identity.

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by the role of The Grio.

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I am a native of Los Angeles, so

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watching these these

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videos by Ulysses and

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what does it mean to be agreeable?

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that carries the history, the

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stories that passes it down?

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is everybody dies by New

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Autonoma Perdomo.

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love, love this piece.

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It is a public service

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announcement by the Grim Reaper,

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young black children how they will

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well, two of my pieces also explore

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Black Death, but in a way that

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envisions a future in a way

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that creates a utopia and

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creates another spiritual realm.

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lasisi, which is the documentation

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of the musician performing

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in Venice.

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is, even though there's this

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documentation when we see

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these people dancing, there's this

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beautiful filter effect that's

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happening. And again, for me, it

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feels like we're entering another

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I love how do we push the realm of

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what documentary is?

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a short piece of my

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mom who is a grio,

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and it is an old,

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old piece I found of her online

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performing. And again, what does it

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mean to be the one that introduces

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history that tells a story that

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teaches lessons?

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And then following that, two clips

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from my own films a love song for

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latasha and hallowed ground,

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examining the dreamscape

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of a of a spiritual realm.

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Let's go to everybody.

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You're caught on to the afterlife

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Thursdays at 8:30 a.m.,

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7:30, etc..

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Watch your host rip of

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the Reaper archers the newly

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dead into their new home

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and now the start

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of everybody dies.

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Grim Reaper.

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Did you know that you

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die no matter

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how hard you try?

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Into a lawn, you want the third

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door down the hall on the left,

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they're cookies in the cookie.

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All right, kids, it's time

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to play, what

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the right answer.

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I'm going to pass the mike and

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you tell me

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the right answer.

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Go on, play

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Harry Winkle

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Foods your.

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goodbye.

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those were the wrong

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Death is the right

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answer because everybody

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dies.

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story time to oh

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yeah, what story you got to tell us?

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Well, I'm going to tell you an old

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African tale about needs

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and wants.

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What is the difference?

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Let me see.

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Suppose you were stranded on a

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desert. You had nothing to eat

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and miraculously, in a puff of

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smoke, a genie appears.

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He offers you a tray with a

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nourishing sandwich and a tall

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glass of ice water, or

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a tray with a hot fudge sundae

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and a soda pop.

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I know what what I take.

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the soda?

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better in the till.

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the story. Because.

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She had our eyes

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popping out there makes you think

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like her mother passed

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six years prior, whereas

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her mind at.

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She talked about her mom.

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I think she.

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But get out is so many ways

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by keeping busy, by concentrating

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on school.

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She just tried a little bit harder.

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You just didn't want to end up a

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statistic.

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He would talk about her mom, she

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missed her mom.

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You missed our mom a lot.

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She just told me, you know,

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I remember my mom would.

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Pick me up and give me

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give me like the biggest hugs.

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That's what I remember most about

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her, how she will hug me and the way

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she's met.

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Sasha would always talk about

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when we got older, OK,

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here goes the plan, we

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could still be lawyers that could be

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our day job and we could own

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businesses.

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Because every time we go into

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a store, they either following

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us, giving us dirty looks,

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disrespect and adult, don't you want

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to have something on your own?

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We need like programs.

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We need something where the

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kids of Assad has something to do

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or somewhere to go, and we can start

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up tournaments and basketball

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because she love basketball.

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I used to just go to the parks and

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dance and watch him play,

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and she would be the only girl

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on the court playing basketball

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with these all.

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These big old G's and we play

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games with the kids that were

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young and messy sometimes,

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and we would just have fun.

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A lot of younger kids, they looked

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at her almost like their

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neighborhood big sister.

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She was 19,

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you know,

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and she looked like one of my

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daughter's

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friends.

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Our lives matter.

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Black Lives Matter,

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Black Lives Matter.

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You cannot take my blackness away

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from me.

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There's no way that you should be

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able to go to an

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action.

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Not have a place to stay,

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and as sitting on a bus stop

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on on your way to try to figure out

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your housing,

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be taken and killed.

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That video is haunting.

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She's just dancing and laughing and

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talking in the mirror and just

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being regular like,

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well, she should be free

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and feeling good about herself.

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Somebody took that away from her.

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She was running on sexual violence

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and ended up being vulnerable.

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And there's just not enough spaces

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for vulnerable black girls to

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to be to be safe.

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She loved it so much,

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and

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she deserves to be here.

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I see so many black women

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in her.

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I think about what could have

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been possible in her life,

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who loved her.

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You know, what was

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important to her was she loved

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just her power and her dignity

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when she told her story about

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what happened to her

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publicly.

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And I think about what

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if just.

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Someone would have listen,

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would have been there, would have

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intervened

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in some kind of way.

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I don't know if we have solutions,

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00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:18.679
the necessary

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solutions to patriarchal violence

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yet.

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I want black women particularly

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to be able to live out their wildest

401
00:19:26.390 --> 00:19:27.529
dreams.

402
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And so I hope that we can put more

403
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intention into asking black

404
00:19:31.250 --> 00:19:33.199
women and girls, what does

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it look like to feel safe?

406
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What would need to happen here

407
00:19:36.560 --> 00:19:38.059
for you to feel safe?

408
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How can we embody that?

409
00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:55.690
Thank you, thank you.

410
00:19:57.020 --> 00:19:58.309
Thank you.

411
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I also want to mention what I love

412
00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:01.080
so much.

413
00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:03.679
I think starting off with everybody

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00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.539
dies. It's because it's public

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00:20:05.540 --> 00:20:07.009
access. We understand that it's so

416
00:20:07.010 --> 00:20:09.109
accessible to everyone and I think

417
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maybe with the exception of hallowed

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ground, I wouldn't consider in

419
00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:13.669
there, but all of the others, it

420
00:20:13.670 --> 00:20:15.229
feels very much like communities.

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A part of it, like whatever

422
00:20:16.850 --> 00:20:18.719
resources were available

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00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:20.809
was were used to make it.

424
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And I think that is something that's

425
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so important about the Grio

426
00:20:24.950 --> 00:20:27.529
or video art storytelling

427
00:20:27.530 --> 00:20:29.839
of using what you have

428
00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:31.819
to tell this story to speak to

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00:20:31.820 --> 00:20:32.820
everyone.

430
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Thank you, Rashid.

431
00:20:36.620 --> 00:20:37.620
Hey, y'all.

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00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:39.379
My name is Rashid Zakat.

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I'm a filmmaker and video artist in

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Philly.

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I was really moved

436
00:20:43.970 --> 00:20:45.139
and really excited by

437
00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:47.269
inconsequential doggerel, a

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00:20:47.270 --> 00:20:48.499
part of the piece that y'all have a

439
00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:50.539
chance to check out earlier.

440
00:20:50.540 --> 00:20:51.949
In particular, formerly, it's just

441
00:20:51.950 --> 00:20:53.179
dope. Like, I was looking back and

442
00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:55.429
I'm like, he was doing this in 81.

443
00:20:55.430 --> 00:20:56.659
But being able to pull from the

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00:20:56.660 --> 00:20:58.339
archive, recontextualizing these

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00:20:58.340 --> 00:20:59.929
pieces, using pieces from the

446
00:20:59.930 --> 00:21:01.549
archive and uses piece using pieces

447
00:21:01.550 --> 00:21:03.379
that you shot to kind of

448
00:21:03.380 --> 00:21:04.669
look through these meditations of

449
00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:06.139
what I took of a meditation on

450
00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:08.029
masculinity among a lot

451
00:21:08.030 --> 00:21:09.030
of other things.

452
00:21:10.070 --> 00:21:12.619
And the pieces that I chose,

453
00:21:12.620 --> 00:21:14.299
this is just one long file

454
00:21:14.300 --> 00:21:16.159
hodgepodge of a

455
00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:17.869
mix of my own stuff, stuff.

456
00:21:17.870 --> 00:21:20.239
I've pulled music videos,

457
00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.129
music video remixes, some

458
00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:24.019
video music and just some really

459
00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:25.099
interesting ways. I think people are

460
00:21:25.100 --> 00:21:27.109
really playing with the archive to

461
00:21:27.110 --> 00:21:29.239
create meaning to reinterpret

462
00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:31.009
things that are out there, and I'm

463
00:21:31.010 --> 00:21:32.179
just been fascinated with the clich

464
00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:33.589
off effect as well.

465
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If you're familiar with that principle

466
00:21:34.850 --> 00:21:36.769
of sequencing, right, like one clip

467
00:21:36.770 --> 00:21:38.059
and you have a clip and you have

468
00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:39.109
another clip and you have another

469
00:21:39.110 --> 00:21:40.279
clip after that and the meaning of

470
00:21:40.280 --> 00:21:42.109
that is changed based on

471
00:21:42.110 --> 00:21:44.239
whatever clips you have in sequence.

472
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:45.859
And I'm fascinated of what happens

473
00:21:45.860 --> 00:21:46.729
when you're able to dig into

474
00:21:46.730 --> 00:21:48.439
something that you didn't make and

475
00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.179
pull sort of sections from that to

476
00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:51.679
to create brand new pieces of

477
00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.169
meaning from mom from

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00:21:54.170 --> 00:21:55.369
from from existing work.

479
00:22:00.540 --> 00:22:02.699
How did we get from from

480
00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:04.439
Grandmaster Flash to the message to

481
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.379
where we are now and

482
00:22:06.380 --> 00:22:07.380
in Hip-Hop

483
00:22:08.850 --> 00:22:10.859
again, you have to be logical.

484
00:22:10.860 --> 00:22:12.989
You know, if if I know

485
00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:15.179
in this hotel room they have food

486
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:16.769
every day and I'm knocked on the

487
00:22:16.770 --> 00:22:18.759
door every day to eat

488
00:22:18.760 --> 00:22:20.249
and they tell and it open the door.

489
00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:21.809
Let me see the party.

490
00:22:21.810 --> 00:22:23.759
Let me see like them and salami

491
00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:25.769
all over me, just like throwing

492
00:22:25.770 --> 00:22:26.559
food around.

493
00:22:26.560 --> 00:22:27.749
We're telling me there's no food in

494
00:22:27.750 --> 00:22:30.059
here. You don't see every day.

495
00:22:30.060 --> 00:22:31.709
I'm standing outside trying to sing

496
00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:32.639
my way in.

497
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.659
You know what I'm saying?

498
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:34.709
We are hungry.

499
00:22:34.710 --> 00:22:35.699
Please let us in.

500
00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:37.029
We are hungry, please.

501
00:22:37.030 --> 00:22:38.909
That is, after about a week, that

502
00:22:38.910 --> 00:22:40.289
song is going to change that.

503
00:22:40.290 --> 00:22:41.489
We are hungry.

504
00:22:41.490 --> 00:22:43.559
We need some food at two to three

505
00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:46.199
weeks is like, you know, give me

506
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:47.549
another dollar after.

507
00:22:47.550 --> 00:22:48.899
You mean, just like, you know, I'm

508
00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:50.339
sad, I'm picking the lock, coming

509
00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:51.599
through the door, blasting, you

510
00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:53.459
know, it's like you have you

511
00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:54.899
reached the level you don't want any

512
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:56.759
more? We asked ten years ago, we

513
00:22:56.760 --> 00:22:58.439
was asking with the Panthers, we was

514
00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.029
asking with them, You know, civil

515
00:23:00.030 --> 00:23:01.919
rights movement was asking,

516
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.269
you know, now that those people that

517
00:23:03.270 --> 00:23:04.349
we're asking, they're all dead and

518
00:23:04.350 --> 00:23:05.819
in jail. So now what do you think

519
00:23:05.820 --> 00:23:06.820
we're going to do?

520
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.599
Do you love movie themes like

521
00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:45.729
fast changing

522
00:23:45.730 --> 00:23:48.489
market mean black

523
00:23:48.490 --> 00:23:50.249
or brown sugar?

524
00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:51.879
The ground shook up, got the world

525
00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.140
sweating like beans without

526
00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:57.219
being yellow BlackStar

527
00:23:57.220 --> 00:23:58.539
bootlegs.

528
00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:00.609
Our 18 disc compilation

529
00:24:00.610 --> 00:24:02.619
of movie themes with hits like

530
00:24:02.620 --> 00:24:05.739
Under the Moonlight.

531
00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:07.129
It was just fine.

532
00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:08.289
I

533
00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:12.429
go to the beach right now.

534
00:24:12.430 --> 00:24:13.209
Let's go to the

535
00:24:13.210 --> 00:24:14.979
beach right now.

536
00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:16.299
Bangles and beard have recorded

537
00:24:16.300 --> 00:24:18.849
things for all your favorites, like

538
00:24:18.850 --> 00:24:19.149
If

539
00:24:19.150 --> 00:24:20.380
Beale Street Could Talk.

540
00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:24.419
Tissues out here, struggling

541
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:26.729
financially, locked up, something

542
00:24:26.730 --> 00:24:28.619
he endured, If Beale Street

543
00:24:28.620 --> 00:24:29.620
could talk.

544
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:32.210
You know, he didn't do it.

545
00:24:33.360 --> 00:24:34.829
You know, we didn't do it.

546
00:24:34.830 --> 00:24:36.329
Act now, and you'll get our bonus

547
00:24:36.330 --> 00:24:38.459
civil rights set with hits like

548
00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:41.519
He's a savage, classy

549
00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:43.739
wretch, never

550
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:45.509
dressing child, right?

551
00:24:45.510 --> 00:24:47.339
Folks acting stupid was

552
00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:48.609
hacked.

553
00:24:48.610 --> 00:24:49.799
What's happening now?

554
00:24:49.800 --> 00:24:50.800
He's said.

555
00:24:51.570 --> 00:24:53.549
Call one 800 the L.K.

556
00:24:53.550 --> 00:24:54.550
a state

557
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:56.549
no.

558
00:24:56.550 --> 00:24:57.660
And like the one I've got.

559
00:25:00.670 --> 00:25:02.349
I know I'm not like the one, I've

560
00:25:02.350 --> 00:25:03.350
got

561
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:07.329
a no woman like the one I've

562
00:25:07.330 --> 00:25:08.330
outcome.

563
00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:52.249
Black culture is

564
00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.739
the foundation and

565
00:25:54.740 --> 00:25:57.439
everything push

566
00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:58.449
truth that take

567
00:25:58.450 --> 00:26:00.419
up you make your own you

568
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:02.929
pop, pop, pop there for me, girl.

569
00:26:02.930 --> 00:26:04.909
Oh yes,

570
00:26:04.910 --> 00:26:05.729
baby girl.

571
00:26:05.730 --> 00:26:07.549
Let's show what you pop,

572
00:26:07.550 --> 00:26:09.909
pop, pop, pop,

573
00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:12.539
pop, pop, pop,

574
00:26:12.540 --> 00:26:14.589
pop, pop, pop,

575
00:26:14.590 --> 00:26:15.849
pop, pop,

576
00:26:17.850 --> 00:26:18.999
pop, pop,

577
00:26:20.150 --> 00:26:21.089
pop.

578
00:26:21.090 --> 00:26:22.090
You drop it

579
00:26:23.450 --> 00:26:24.979
after a while, it didn't matter.

580
00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:28.249
How do you make the pill

581
00:26:28.250 --> 00:26:29.529
a cup of tea?

582
00:26:29.530 --> 00:26:31.489
Dad, it was just

583
00:26:31.490 --> 00:26:34.099
about bringing about

584
00:26:34.100 --> 00:26:36.489
change and knowing the

585
00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:37.809
sound of the team.

586
00:26:37.810 --> 00:26:39.679
Yeah, but you probably didn't do

587
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.749
that. You know what can make

588
00:26:41.750 --> 00:26:43.220
you pop up and do that?

589
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.489
No, no, no.

590
00:26:46.490 --> 00:26:48.589
Let's just bring your knees.

591
00:26:48.590 --> 00:26:51.169
And before that by now.

592
00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:52.170
And I, you

593
00:26:53.090 --> 00:26:54.989
know this team again.

594
00:26:54.990 --> 00:26:56.710
You can do.

595
00:27:00.010 --> 00:27:01.400
Maybe to get

596
00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:05.140
a plane make you try

597
00:27:06.570 --> 00:27:09.069
to pitch in on his money

598
00:27:09.070 --> 00:27:11.109
and I got it from my

599
00:27:11.110 --> 00:27:12.110
friend, we got

600
00:27:13.510 --> 00:27:16.389
to pay the man all up is going

601
00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:18.019
to let me go.

602
00:27:18.020 --> 00:27:20.409
You make your way up

603
00:27:20.410 --> 00:27:22.419
there for me if

604
00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.649
I can get paid.

605
00:27:24.650 --> 00:27:26.530
Let's go to

606
00:27:28.180 --> 00:27:29.180
your world.

607
00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:32.900
You drop it.

608
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.299
You drop it off and drop

609
00:27:37.300 --> 00:27:38.300
it

610
00:27:39.560 --> 00:27:40.560
in. Robert

611
00:27:41.530 --> 00:27:42.530
blocking traffic.

612
00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:54.149
I, you

613
00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:55.150
know.

614
00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:23.660
This

615
00:28:28.300 --> 00:28:30.439
being your

616
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.050
very own

617
00:28:36.870 --> 00:28:38.939
view, oh, well,

618
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:40.889
you know, I've

619
00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:42.999
been so that.

620
00:28:46.510 --> 00:28:47.679
That he's gone. How can I

621
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.419
make my teammates better by

622
00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:50.420
practice?

623
00:28:52.580 --> 00:28:54.619
It's not about that at all.

624
00:28:54.620 --> 00:28:55.790
What happens when you lose?

625
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.529
We lose negativity, feed

626
00:28:59.530 --> 00:29:01.869
into my mouth I believe

627
00:29:01.870 --> 00:29:03.249
I can control.

628
00:29:03.250 --> 00:29:04.219
I grew up.

629
00:29:04.220 --> 00:29:05.289
But when you lose?

630
00:29:06.340 --> 00:29:08.619
I can't love

631
00:29:08.620 --> 00:29:11.049
help me be that I am.

632
00:29:11.050 --> 00:29:12.099
But when you lose.

633
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.609
This will go everything,

634
00:29:15.610 --> 00:29:17.709
praise one two,

635
00:29:17.710 --> 00:29:18.710
I said. I feel.

636
00:29:20.090 --> 00:29:22.039
I mean, I fell in world.

637
00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:24.910
I'm tired. I'm hurt, too.

638
00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:28.420
We're talking about a loss.

639
00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:31.709
I lost my best friend.

640
00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:33.569
I lost this year,

641
00:29:33.570 --> 00:29:35.879
I felt everything love

642
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:37.979
my problem missing.

643
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:40.559
I lost, I lost my.

644
00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:42.389
It's about him is about

645
00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:43.469
his going.

646
00:29:43.470 --> 00:29:45.279
We talking about her?

647
00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:47.309
I'm told you, but I'm human

648
00:29:47.310 --> 00:29:48.310
just like you.

649
00:29:49.870 --> 00:29:51.939
That's what all the punches.

650
00:29:51.940 --> 00:29:52.869
Any y'all.

651
00:29:52.870 --> 00:29:54.939
They have a heart and as real

652
00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:56.829
about which I see in life,

653
00:29:56.830 --> 00:29:58.809
y'all know my man.

654
00:29:58.810 --> 00:30:00.159
I love him to death.

655
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.049
Believe me, I'm a go to war

656
00:30:02.050 --> 00:30:02.829
for love.

657
00:30:02.830 --> 00:30:05.349
All I can do is live would hurt.

658
00:30:05.350 --> 00:30:07.179
All I want to do is listen to

659
00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:09.159
my best friend, say,

660
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.160
Go home and

661
00:30:10.990 --> 00:30:13.089
have your lovely life man.

662
00:30:13.090 --> 00:30:14.410
Live it up to the fullest

663
00:30:17.770 --> 00:30:18.770
and

664
00:30:19.590 --> 00:30:21.589
the Stones Break

665
00:30:21.590 --> 00:30:23.289
album you.

666
00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:32.379
My mother never heard

667
00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:34.239
the word that she heard, and if I

668
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.459
could hear the word, it would have

669
00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:37.359
been good.

670
00:30:37.360 --> 00:30:39.219
I'll be like, You

671
00:30:39.220 --> 00:30:41.079
know, I'm going

672
00:30:41.080 --> 00:30:43.359
able to find a cat

673
00:30:43.360 --> 00:30:45.429
sometime back by myself.

674
00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:47.349
I that to make out my I'll pop

675
00:30:47.350 --> 00:30:49.119
up like a pocket on my back.

676
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:52.599
And this man

677
00:30:52.600 --> 00:30:54.279
just like this?

678
00:30:54.280 --> 00:30:55.959
Come on. You know this is bad.

679
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.369
But if you want to take it out on

680
00:30:57.370 --> 00:30:59.109
what you want to change that around

681
00:30:59.110 --> 00:31:00.110
people

682
00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:05.529
like that big big cat

683
00:31:05.530 --> 00:31:07.839
now, Colleen donation by now.

684
00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:10.539
I mean, they can all get no

685
00:31:10.540 --> 00:31:12.609
matter this

686
00:31:12.610 --> 00:31:14.529
thing like everybody's says,

687
00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:18.430
but not like it's just one

688
00:31:19.540 --> 00:31:20.540
man's way

689
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.949
out because I feel abandoned

690
00:31:23.950 --> 00:31:25.419
and Kandis Williams better with a

691
00:31:25.420 --> 00:31:26.919
bad name.

692
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.899
I swear to God kill me when I go

693
00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:31.159
to the door like that because

694
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.459
that they have with you.

695
00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:34.629
Everything is there now.

696
00:31:34.630 --> 00:31:36.189
This guy means

697
00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:41.049
everything that he's going to

698
00:31:41.050 --> 00:31:43.009
have. It's not like it's

699
00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:45.759
worth every.

700
00:31:45.760 --> 00:31:47.319
Since I lost my blood, I've been

701
00:31:47.320 --> 00:31:48.609
feeling like this.

702
00:31:48.610 --> 00:31:49.610
I can tell me that.

703
00:31:50.820 --> 00:31:52.869
I know you've been important.

704
00:31:54.370 --> 00:31:55.719
I just wanted to get my shit.

705
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.849
The family I, I have

706
00:31:57.850 --> 00:31:59.109
two daughters, but

707
00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:02.529
I thought, as if I'm your

708
00:32:02.530 --> 00:32:04.449
daddy. Well, my crown, I said,

709
00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:06.069
is right up on your face, baby.

710
00:32:06.070 --> 00:32:08.079
I just found my cat, all

711
00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:10.589
my son ever fell down

712
00:32:11.620 --> 00:32:13.239
on me like a woman in the hole.

713
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.240
I see a whole

714
00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:17.919
world. In fact,

715
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.719
I know that, you know, I did do

716
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.639
that. But oh, he said, Daddy, I want

717
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.169
to go everywhere you go.

718
00:32:23.170 --> 00:32:25.079
I'm going to blow.

719
00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:26.169
I'm moving slow.

720
00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:27.170
You won't get up.

721
00:32:28.420 --> 00:32:30.200
Oh, wait, a sec,

722
00:32:32.540 --> 00:32:33.409
oh no.

723
00:32:33.410 --> 00:32:34.489
Oh no.

724
00:32:34.490 --> 00:32:37.079
I'm the best, the

725
00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:39.359
easier there

726
00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:40.589
is, I

727
00:32:41.780 --> 00:32:42.780
have

728
00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:45.829
not liked it.

729
00:32:45.830 --> 00:32:47.089
What do you think you're most known

730
00:32:47.090 --> 00:32:48.779
for your acting,

731
00:32:48.780 --> 00:32:50.989
your music or the controversy

732
00:32:50.990 --> 00:32:51.979
that surrounds you?

733
00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:53.959
My big mouth,

734
00:32:55.790 --> 00:32:57.559
my big mouth.

735
00:32:57.560 --> 00:32:59.129
I got a big mouth came out.

736
00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:00.049
I talk from my heart.

737
00:33:00.050 --> 00:33:01.729
I'm real, you know, sound.

738
00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:03.139
Whatever comes, comes.

739
00:33:03.140 --> 00:33:04.879
But my controversy proudly, and it's

740
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.259
not my fault. I'm trying to find my

741
00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:07.429
way in the world, you know, trying

742
00:33:07.430 --> 00:33:09.169
to be somebody instead of just make

743
00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:10.639
money off everybody.

744
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.419
You know what I'm saying?

745
00:33:11.420 --> 00:33:13.339
So I go down past that haven't

746
00:33:13.340 --> 00:33:14.689
been travel before and I usually

747
00:33:14.690 --> 00:33:16.789
mess up, but I learn not

748
00:33:16.790 --> 00:33:18.199
to say I come back stronger.

749
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.339
I'm not talking to the ignorant.

750
00:33:19.340 --> 00:33:20.329
You know what I'm saying?

751
00:33:20.330 --> 00:33:21.439
So obviously

752
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.069
the time

753
00:33:22.070 --> 00:33:23.070
when I.

754
00:34:00.390 --> 00:34:01.390
No.

755
00:34:03.780 --> 00:34:04.679
But also,

756
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:05.999
it's probably way more context I

757
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:06.929
should add to that, but I don't

758
00:34:06.930 --> 00:34:08.239
know. Oh

759
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:11.488
no. I mean, I think generally a lot

760
00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:12.509
of that stuff, some of that stuff is

761
00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:13.859
my work. Some of that stuff is are

762
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:16.109
remixes from from a line.

763
00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:18.029
I'm just really fascinated in kind

764
00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:18.869
of like what Sophia said.

765
00:34:18.870 --> 00:34:20.189
How do you make with what you have,

766
00:34:20.190 --> 00:34:21.718
where you are?

767
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.698
But also how far

768
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:24.479
can video go?

769
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.069
What can we do with it technically?

770
00:34:26.070 --> 00:34:27.359
To really start to introduce feeling

771
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.309
and emotion in all

772
00:34:29.310 --> 00:34:30.718
sorts of places and hopefully

773
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:31.719
unexpected places?

774
00:34:32.850 --> 00:34:34.229
Thank you,

775
00:34:34.230 --> 00:34:35.369
Kevin. All right.

776
00:34:35.370 --> 00:34:36.569
Yeah.

777
00:34:36.570 --> 00:34:37.979
I guess you can play the first

778
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.029
video. Yeah.

779
00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:42.899
I've got to go door to door,

780
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.759
but that's the pitch as

781
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:45.760
well, everything

782
00:34:46.940 --> 00:34:48.388
that Smith went off with.

783
00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.249
So Bob, get just to

784
00:34:50.250 --> 00:34:51.250
the point

785
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.718
that guns

786
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.968
really came back with a

787
00:34:56.969 --> 00:34:59.049
golf cart push that

788
00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:01.229
went off of to possibly

789
00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:02.230
plausible

790
00:35:04.620 --> 00:35:06.569
weapons of Rock Creek

791
00:35:06.570 --> 00:35:08.549
Park before play.

792
00:35:08.550 --> 00:35:10.619
Well, I was never quite on the

793
00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:12.209
floor of what I thought was like a

794
00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:14.069
quarter of my stuff,

795
00:35:14.070 --> 00:35:16.229
but the best in the back

796
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:17.230
who blew the luck.

797
00:35:19.620 --> 00:35:21.539
Yes, I always like chewing this

798
00:35:21.540 --> 00:35:23.579
kind of crazy video by Mick Redman.

799
00:35:23.580 --> 00:35:25.589
It's from this song called

800
00:35:25.590 --> 00:35:27.299
Hardcore Day. When he was, he was a

801
00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:29.189
young man at the time it was

802
00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:30.839
on on Eric

803
00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:34.169
EPMD, the album's unfinished

804
00:35:34.170 --> 00:35:35.549
business, and the song Hardcore.

805
00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:37.199
So that's the verse of a third

806
00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:38.939
verse. But what I like about it and

807
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:41.189
I like about Ulysses Jenkins

808
00:35:41.190 --> 00:35:43.259
work is that the fact that

809
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:45.479
the song and the performer

810
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:46.709
is like the kind of figure ground

811
00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:47.669
relationship.

812
00:35:47.670 --> 00:35:49.889
So Redman,

813
00:35:49.890 --> 00:35:51.809
a.k.a. Reggie Noble, is from Newark,

814
00:35:51.810 --> 00:35:52.799
New Jersey.

815
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.629
So, you know, he shot it in

816
00:35:54.630 --> 00:35:55.630
an abandoned,

817
00:35:57.210 --> 00:35:58.289
you know, areas in New York.

818
00:35:58.290 --> 00:35:59.669
New Jersey still haven't been built

819
00:35:59.670 --> 00:36:01.949
back since the 60s like uprising,

820
00:36:01.950 --> 00:36:02.759
so to speak.

821
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.559
So the whole idea of performing in

822
00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:05.889
front of that kind of landscape and

823
00:36:05.890 --> 00:36:08.099
this like kind of with the Jenkins

824
00:36:08.100 --> 00:36:09.699
films were in front of the watch.

825
00:36:09.700 --> 00:36:10.889
So, you know, there was a

826
00:36:10.890 --> 00:36:12.629
performance, but there's more like

827
00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:14.069
more the landscape is part of it, so

828
00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:15.749
it's going to figure ground relationship.

829
00:36:15.750 --> 00:36:17.039
And these two gentlemen here a

830
00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:18.040
Bootsy Collins,

831
00:36:18.930 --> 00:36:20.549
Cincinnati native, Cincinnati, Ohio

832
00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:22.319
native, and George Clinton.

833
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.479
There's a Plainfield, New Jersey

834
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.699
native. And the fact that where

835
00:36:26.700 --> 00:36:27.779
they started creating the kind of

836
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.009
Parliament Funkadelic when I was

837
00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:31.019
young, like there was,

838
00:36:31.020 --> 00:36:32.279
you know, Christmas came twice a

839
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.839
year, the summer the Funkadelic

840
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:34.889
album came out.

841
00:36:34.890 --> 00:36:37.649
And and then in December,

842
00:36:37.650 --> 00:36:39.509
the album came out

843
00:36:39.510 --> 00:36:41.159
for like three years in a row.

844
00:36:41.160 --> 00:36:42.659
And then so the fact that I like

845
00:36:42.660 --> 00:36:44.159
these two artists because it gave

846
00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:45.779
you the kind of space where you can

847
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.219
imagine this stuff and you know

848
00:36:47.220 --> 00:36:49.019
where things can happen.

849
00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:50.849
All right. In the next slide,

850
00:36:50.850 --> 00:36:52.009
I think, yeah.

851
00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:53.789
Yes, I'm going to show clips from

852
00:36:53.790 --> 00:36:55.649
some of the films that I've made

853
00:36:55.650 --> 00:36:57.749
that that are about kind of sonic

854
00:36:57.750 --> 00:36:59.369
relationships with the landscape.

855
00:36:59.370 --> 00:37:01.319
So figure grambling judgeships

856
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:02.820
at of Virginia, where I teach

857
00:37:05.100 --> 00:37:07.169
the smartest person there is a

858
00:37:07.170 --> 00:37:08.429
professor collecting it, Harold.

859
00:37:08.430 --> 00:37:10.319
So we so we collaborated on

860
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.819
a bunch of films about the history

861
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:13.199
of African-Americans at the

862
00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:14.519
University of Virginia,

863
00:37:15.660 --> 00:37:17.279
and we have about an hour worth of

864
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.469
film, some a show, three

865
00:37:19.470 --> 00:37:20.549
clips of them.

866
00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:21.749
And this one is called Black Bus

867
00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:24.419
Stop. And it's basically

868
00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:25.949
the African-American student started

869
00:37:25.950 --> 00:37:26.939
named it the black bus.

870
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.709
That was a where they can hang out.

871
00:37:28.710 --> 00:37:29.999
So we made this kind of.

872
00:37:32.030 --> 00:37:33.409
Kind of magical realism.

873
00:37:34.430 --> 00:37:36.619
It just like to go and transfer

874
00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:38.029
was just kind of magical realism

875
00:37:38.030 --> 00:37:40.219
kind of music version

876
00:37:40.220 --> 00:37:41.689
of the black bus stop, but then we

877
00:37:41.690 --> 00:37:43.249
used fraternity and sorority.

878
00:37:43.250 --> 00:37:44.959
So I think this is the second gamma

879
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.969
rose and the accused.

880
00:37:46.970 --> 00:37:49.069
So you can play this clip

881
00:37:49.070 --> 00:37:51.020
in nineteen twenty two.

882
00:37:53.390 --> 00:37:54.390
Connie Butler you.

883
00:37:56.850 --> 00:37:57.850
That found

884
00:38:03.110 --> 00:38:04.110
as the son

885
00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:09.900
of.

886
00:38:22.580 --> 00:38:24.629
And on the

887
00:38:24.630 --> 00:38:25.630
street

888
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:29.719
and Upwork to

889
00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:31.559
audience cope.

890
00:38:32.640 --> 00:38:34.529
There's no at the

891
00:38:34.530 --> 00:38:36.899
end, though,

892
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:39.029
because the snow

893
00:38:39.030 --> 00:38:41.729
is blowing.

894
00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:43.679
I'll be working for

895
00:38:43.680 --> 00:38:44.680
my next year

896
00:38:45.930 --> 00:38:47.939
and I'll be working till my body

897
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.940
is home.

898
00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:51.689
And I'm grateful that I

899
00:38:51.690 --> 00:38:53.579
know because my

900
00:38:53.580 --> 00:38:55.599
soul is blue and gold.

901
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.340
But

902
00:39:01.740 --> 00:39:03.419
you saw the

903
00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:12.119
use of.

904
00:39:15.660 --> 00:39:16.850
Oh,

905
00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:19.959
oh,

906
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:21.939
you saw it goes,

907
00:39:21.940 --> 00:39:24.039
Oh, when didn't

908
00:39:24.040 --> 00:39:26.349
see us, i

909
00:39:26.350 --> 00:39:28.419
p h i oh

910
00:39:28.420 --> 00:39:29.529
my god.

911
00:39:29.530 --> 00:39:31.349
What it does

912
00:39:31.350 --> 00:39:33.509
is this

913
00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:35.799
is the I.

914
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.049
I think that's

915
00:39:38.050 --> 00:39:39.119
why it goes up.

916
00:39:39.120 --> 00:39:41.419
Oh yes.

917
00:39:41.420 --> 00:39:43.389
Yes, I

918
00:39:43.390 --> 00:39:45.159
yes, I.

919
00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:46.360
Oh, make you suck.

920
00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:49.849
Yeah, yeah, so that one's, you know,

921
00:39:49.850 --> 00:39:51.819
like again, like we wanted

922
00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:53.139
to create this kind of magical

923
00:39:53.140 --> 00:39:54.729
realism where they're where their

924
00:39:54.730 --> 00:39:56.109
fraternities had their own kind of

925
00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:58.329
step show we have down in the south

926
00:39:58.330 --> 00:40:00.579
and and in the Midwest.

927
00:40:00.580 --> 00:40:02.319
And then the step show was performed

928
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.789
in front of this kind of sacred

929
00:40:03.790 --> 00:40:05.259
space called the Black Bus Stop.

930
00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:06.939
And I think Kahlil Pedersen is here.

931
00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:08.049
He helped worked on it.

932
00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:10.029
And again, our forte

933
00:40:10.030 --> 00:40:11.889
did the choreography for

934
00:40:11.890 --> 00:40:13.209
that particular film, who lives out

935
00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:14.379
here in Pasadena.

936
00:40:14.380 --> 00:40:16.569
And then so this next film is called

937
00:40:16.570 --> 00:40:17.529
Hampton.

938
00:40:17.530 --> 00:40:19.209
And again, we make films about, you

939
00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.189
know, people's stories and events

940
00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:23.019
about, you know,

941
00:40:23.020 --> 00:40:24.309
the African-American student at the

942
00:40:24.310 --> 00:40:25.539
University of Virginia.

943
00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:26.800
And then there was a

944
00:40:28.430 --> 00:40:30.519
gospel choir called Black Voices,

945
00:40:30.520 --> 00:40:31.929
and in in in in.

946
00:40:31.930 --> 00:40:33.369
In the '90s they went to like

947
00:40:33.370 --> 00:40:34.819
Hampton University to perform, so

948
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:35.979
they felt like rock star.

949
00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:37.929
So we made this film based

950
00:40:37.930 --> 00:40:39.789
on this kind of magical

951
00:40:39.790 --> 00:40:41.619
realism film. Where were

952
00:40:41.620 --> 00:40:43.449
there the bus driver kind

953
00:40:43.450 --> 00:40:45.039
of sings to them, kind of protects

954
00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:47.199
them to bring them back safely from

955
00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:48.199
from this going to rain.

956
00:40:48.200 --> 00:40:49.239
So he saw this clip

957
00:40:51.430 --> 00:40:53.289
owns the Commodores song

958
00:40:53.290 --> 00:40:56.199
Anne Ellegood from

959
00:40:56.200 --> 00:40:57.200
the South.

960
00:41:09.080 --> 00:41:10.080
I'll be.

961
00:41:15.580 --> 00:41:17.889
I

962
00:41:17.890 --> 00:41:18.890
think.

963
00:41:21.490 --> 00:41:22.490
So

964
00:41:24.070 --> 00:41:26.089
she is

965
00:41:26.090 --> 00:41:27.090
I.

966
00:41:36.060 --> 00:41:37.060
Now.

967
00:41:37.970 --> 00:41:39.140
I.

968
00:41:41.290 --> 00:41:42.659
Is that?

969
00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:48.599
Wherever.

970
00:41:56.870 --> 00:41:58.360
And you got to walk.

971
00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:01.469
Walk.

972
00:42:01.470 --> 00:42:02.480
Oh.

973
00:42:05.470 --> 00:42:07.729
Ted Cruz

974
00:42:07.730 --> 00:42:09.849
has the

975
00:42:11.180 --> 00:42:12.260
West.

976
00:42:13.930 --> 00:42:15.599
The I have and

977
00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:20.620
I know it's child

978
00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:23.300
abuse.

979
00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:28.769
So should

980
00:42:28.770 --> 00:42:29.770
end that.

981
00:42:32.140 --> 00:42:34.050
To be thankful.

982
00:42:39.230 --> 00:42:42.379
She says

983
00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:43.380
and.

984
00:42:48.180 --> 00:42:50.379
You all that you know

985
00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:51.380
now.

986
00:42:55.970 --> 00:42:56.970
Is.

987
00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:04.310
You've done it by so.

988
00:43:05.930 --> 00:43:07.320
She's.

989
00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:10.120
Is.

990
00:43:19.240 --> 00:43:21.069
Yeah, yeah, so.

991
00:43:21.070 --> 00:43:22.899
Yes. And that was a Sandy Williams

992
00:43:22.900 --> 00:43:24.759
who was a talented sculptor and

993
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:25.899
he was a singer and stuff, so we

994
00:43:25.900 --> 00:43:27.909
brought him back to the do to

995
00:43:27.910 --> 00:43:29.019
play the bus driver and stuff.

996
00:43:29.020 --> 00:43:30.789
And this particular film is kind of

997
00:43:30.790 --> 00:43:32.229
had changed stories.

998
00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:34.209
I think 1973 the African-American

999
00:43:34.210 --> 00:43:36.219
students picked up Sly

1000
00:43:36.220 --> 00:43:37.269
and the family stone from the

1001
00:43:37.270 --> 00:43:38.589
airport.

1002
00:43:38.590 --> 00:43:41.349
And actually,

1003
00:43:41.350 --> 00:43:43.059
Lexi kind of changed stories because

1004
00:43:43.060 --> 00:43:44.949
once we first, we heard that

1005
00:43:44.950 --> 00:43:46.119
the African-American students picked

1006
00:43:46.120 --> 00:43:48.009
up Sly the family something airport.

1007
00:43:48.010 --> 00:43:50.709
And then he was unhappy

1008
00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:53.019
because it was cold

1009
00:43:53.020 --> 00:43:54.729
and they all crammed into a student

1010
00:43:54.730 --> 00:43:56.259
car, whatever, so to speak.

1011
00:43:56.260 --> 00:43:58.329
But we found out later

1012
00:43:58.330 --> 00:44:00.369
through other stories that the cat

1013
00:44:00.370 --> 00:44:01.599
that they picked up from the airport

1014
00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:03.429
wasn't sly because

1015
00:44:03.430 --> 00:44:05.289
like, it's fine for

1016
00:44:05.290 --> 00:44:06.249
being late or some like that.

1017
00:44:06.250 --> 00:44:08.259
So they had a stunt sly.

1018
00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.119
So and I remember you said we were

1019
00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:11.149
at the kinds of man, but that one

1020
00:44:11.150 --> 00:44:12.159
the brother we picked up from the

1021
00:44:12.160 --> 00:44:13.239
airport anyway.

1022
00:44:13.240 --> 00:44:14.799
So the so the film has another

1023
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:15.939
meaning now that we heard this

1024
00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:17.799
story. But but anyway, so we

1025
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:19.709
just, yeah,

1026
00:44:19.710 --> 00:44:21.429
yeah, I can. And then we use a

1027
00:44:21.430 --> 00:44:23.649
slightly sly song in the background

1028
00:44:23.650 --> 00:44:24.650
so he could play this.

1029
00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:31.260
We do know.

1030
00:44:32.240 --> 00:44:34.389
Fuel this day

1031
00:44:34.390 --> 00:44:35.390
out

1032
00:44:36.290 --> 00:44:37.290
day at

1033
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.889
the U.

1034
00:44:39.890 --> 00:44:40.909
S..

1035
00:44:42.530 --> 00:44:44.119
But I'm about to

1036
00:44:44.120 --> 00:44:46.429
go and get,

1037
00:44:46.430 --> 00:44:48.709
you know, stay

1038
00:44:48.710 --> 00:44:49.699
here.

1039
00:44:49.700 --> 00:44:52.609
Got a big me.

1040
00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:54.559
You'll never be in

1041
00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:56.479
doubt. That's what it's

1042
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.459
all about.

1043
00:44:58.460 --> 00:45:00.739
Can't take it for granted

1044
00:45:00.740 --> 00:45:02.139
and somehow

1045
00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:05.369
count the days

1046
00:45:05.370 --> 00:45:05.679
up.

1047
00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:06.699
Gov.

1048
00:45:06.700 --> 00:45:07.700
Jerry

1049
00:45:09.230 --> 00:45:10.249
Brown is out.

1050
00:45:11.270 --> 00:45:12.270
Oh wow.

1051
00:45:13.750 --> 00:45:14.810
Oh wow.

1052
00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:39.310
Yes.

1053
00:45:43.420 --> 00:45:45.809
Now when?

1054
00:45:45.810 --> 00:45:46.829
See me

1055
00:45:46.830 --> 00:45:48.119
again.

1056
00:45:48.120 --> 00:45:50.519
Yes, you have banned.

1057
00:45:50.520 --> 00:45:53.159
Can the person really

1058
00:45:53.160 --> 00:45:53.969
now,

1059
00:45:53.970 --> 00:45:54.970
did you really

1060
00:45:55.740 --> 00:45:57.839
get to get in straight?

1061
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:59.669
How could I have to be

1062
00:45:59.670 --> 00:46:01.189
late?

1063
00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:03.659
I wanted to take out

1064
00:46:03.660 --> 00:46:04.660
SAT.

1065
00:46:06.450 --> 00:46:08.459
How could you ever allow?

1066
00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:09.659
I sound?

1067
00:46:11.850 --> 00:46:14.069
Get out of the park.

1068
00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:16.449
Find out how

1069
00:46:16.450 --> 00:46:18.809
we know that you never

1070
00:46:18.810 --> 00:46:19.810
know.

1071
00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:22.880
No one is

1072
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:26.280
quite

1073
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:28.920
be good.

1074
00:46:30.470 --> 00:46:32.419
I wish I could get

1075
00:46:32.420 --> 00:46:33.420
this message

1076
00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:36.030
that.

1077
00:46:46.160 --> 00:46:48.349
Yeah, and until I cast

1078
00:46:48.350 --> 00:46:50.299
by hairstyles, so

1079
00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:52.109
I bike around campus and see

1080
00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:53.419
students with afros like you want to

1081
00:46:53.420 --> 00:46:54.679
be in these films.

1082
00:46:54.680 --> 00:46:56.029
So anyways, that's how we do it.

1083
00:46:56.030 --> 00:46:57.169
And then also we use the drama

1084
00:46:57.170 --> 00:46:58.579
department to use their costumes and

1085
00:46:58.580 --> 00:47:00.439
stuff and and for those

1086
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.279
particular films.

1087
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.139
But and as of the last one clip

1088
00:47:03.140 --> 00:47:04.669
I'm going to show is a film that I

1089
00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:05.670
just finished.

1090
00:47:06.410 --> 00:47:08.269
That is again going back to George

1091
00:47:08.270 --> 00:47:09.499
Clinton. Like, this film is called

1092
00:47:09.500 --> 00:47:11.719
Hazel and it's about Eddie Hazel.

1093
00:47:11.720 --> 00:47:13.609
It's my version of a biopic, I guess

1094
00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:15.679
whatever. And in four years,

1095
00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:17.599
I thought that George Clinton

1096
00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:20.029
told Eddie Hazel,

1097
00:47:20.030 --> 00:47:21.589
Like you, man, your mama died.

1098
00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:23.719
And then he went and played

1099
00:47:23.720 --> 00:47:25.819
the maggot brain solo.

1100
00:47:25.820 --> 00:47:27.709
No, it was actually

1101
00:47:27.710 --> 00:47:28.969
that he told in the play.

1102
00:47:28.970 --> 00:47:30.349
As if your mama died.

1103
00:47:30.350 --> 00:47:32.449
Yeah, but I'm going

1104
00:47:32.450 --> 00:47:34.339
with the mythology, whatever, so

1105
00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:36.529
to speak, because for me,

1106
00:47:36.530 --> 00:47:39.619
when Eddie Hazel goes into

1107
00:47:39.620 --> 00:47:41.479
the booth and then does the

1108
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.429
solo, he brings back

1109
00:47:43.430 --> 00:47:44.989
his mom to life. So I always want

1110
00:47:44.990 --> 00:47:46.789
art to be this kind of resurrection,

1111
00:47:46.790 --> 00:47:48.379
so to speak. Ever since my son

1112
00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:49.849
passed away, I always want to kind

1113
00:47:49.850 --> 00:47:51.709
of do art, some some kind of art

1114
00:47:51.710 --> 00:47:52.819
to kind of be this kind of

1115
00:47:52.820 --> 00:47:53.719
resurrection.

1116
00:47:53.720 --> 00:47:55.189
So I'm going with the origin of the

1117
00:47:55.190 --> 00:47:56.989
story that I've always heard for.

1118
00:47:56.990 --> 00:47:59.299
For what forever

1119
00:47:59.300 --> 00:48:00.889
was that? He, you know, like the

1120
00:48:00.890 --> 00:48:02.629
solo brings back his mom the life.

1121
00:48:02.630 --> 00:48:04.549
So just to burden

1122
00:48:04.550 --> 00:48:05.869
his film, like, I'm going to show

1123
00:48:05.870 --> 00:48:07.849
the dual projection version

1124
00:48:07.850 --> 00:48:09.889
by the main, but the single

1125
00:48:09.890 --> 00:48:11.209
production version is 23 minutes

1126
00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:13.219
long and is basically key because

1127
00:48:13.220 --> 00:48:15.019
the solo is a 10 minute clip, so

1128
00:48:15.020 --> 00:48:16.280
it's like a full magazine.

1129
00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:19.489
So, yeah, so

1130
00:48:19.490 --> 00:48:21.289
yeah. So then the solo he becomes

1131
00:48:21.290 --> 00:48:23.179
more, you know, he's like, kind

1132
00:48:23.180 --> 00:48:24.199
of morning, so to speak when he

1133
00:48:24.200 --> 00:48:25.039
brings mom back.

1134
00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:26.999
But let's play the clip.

1135
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.309
Yeah, yeah.

1136
00:48:28.310 --> 00:48:29.310
Thanks, brother.

1137
00:50:28.120 --> 00:50:30.039
So anyway, yeah, so, yeah,

1138
00:50:30.040 --> 00:50:31.869
so, yeah, yeah, so

1139
00:50:31.870 --> 00:50:34.009
that's the Ricky Goldman, he's

1140
00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:35.259
like an actor and he's been in a

1141
00:50:35.260 --> 00:50:37.659
bunch of my films before, and then

1142
00:50:37.660 --> 00:50:39.369
they're basically paid for six

1143
00:50:39.370 --> 00:50:41.259
months of guitar lessons for him

1144
00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:42.909
because because he is a musician.

1145
00:50:42.910 --> 00:50:44.319
But then he didn't play guitar, so

1146
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:45.459
he wanted to learn the solo.

1147
00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:47.329
So yeah, so anyway,

1148
00:50:47.330 --> 00:50:48.639
yeah, thanks.

1149
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.689
Well, play,

1150
00:50:52.690 --> 00:50:53.679
I'm coming at you.

1151
00:50:53.680 --> 00:50:54.680
Yeah.

1152
00:50:56.350 --> 00:50:57.350
Thank you, Kevin.

1153
00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:00.969
So this

1154
00:51:00.970 --> 00:51:02.829
was a very experimental assignment

1155
00:51:02.830 --> 00:51:04.719
that we gave to everyone, and

1156
00:51:05.770 --> 00:51:08.229
it was there was no instructions.

1157
00:51:08.230 --> 00:51:09.999
So they all have very different

1158
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:10.779
things that they shared.

1159
00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:12.489
But I mean, amazingly awesome.

1160
00:51:12.490 --> 00:51:13.699
Really super relevant.

1161
00:51:13.700 --> 00:51:15.399
So thank you.

1162
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.229
I wanted to just kind

1163
00:51:17.230 --> 00:51:19.359
of start with a general question

1164
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:20.439
to each of you

1165
00:51:21.730 --> 00:51:23.050
and ask you.

1166
00:51:26.470 --> 00:51:27.639
Well, one of the things that I

1167
00:51:27.640 --> 00:51:29.079
noticed in all these clips was

1168
00:51:29.080 --> 00:51:30.369
particularly with Sophia and

1169
00:51:30.370 --> 00:51:31.269
Rasheed.

1170
00:51:31.270 --> 00:51:33.459
This like replication of the texture

1171
00:51:33.460 --> 00:51:34.929
of video.

1172
00:51:34.930 --> 00:51:36.689
And I know that Colleen and Kevin

1173
00:51:36.690 --> 00:51:37.899
had worked with VIDEO a lot.

1174
00:51:37.900 --> 00:51:39.519
So I just like to ask you all like

1175
00:51:39.520 --> 00:51:41.499
what is it about video that

1176
00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:44.529
has attracted you as makers?

1177
00:51:44.530 --> 00:51:47.800
Mm hmm.

1178
00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:51.429
First of all, can I just say that

1179
00:51:51.430 --> 00:51:53.559
BlackStar album that Rashid made

1180
00:51:53.560 --> 00:51:55.719
was a fucking brilliant?

1181
00:51:55.720 --> 00:51:57.099
How do I get a copy?

1182
00:51:57.100 --> 00:51:58.480
How do I get a copy of that?

1183
00:52:00.220 --> 00:52:01.569
Also, I just want to say I couldn't

1184
00:52:01.570 --> 00:52:02.619
help watching your video.

1185
00:52:02.620 --> 00:52:04.479
Think about the always on beat trend

1186
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:06.159
like Whitney always on beat Beyoncé

1187
00:52:06.160 --> 00:52:07.359
always. And B, I know we got some

1188
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:08.769
Whitney stans in the audience and I

1189
00:52:08.770 --> 00:52:09.939
was like, Oh my God, that's what

1190
00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:11.199
social media does. Black folks

1191
00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:12.879
understand all the connections.

1192
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.319
They see how everything is in

1193
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.320
conversation.

1194
00:52:16.450 --> 00:52:18.489
To your question, Maori, for

1195
00:52:18.490 --> 00:52:20.409
me, I think particularly

1196
00:52:20.410 --> 00:52:22.659
with a love song for Latasha VIDEO

1197
00:52:22.660 --> 00:52:24.489
felt like

1198
00:52:24.490 --> 00:52:26.289
a home movie. It felt intimate.

1199
00:52:26.290 --> 00:52:28.539
It felt personal.

1200
00:52:28.540 --> 00:52:29.979
It felt protective.

1201
00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:31.809
You know, when when it is a home

1202
00:52:31.810 --> 00:52:33.609
video you trust the people that are

1203
00:52:33.610 --> 00:52:34.419
recording this.

1204
00:52:34.420 --> 00:52:36.429
You know that there is no alteration

1205
00:52:36.430 --> 00:52:38.499
to the story, to the narrative,

1206
00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:40.150
to your identity,

1207
00:52:41.290 --> 00:52:43.119
and it is something that is

1208
00:52:43.120 --> 00:52:44.829
very honest and raw.

1209
00:52:44.830 --> 00:52:46.809
And so for me, I

1210
00:52:46.810 --> 00:52:49.059
think even just growing up

1211
00:52:49.060 --> 00:52:51.819
a night know in the 90s in L.A.,

1212
00:52:51.820 --> 00:52:53.139
that's what I saw.

1213
00:52:53.140 --> 00:52:54.819
That's what everything looked like.

1214
00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:56.679
And it always made me feel

1215
00:52:56.680 --> 00:52:57.819
safe. It's something that I can

1216
00:52:57.820 --> 00:52:59.649
return to as a memory of

1217
00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:01.419
my own identity.

1218
00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:02.889
But there's just a truth and an

1219
00:53:02.890 --> 00:53:05.769
honesty to it, and it creates

1220
00:53:05.770 --> 00:53:07.419
a texture and it makes it feel

1221
00:53:07.420 --> 00:53:08.420
tangible.

1222
00:53:09.870 --> 00:53:11.879
Yeah. No, I was as I was watching,

1223
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.949
I work and looking at just Kevin,

1224
00:53:13.950 --> 00:53:14.789
which I'm assuming some of it was

1225
00:53:14.790 --> 00:53:15.839
shot on film. I was thinking about

1226
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.229
how texture, yeah,

1227
00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:20.099
put you in time, you know, like the

1228
00:53:20.100 --> 00:53:21.989
VHS esthetic, you know, makes

1229
00:53:21.990 --> 00:53:23.369
you feel like you're in the 80s sort

1230
00:53:23.370 --> 00:53:24.629
of separate esthetic makes you feel

1231
00:53:24.630 --> 00:53:25.439
like you're in another point in

1232
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.759
time. There's something about the

1233
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.099
we have these super clean digital

1234
00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:31.319
tools now that

1235
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:32.999
feel could potentially feel a little

1236
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:34.769
bit soulless, I think, or a little

1237
00:53:34.770 --> 00:53:35.770
bit.

1238
00:53:37.350 --> 00:53:38.609
I'm not sure this they do until

1239
00:53:38.610 --> 00:53:39.659
they're nostalgic, until

1240
00:53:39.660 --> 00:53:40.949
the nostalgia, you know, like, we're

1241
00:53:40.950 --> 00:53:42.389
exactly right because I feel like,

1242
00:53:42.390 --> 00:53:43.769
you know, when we were shooting on

1243
00:53:43.770 --> 00:53:45.149
mini DV, folks were trying to get

1244
00:53:45.150 --> 00:53:46.469
away from that many DV video

1245
00:53:46.470 --> 00:53:48.299
esthetic or trying to shoot film in

1246
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:49.949
a particular sort of way.

1247
00:53:49.950 --> 00:53:51.209
But now we're sort of looking back

1248
00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:52.379
to that, like you said, as a way of

1249
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:53.969
like, Oh, I trust this, this reminds

1250
00:53:53.970 --> 00:53:55.109
me of home. This reminds me of

1251
00:53:55.110 --> 00:53:56.110
something that is

1252
00:53:57.120 --> 00:53:58.139
something about something about the

1253
00:53:58.140 --> 00:53:59.849
imperfection of that as well that I

1254
00:53:59.850 --> 00:54:00.959
don't know if it's the trustworthiness.

1255
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.369
I don't know if it's putting you in

1256
00:54:02.370 --> 00:54:04.589
a place, but it's yeah,

1257
00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:06.269
I think I love that you said time

1258
00:54:06.270 --> 00:54:07.349
because it's time travel.

1259
00:54:07.350 --> 00:54:09.299
It's like we're taking you to

1260
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:10.799
these places and time is very

1261
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:11.899
non-linear.

1262
00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:13.800
Um, and so that's what I love.

1263
00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:17.299
I was just thinking about

1264
00:54:17.300 --> 00:54:19.159
how I used to say a

1265
00:54:19.160 --> 00:54:20.719
lot, that the difference between

1266
00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:22.279
film and video were really that with

1267
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.169
video, your own body could be the

1268
00:54:24.170 --> 00:54:25.129
material.

1269
00:54:25.130 --> 00:54:27.139
With film, it's really hard to film

1270
00:54:27.140 --> 00:54:28.039
yourself.

1271
00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:30.169
But with video, everything

1272
00:54:30.170 --> 00:54:32.029
can become part of the material you

1273
00:54:32.030 --> 00:54:32.869
use.

1274
00:54:32.870 --> 00:54:34.099
And I was thinking about that

1275
00:54:34.100 --> 00:54:34.939
watching.

1276
00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:36.679
I spent about four hours in Ulysses

1277
00:54:36.680 --> 00:54:38.809
Show, and I was thinking about

1278
00:54:38.810 --> 00:54:41.239
recognizing certain clips

1279
00:54:41.240 --> 00:54:43.429
come back in different works

1280
00:54:43.430 --> 00:54:45.379
like a material and

1281
00:54:45.380 --> 00:54:47.359
an addition to his own

1282
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:48.409
body and the body of his

1283
00:54:48.410 --> 00:54:49.639
collaborators.

1284
00:54:49.640 --> 00:54:51.539
Always sort of like fuzing with

1285
00:54:51.540 --> 00:54:53.539
the with the kind

1286
00:54:53.540 --> 00:54:55.429
of plasticity that a video

1287
00:54:55.430 --> 00:54:57.019
has as a medium.

1288
00:54:57.020 --> 00:54:58.909
And it's just like so evident.

1289
00:54:58.910 --> 00:55:00.799
And there's like a particular clip

1290
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:02.719
of like a the angel

1291
00:55:02.720 --> 00:55:04.159
in like its goal, but then it's

1292
00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:06.559
purple and then it's in the cosmos,

1293
00:55:06.560 --> 00:55:08.779
and it just kept popping up.

1294
00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:10.879
And that's like, Wow, that's

1295
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:12.229
just like, that's like almost like a

1296
00:55:12.230 --> 00:55:14.119
brushstroke. Or it's almost like

1297
00:55:14.120 --> 00:55:15.260
a kind of like

1298
00:55:16.700 --> 00:55:18.259
the return of an object over and

1299
00:55:18.260 --> 00:55:19.509
over.

1300
00:55:19.510 --> 00:55:21.619
In addition to his own presence

1301
00:55:21.620 --> 00:55:23.659
over, over, over time.

1302
00:55:23.660 --> 00:55:25.969
So those kind of us thing, you know,

1303
00:55:25.970 --> 00:55:26.869
it's amazing that it.

1304
00:55:26.870 --> 00:55:28.519
Yeah, and I think, you know, videos

1305
00:55:28.520 --> 00:55:30.259
like you said, it's like somebody

1306
00:55:30.260 --> 00:55:31.039
trustworthy.

1307
00:55:31.040 --> 00:55:32.719
It's almost like the snapshot, you

1308
00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:34.249
know, like the old Polaroids of the

1309
00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:35.719
family and something like that.

1310
00:55:35.720 --> 00:55:37.369
So it has that kind of connection

1311
00:55:37.370 --> 00:55:39.489
and it just, you know, I mean,

1312
00:55:39.490 --> 00:55:41.899
the army of all these devices,

1313
00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:43.299
you know, the author is present, but

1314
00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:44.539
it seemed like the video the author

1315
00:55:44.540 --> 00:55:46.849
is more present than ever, you know?

1316
00:55:46.850 --> 00:55:47.899
You know, because of pushing the

1317
00:55:47.900 --> 00:55:49.999
button. But I use for me, I

1318
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.099
I go back to their core definitions

1319
00:55:52.100 --> 00:55:53.239
like this when I want to record

1320
00:55:53.240 --> 00:55:55.419
something I use, like HD or video

1321
00:55:55.420 --> 00:55:57.139
like black bus stop.

1322
00:55:57.140 --> 00:55:58.249
We all like to dance and stuff a

1323
00:55:58.250 --> 00:56:00.169
shot on video and like as

1324
00:56:00.170 --> 00:56:01.709
if they were recording and practice

1325
00:56:01.710 --> 00:56:02.869
their own step show.

1326
00:56:02.870 --> 00:56:04.009
But the other ones where I'm trying

1327
00:56:04.010 --> 00:56:05.839
to expose the viewer to something

1328
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.409
and whether or not you've filmed so.

1329
00:56:07.410 --> 00:56:08.089
So like

1330
00:56:08.090 --> 00:56:08.989
a exposure?

1331
00:56:08.990 --> 00:56:09.619
Well, I

1332
00:56:09.620 --> 00:56:11.269
think I just go to the I'm a

1333
00:56:11.270 --> 00:56:12.679
sculptor, so it's all about

1334
00:56:12.680 --> 00:56:13.419
materiality.

1335
00:56:13.420 --> 00:56:14.759
Yeah, yeah.

1336
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:15.760
So yeah,

1337
00:56:17.420 --> 00:56:19.039
one of the things that Erin

1338
00:56:19.040 --> 00:56:20.269
mentioned in the introduction is

1339
00:56:20.270 --> 00:56:21.889
when we were thinking about this

1340
00:56:21.890 --> 00:56:23.989
program with Aaron and Meg

1341
00:56:23.990 --> 00:56:26.959
and Sidney, we were thinking about

1342
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.059
music video form and

1343
00:56:29.060 --> 00:56:31.489
looking at the videos of Ulysses.

1344
00:56:31.490 --> 00:56:33.469
It was so striking

1345
00:56:33.470 --> 00:56:34.819
and obvious to me that it was like,

1346
00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:36.769
This is like right at this era's

1347
00:56:36.770 --> 00:56:38.149
music video is forming an

1348
00:56:38.150 --> 00:56:40.219
experimental video of the 80s.

1349
00:56:40.220 --> 00:56:42.679
And so I was really curious

1350
00:56:42.680 --> 00:56:44.599
how you all have thought

1351
00:56:44.600 --> 00:56:46.339
about the impact of music videos on

1352
00:56:46.340 --> 00:56:48.499
your own practices.

1353
00:56:48.500 --> 00:56:50.359
And I think it's something I've

1354
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.279
heard Bradford Young, who were

1355
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.199
the exact same age talk about for

1356
00:56:54.200 --> 00:56:55.759
our generation. We're like the

1357
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:56.790
zinnias with an X.

1358
00:56:57.890 --> 00:56:59.179
Now there's animals of the Z

1359
00:57:00.620 --> 00:57:02.449
X and give it teeth.

1360
00:57:02.450 --> 00:57:04.429
But just really thinking about like

1361
00:57:04.430 --> 00:57:06.409
growing up in the 80s and how it has

1362
00:57:06.410 --> 00:57:08.239
like shaped black visual culture.

1363
00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:09.949
Right. So, you know, I think about

1364
00:57:09.950 --> 00:57:11.719
hype Williams. Think about, you

1365
00:57:11.720 --> 00:57:14.059
know, so many other directors

1366
00:57:14.060 --> 00:57:15.979
and what those videos you know,

1367
00:57:15.980 --> 00:57:18.289
did to how we see the world.

1368
00:57:18.290 --> 00:57:19.489
So I don't know.

1369
00:57:19.490 --> 00:57:20.869
Each of you were like almost

1370
00:57:20.870 --> 00:57:22.729
separate like every couple of

1371
00:57:22.730 --> 00:57:24.319
six years or moving down the line.

1372
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.619
So just curious.

1373
00:57:28.130 --> 00:57:29.299
Six.

1374
00:57:29.300 --> 00:57:29.749
No, I mean,

1375
00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:31.489
between you, it's like it's it's

1376
00:57:31.490 --> 00:57:32.749
actually very cute, but just

1377
00:57:32.750 --> 00:57:33.750
curious,

1378
00:57:35.270 --> 00:57:36.079
you know? Yeah.

1379
00:57:36.080 --> 00:57:37.249
How have music videos kind of

1380
00:57:37.250 --> 00:57:39.859
impacted your practices?

1381
00:57:39.860 --> 00:57:40.969
I mean, hugely.

1382
00:57:40.970 --> 00:57:43.069
As for me, I feel like

1383
00:57:43.070 --> 00:57:45.349
somewhat like the emergence of MTV,

1384
00:57:45.350 --> 00:57:47.289
where there's a concentration of

1385
00:57:47.290 --> 00:57:49.219
a media that isn't

1386
00:57:49.220 --> 00:57:51.079
mediated through narrative, but

1387
00:57:51.080 --> 00:57:52.969
maybe through cult of personality.

1388
00:57:52.970 --> 00:57:55.039
Even at the beginning,

1389
00:57:55.040 --> 00:57:56.569
it just seemed Revelator like

1390
00:57:56.570 --> 00:57:58.129
anything could be possible.

1391
00:57:58.130 --> 00:58:00.679
And again, I'm sorry I keep

1392
00:58:00.680 --> 00:58:01.849
because I just saw you this these

1393
00:58:01.850 --> 00:58:03.859
show made me think about also

1394
00:58:03.860 --> 00:58:05.809
like a kind of desire for

1395
00:58:05.810 --> 00:58:07.159
like the television to be this

1396
00:58:07.160 --> 00:58:09.349
receiver and teleportation

1397
00:58:09.350 --> 00:58:11.629
device. And this the seeming

1398
00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:13.459
possibility that anything could

1399
00:58:13.460 --> 00:58:15.739
happen in there that I kept

1400
00:58:15.740 --> 00:58:17.449
seeing in Ulysses work as

1401
00:58:17.450 --> 00:58:19.339
particularly like the the public

1402
00:58:19.340 --> 00:58:20.809
access where you like, get in that

1403
00:58:20.810 --> 00:58:23.419
studio and it's going out there.

1404
00:58:23.420 --> 00:58:25.369
And I felt like that was for me, the

1405
00:58:25.370 --> 00:58:27.079
beginning. And I think honestly, by

1406
00:58:27.080 --> 00:58:29.239
the time I could afford cable,

1407
00:58:29.240 --> 00:58:31.129
I was like, kind of

1408
00:58:31.130 --> 00:58:33.139
already like grieving Tupac and

1409
00:58:33.140 --> 00:58:34.339
stop listening to hip hop

1410
00:58:34.340 --> 00:58:35.329
altogether.

1411
00:58:35.330 --> 00:58:36.559
You know what I mean? So I kind of

1412
00:58:36.560 --> 00:58:38.689
miss that except for hype and

1413
00:58:38.690 --> 00:58:40.639
belly, which I just

1414
00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:42.659
was a game changer, which

1415
00:58:42.660 --> 00:58:44.149
I. But it's like the form.

1416
00:58:44.150 --> 00:58:45.469
It's like the form of the music

1417
00:58:45.470 --> 00:58:47.449
video and like the should be

1418
00:58:47.450 --> 00:58:49.169
the it, shouldn't you?

1419
00:58:49.170 --> 00:58:50.659
I love that feel

1420
00:58:50.660 --> 00:58:52.459
like I should go to the mat for

1421
00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:52.699
them,

1422
00:58:52.700 --> 00:58:54.589
you know? And it's because of the

1423
00:58:54.590 --> 00:58:56.479
way that he took that form and then

1424
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.519
like extended and expanded

1425
00:58:58.520 --> 00:58:59.719
it. And it really it was just more

1426
00:58:59.720 --> 00:59:01.129
space and more time.

1427
00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:02.719
Not like more story.

1428
00:59:02.720 --> 00:59:04.189
And that was to me, also

1429
00:59:04.190 --> 00:59:05.689
kind of radical and cool.

1430
00:59:05.690 --> 00:59:06.949
Yeah, I know I didn't make another

1431
00:59:06.950 --> 00:59:08.329
one. Yeah, right?

1432
00:59:08.330 --> 00:59:09.829
But that belly, I mean, I mean, I

1433
00:59:09.830 --> 00:59:11.539
quote it like philosophy major

1434
00:59:11.540 --> 00:59:12.979
chips. That's one of my favorite

1435
00:59:12.980 --> 00:59:13.980
lines.

1436
00:59:14.780 --> 00:59:16.909
That film, but the movie, but yeah,

1437
00:59:16.910 --> 00:59:18.829
but somehow or another, I

1438
00:59:18.830 --> 00:59:20.659
yeah, I mean,

1439
00:59:20.660 --> 00:59:21.709
it's funny. I think we were the

1440
00:59:21.710 --> 00:59:23.569
first ones to have cable

1441
00:59:23.570 --> 00:59:25.399
because our street was Alison.

1442
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:27.379
So they had it like an alphabetical

1443
00:59:27.380 --> 00:59:28.669
order. And I just remember like

1444
00:59:28.670 --> 00:59:30.499
seeing MTV like this

1445
00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:31.489
when it first came out.

1446
00:59:31.490 --> 00:59:33.529
So my dad and not impressed

1447
00:59:33.530 --> 00:59:34.669
because all these white folks and

1448
00:59:34.670 --> 00:59:36.169
shit doing stuff on there that was

1449
00:59:36.170 --> 00:59:37.399
like the music was bad.

1450
00:59:38.750 --> 00:59:40.159
Sorry, but the Deveau videos were

1451
00:59:40.160 --> 00:59:41.479
cool. Well, he's from accurate.

1452
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:42.299
So DeVos cool.

1453
00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:43.519
Yeah, I got it from Akron, Ohio.

1454
00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:44.799
Connie Butler from Akron.

1455
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.639
Yeah, but other than that,

1456
00:59:46.640 --> 00:59:48.529
though? But yeah, but something like

1457
00:59:48.530 --> 00:59:50.119
it just didn't stick for a while.

1458
00:59:50.120 --> 00:59:50.509
You know?

1459
00:59:50.510 --> 00:59:53.179
But but but I know if it impacted,

1460
00:59:53.180 --> 00:59:54.529
like I'm sure it has impacted my

1461
00:59:54.530 --> 00:59:55.999
work so much and I just can't really

1462
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:57.289
kind of put

1463
00:59:57.290 --> 00:59:58.219
it.

1464
00:59:58.220 --> 00:59:59.959
I think it was more not so much the

1465
00:59:59.960 --> 01:00:01.159
form, but this idea of like, I

1466
01:00:01.160 --> 01:00:02.719
didn't know what I was going to see.

1467
01:00:02.720 --> 01:00:04.669
Well, like what they will like

1468
01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:06.439
the monitor or the TV

1469
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:08.299
became more important.

1470
01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:09.709
Yeah, in the theater, I think I

1471
01:00:09.710 --> 01:00:10.519
think when

1472
01:00:10.520 --> 01:00:12.379
I think how it came to

1473
01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:14.179
you, I think more so than that

1474
01:00:14.180 --> 01:00:15.199
because we had the cable.

1475
01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:16.609
Yeah, and you had a remote at the

1476
01:00:16.610 --> 01:00:18.519
time and and then all this and

1477
01:00:18.520 --> 01:00:19.999
then so you could like turn it on

1478
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.739
it. You know, like with you can be

1479
01:00:21.740 --> 01:00:22.909
your own editor instead of going up

1480
01:00:22.910 --> 01:00:24.319
there and turn in it, you know, just

1481
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:25.629
being so I don't know.

1482
01:00:25.630 --> 01:00:27.619
Yeah, I think

1483
01:00:27.620 --> 01:00:29.299
what it's so exciting to me about

1484
01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:30.769
music videos is growing up, I felt

1485
01:00:30.770 --> 01:00:32.509
like there were no rules.

1486
01:00:32.510 --> 01:00:34.339
It was just a landscape to create.

1487
01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:36.169
And there's one of my favorite

1488
01:00:36.170 --> 01:00:38.089
music videos is by police in the

1489
01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:39.259
early 2000s.

1490
01:00:39.260 --> 01:00:41.059
I think it's a really hard video.

1491
01:00:41.060 --> 01:00:42.199
The song is called Get.

1492
01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:43.459
It's a hard video to find.

1493
01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:44.899
It's called Get Along With You, and

1494
01:00:44.900 --> 01:00:46.549
it's very dreamy.

1495
01:00:46.550 --> 01:00:48.079
It's yes, that song.

1496
01:00:48.080 --> 01:00:50.149
She's like floating down the street.

1497
01:00:50.150 --> 01:00:51.499
And for me, it was like, I'm seeing

1498
01:00:51.500 --> 01:00:53.359
this black woman flying.

1499
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.699
It felt like

1500
01:00:55.700 --> 01:00:57.019
it was just a lot of magical

1501
01:00:57.020 --> 01:00:58.020
realism.

1502
01:00:59.390 --> 01:01:00.529
I don't know.

1503
01:01:00.530 --> 01:01:01.309
I don't know.

1504
01:01:01.310 --> 01:01:02.129
Yeah, I don't know.

1505
01:01:02.130 --> 01:01:03.649
It was. It's just really an obscure

1506
01:01:03.650 --> 01:01:05.060
video to find.

1507
01:01:11.270 --> 01:01:13.099
But I'll also never forget, I was

1508
01:01:13.100 --> 01:01:14.929
a freshman when 911

1509
01:01:14.930 --> 01:01:17.299
happened, and I remember

1510
01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:19.249
MTV and Bet not showing

1511
01:01:19.250 --> 01:01:20.389
music videos, and that's when I

1512
01:01:20.390 --> 01:01:21.889
understood something was wrong.

1513
01:01:21.890 --> 01:01:24.169
I was like, Oh, the channels

1514
01:01:24.170 --> 01:01:25.729
that always come through with like

1515
01:01:25.730 --> 01:01:27.439
entertainment won't show us music

1516
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:28.219
videos right now.

1517
01:01:28.220 --> 01:01:29.969
I was like, Oh shit.

1518
01:01:29.970 --> 01:01:31.729
And so just understanding how for

1519
01:01:31.730 --> 01:01:34.189
me, this disruption of like

1520
01:01:34.190 --> 01:01:36.079
this entertainment

1521
01:01:36.080 --> 01:01:37.939
that was that spoke

1522
01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:39.649
so much to culture was even

1523
01:01:39.650 --> 01:01:41.329
disruptive this time that this could

1524
01:01:41.330 --> 01:01:43.159
not play out.

1525
01:01:43.160 --> 01:01:44.899
But yeah, there just seems to be

1526
01:01:44.900 --> 01:01:47.179
there seemed to be a lot of freedom

1527
01:01:47.180 --> 01:01:49.129
to me in what the creative

1528
01:01:49.130 --> 01:01:52.279
was a very non-linear experimental

1529
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.059
appreciation.

1530
01:01:54.060 --> 01:01:55.939
Yeah, I'm thinking about like my non

1531
01:01:55.940 --> 01:01:58.399
artsy friends and I don't know

1532
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.199
what other frames of reference they

1533
01:02:00.200 --> 01:02:01.189
have for. Like, No, no, no, no, no,

1534
01:02:01.190 --> 01:02:01.699
no, no.

1535
01:02:01.700 --> 01:02:03.739
But just like his basic friends

1536
01:02:03.740 --> 01:02:04.699
or just, you know, like

1537
01:02:04.700 --> 01:02:06.499
what I think about, that's the music

1538
01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:07.999
videos have been the only place for

1539
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.409
a lot of black folks to make

1540
01:02:09.410 --> 01:02:11.239
experimental work on like a

1541
01:02:11.240 --> 01:02:12.619
stage, you know?

1542
01:02:12.620 --> 01:02:14.089
And like, I always go back to the

1543
01:02:14.090 --> 01:02:16.099
messy, super duper flat video,

1544
01:02:16.100 --> 01:02:17.339
which is like, you know, like all

1545
01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:18.469
the music videos in general, they

1546
01:02:18.470 --> 01:02:20.389
were all these wild experiments.

1547
01:02:20.390 --> 01:02:21.679
And who else? Who else was going to

1548
01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:22.789
give you a million dollars for you

1549
01:02:22.790 --> 01:02:24.349
to put a trash bag on for you to go

1550
01:02:24.350 --> 01:02:25.580
out and like, dance in the street?

1551
01:02:27.050 --> 01:02:28.099
There's something about the vernacular.

1552
01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:29.629
I think music videos had a chance

1553
01:02:29.630 --> 01:02:30.649
has a chance. I didn't grow up with

1554
01:02:30.650 --> 01:02:31.579
music videos, so we didn't have

1555
01:02:31.580 --> 01:02:32.839
cable.

1556
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:35.209
But the

1557
01:02:35.210 --> 01:02:36.199
I think like kind of on the

1558
01:02:36.200 --> 01:02:37.339
periphery of the culture I was able

1559
01:02:37.340 --> 01:02:38.569
to observe and the frames of

1560
01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:40.039
references and the visuals that they

1561
01:02:40.040 --> 01:02:42.619
created that I think still permeate

1562
01:02:42.620 --> 01:02:44.119
to now.

1563
01:02:44.120 --> 01:02:46.369
Yeah, it feels super pivotal

1564
01:02:46.370 --> 01:02:47.329
because Fox had a budget.

1565
01:02:47.330 --> 01:02:48.919
Yeah, I think yeah, it's interesting

1566
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:50.539
because, you know, because when I

1567
01:02:50.540 --> 01:02:51.679
showed the Red Man video, he's

1568
01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:52.729
coming at you.

1569
01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:54.709
And as I said, probably only form

1570
01:02:54.710 --> 01:02:56.329
like even I'm trying to act like

1571
01:02:56.330 --> 01:02:58.129
blaxploitation films are usually

1572
01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:00.079
like looking after the character

1573
01:03:00.080 --> 01:03:00.919
and stuff.

1574
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.299
So the whole idea of the people like

1575
01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:03.559
actually and again, you talk about

1576
01:03:03.560 --> 01:03:05.149
the receiver like they're coming at

1577
01:03:05.150 --> 01:03:06.199
you, so to speak.

1578
01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:08.239
And and then like the city's

1579
01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:09.829
become the stage, you know, like see

1580
01:03:09.830 --> 01:03:11.779
those Public Enemy videos where

1581
01:03:11.780 --> 01:03:13.309
where the base and they're coming

1582
01:03:13.310 --> 01:03:14.569
into and then almost like the

1583
01:03:14.570 --> 01:03:16.489
sidewalk becomes a stage and

1584
01:03:16.490 --> 01:03:18.319
so on, you can play with

1585
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:19.549
figure ground relationships, I

1586
01:03:19.550 --> 01:03:20.689
think, to about chains.

1587
01:03:20.690 --> 01:03:21.619
Yeah.

1588
01:03:21.620 --> 01:03:23.779
I also love how black folks existed

1589
01:03:23.780 --> 01:03:25.459
in the future in the 2000s, like

1590
01:03:25.460 --> 01:03:27.289
TLC, No Scrubs, Michael

1591
01:03:27.290 --> 01:03:29.389
Jackson and Janet and Scream.

1592
01:03:30.770 --> 01:03:32.779
Just thinking about

1593
01:03:32.780 --> 01:03:34.459
aliya, thinking about these music

1594
01:03:34.460 --> 01:03:35.989
videos where we were placed in this

1595
01:03:35.990 --> 01:03:37.819
futuristic world where we

1596
01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:40.399
didn't have to exist

1597
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:41.929
in this like plain where all this

1598
01:03:41.930 --> 01:03:44.149
bullshit was happening, but we had

1599
01:03:44.150 --> 01:03:45.209
a place in the future.

1600
01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:46.399
That's something that always really

1601
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:47.269
inspired me.

1602
01:03:47.270 --> 01:03:47.999
Yeah.

1603
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:48.529
Also, I

1604
01:03:48.530 --> 01:03:49.909
got shot at the excited too.

1605
01:03:49.910 --> 01:03:51.919
I feel like we're still

1606
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.659
like replicating a lot of the

1607
01:03:53.660 --> 01:03:55.219
visuals that created White Williams

1608
01:03:55.220 --> 01:03:56.209
in the 90s.

1609
01:03:56.210 --> 01:03:57.889
Like so much watching Insecure, I

1610
01:03:57.890 --> 01:03:59.119
like to think about Malick's.

1611
01:03:59.120 --> 01:04:00.979
I eat a lot and I think about belly.

1612
01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:02.389
I think about those buster videos I

1613
01:04:02.390 --> 01:04:03.679
think about like that work.

1614
01:04:05.090 --> 01:04:06.829
Yeah, that's almost like a its own

1615
01:04:06.830 --> 01:04:07.830
vernacular.

1616
01:04:10.930 --> 01:04:12.309
There was something that we started

1617
01:04:12.310 --> 01:04:13.689
talking about backstage that I went

1618
01:04:13.690 --> 01:04:15.249
to or in the green room that I

1619
01:04:15.250 --> 01:04:16.659
wanted to bring up, which was

1620
01:04:18.130 --> 01:04:19.809
something Ulises was talking about

1621
01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:22.040
making work

1622
01:04:22.990 --> 01:04:24.849
in ritual and

1623
01:04:24.850 --> 01:04:26.289
Rashid and I have been doing a lot

1624
01:04:26.290 --> 01:04:27.290
of thinking about.

1625
01:04:28.270 --> 01:04:30.069
He has a longstanding project called

1626
01:04:30.070 --> 01:04:32.050
Revival and thinking about

1627
01:04:33.160 --> 01:04:34.599
meme culture.

1628
01:04:34.600 --> 01:04:36.069
We have a friend named Yabba, who

1629
01:04:36.070 --> 01:04:38.799
very much has a ministry of memes.

1630
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:39.800
And so how

1631
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:42.369
for black people, particularly in

1632
01:04:42.370 --> 01:04:43.989
black artists, you're using this

1633
01:04:43.990 --> 01:04:46.029
work as a kind

1634
01:04:46.030 --> 01:04:48.429
of preaching and or as a kind of

1635
01:04:48.430 --> 01:04:51.309
message, you know, spreading.

1636
01:04:51.310 --> 01:04:53.139
And I guess a question for any

1637
01:04:53.140 --> 01:04:55.749
of you and Colleen Start

1638
01:04:55.750 --> 01:04:57.279
is, do you have any rituals when

1639
01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:58.569
you're making work and how does that

1640
01:04:58.570 --> 01:04:59.749
show up?

1641
01:04:59.750 --> 01:05:01.059
Oh, wow.

1642
01:05:02.770 --> 01:05:05.109
At what point like in the conception

1643
01:05:05.110 --> 01:05:06.759
on the shoot, in the editing?

1644
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.679
So many, I

1645
01:05:08.680 --> 01:05:10.659
think you know, when when Ulysses

1646
01:05:10.660 --> 01:05:12.309
was talking about that, it was one

1647
01:05:12.310 --> 01:05:14.289
of those moments was like, I wish I

1648
01:05:14.290 --> 01:05:15.729
had this conversation with Ulysses,

1649
01:05:15.730 --> 01:05:17.139
like five years ago

1650
01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:20.149
because of the way in which

1651
01:05:20.150 --> 01:05:21.939
just like having his time with his

1652
01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:24.249
work really

1653
01:05:24.250 --> 01:05:26.289
pointed me towards a kind of

1654
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:28.810
West Coast

1655
01:05:30.040 --> 01:05:31.959
Ernest like relationship with

1656
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.999
landscape and and like

1657
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.039
Indigenous City on a on a

1658
01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:37.809
on a really fundamental level that

1659
01:05:37.810 --> 01:05:40.119
wasn't about a kind of romantic

1660
01:05:40.120 --> 01:05:41.799
back to Africa, but a kind of

1661
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:43.179
contemporary right here.

1662
01:05:43.180 --> 01:05:45.159
Right now we are here and

1663
01:05:45.160 --> 01:05:46.719
this is where we rooted.

1664
01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:48.250
This is where we're transplanted

1665
01:05:49.390 --> 01:05:51.929
that I, I,

1666
01:05:51.930 --> 01:05:53.499
I've made up my mind.

1667
01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:55.059
While like while Ulysses was talking

1668
01:05:55.060 --> 01:05:56.289
to us in the green room, I was like,

1669
01:05:56.290 --> 01:05:57.489
I'm going to really honor that

1670
01:05:57.490 --> 01:05:59.199
because it's so much in my work.

1671
01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:00.969
But I am like such as secular, like

1672
01:06:00.970 --> 01:06:02.979
a heathen. I'm such a heathen

1673
01:06:02.980 --> 01:06:04.539
that I like. Don't even like grant

1674
01:06:04.540 --> 01:06:06.759
myself like the sort of permission

1675
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.679
to like, make that explicit.

1676
01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:10.389
It's a much, much more like sort of

1677
01:06:10.390 --> 01:06:12.249
like private, like always

1678
01:06:12.250 --> 01:06:13.509
holding my breath when there's a

1679
01:06:13.510 --> 01:06:14.949
shot I really want

1680
01:06:14.950 --> 01:06:17.169
and then looking up at this guy

1681
01:06:17.170 --> 01:06:18.369
or like

1682
01:06:18.370 --> 01:06:20.259
always like kicking dust

1683
01:06:20.260 --> 01:06:21.889
or something. And I like like all

1684
01:06:21.890 --> 01:06:23.229
these like private rituals that I

1685
01:06:23.230 --> 01:06:24.969
would never impose on my

1686
01:06:24.970 --> 01:06:26.079
collaborators.

1687
01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:27.080
You know,

1688
01:06:28.420 --> 01:06:30.369
uh, I guess for me, I guess

1689
01:06:30.370 --> 01:06:31.959
to be anywhere like repetition, I

1690
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:33.849
guess, you know, keep doing things

1691
01:06:33.850 --> 01:06:35.319
over and over again and then become

1692
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:36.669
kind of ritualistic, I guess.

1693
01:06:36.670 --> 01:06:38.929
But, you

1694
01:06:38.930 --> 01:06:40.839
know, just

1695
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.149
just going to make what it is, huh?

1696
01:06:43.150 --> 01:06:43.959
That's some werewolves.

1697
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.209
That's them, you know?

1698
01:06:45.210 --> 01:06:46.989
I mean, I'm starting to think of

1699
01:06:46.990 --> 01:06:48.369
what be that's the boomers.

1700
01:06:48.370 --> 01:06:49.449
And y'all,

1701
01:06:49.450 --> 01:06:50.769
I'm trying to think of what a meme.

1702
01:06:50.770 --> 01:06:51.609
I got some stories.

1703
01:06:51.610 --> 01:06:53.559
I got. Yeah, yeah.

1704
01:06:53.560 --> 01:06:55.269
Like, I don't know.

1705
01:06:55.270 --> 01:06:57.219
Yeah, we will make you talk about

1706
01:06:57.220 --> 01:06:58.429
nostalgically. Don't worry.

1707
01:06:58.430 --> 01:06:59.430
Thank you.

1708
01:07:00.650 --> 01:07:01.849
Yeah.

1709
01:07:01.850 --> 01:07:03.249
Um hmm.

1710
01:07:03.250 --> 01:07:05.409
I guess I grew up in church

1711
01:07:05.410 --> 01:07:07.059
like, you know, going to church

1712
01:07:07.060 --> 01:07:08.089
every single day.

1713
01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:09.909
I'm a mom was every day

1714
01:07:09.910 --> 01:07:10.899
and I'm not exaggerating.

1715
01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:12.219
Like Sunday was church.

1716
01:07:12.220 --> 01:07:13.179
Monday was prayer meeting.

1717
01:07:13.180 --> 01:07:14.439
Tuesday was choir study.

1718
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:15.639
Wednesday was intercessory prayer.

1719
01:07:15.640 --> 01:07:17.679
My mom was the head musician and

1720
01:07:17.680 --> 01:07:19.629
I'm not particularly, you know,

1721
01:07:19.630 --> 01:07:21.129
religious now.

1722
01:07:21.130 --> 01:07:22.239
But there's something about

1723
01:07:22.240 --> 01:07:23.499
repetition and ritual that's like,

1724
01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:25.089
beat into my life in general.

1725
01:07:25.090 --> 01:07:26.019
And so I've been thinking a lot

1726
01:07:26.020 --> 01:07:27.639
about church in my own personal work

1727
01:07:27.640 --> 01:07:29.589
and thinking about where church

1728
01:07:29.590 --> 01:07:30.819
is like the center of blackness in

1729
01:07:30.820 --> 01:07:32.559
the center of black expression

1730
01:07:32.560 --> 01:07:33.999
and

1731
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.800
thinking also about the dance party.

1732
01:07:36.940 --> 01:07:38.349
I'm going somewhere with this, I promise.

1733
01:07:38.350 --> 01:07:40.209
Oh, I've been

1734
01:07:40.210 --> 01:07:41.379
thinking a lot about the dance party

1735
01:07:41.380 --> 01:07:43.479
in church as these places

1736
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.459
that we get to have

1737
01:07:45.460 --> 01:07:47.679
these esthetic experiment esthetic

1738
01:07:47.680 --> 01:07:49.839
experiences on the regular

1739
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.189
right. Like every Sunday, I'm I go

1740
01:07:51.190 --> 01:07:52.809
to church, I go, I'm a scream, I'm a

1741
01:07:52.810 --> 01:07:53.979
turn up, I'm gonna get all my

1742
01:07:53.980 --> 01:07:55.839
problems out. I'm going to go home

1743
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:57.049
thinking about similar, I think, for

1744
01:07:57.050 --> 01:07:58.089
a dance party. If you don't go out

1745
01:07:58.090 --> 01:07:59.499
every Friday night going to go out,

1746
01:07:59.500 --> 01:08:00.369
you're going to turn up, you're going

1747
01:08:00.370 --> 01:08:01.149
to have a party, you know, you're

1748
01:08:01.150 --> 01:08:02.379
going to release some stuff, you're

1749
01:08:02.380 --> 01:08:03.429
going to go home. And that's his own

1750
01:08:03.430 --> 01:08:05.139
ritual I've been playing.

1751
01:08:05.140 --> 01:08:06.819
When Maori mentioned a project

1752
01:08:06.820 --> 01:08:08.739
revival, I've been thinking

1753
01:08:08.740 --> 01:08:10.059
about the connection between

1754
01:08:10.060 --> 01:08:12.339
editing, video and deejaying.

1755
01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:14.229
I've been in music for a long

1756
01:08:14.230 --> 01:08:15.069
time because you can't live in

1757
01:08:15.070 --> 01:08:16.949
Philly for too long without

1758
01:08:16.950 --> 01:08:18.159
without somebody forcing you to

1759
01:08:18.160 --> 01:08:19.839
learn how to deejay.

1760
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:21.579
And my own practice of deejaying is

1761
01:08:21.580 --> 01:08:23.259
a lot of listening to music, a lot

1762
01:08:23.260 --> 01:08:24.699
of experimenting with cuts, a lot of

1763
01:08:24.700 --> 01:08:26.228
experimenting with blends and not

1764
01:08:26.229 --> 01:08:27.369
dissimilar from what an editing

1765
01:08:27.370 --> 01:08:29.259
process is, which is you're watching

1766
01:08:29.260 --> 01:08:30.398
a lot of footage, you're

1767
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:31.809
experimenting with where your cuts

1768
01:08:31.810 --> 01:08:33.159
go, you're experimenting with, you

1769
01:08:33.160 --> 01:08:35.949
know, one moment to the other and

1770
01:08:35.950 --> 01:08:37.028
been playing with this idea of

1771
01:08:37.029 --> 01:08:38.199
haptics between the two of those

1772
01:08:38.200 --> 01:08:38.978
things.

1773
01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:40.929
Thinking about the excitement

1774
01:08:40.930 --> 01:08:42.398
that I'm able to generate at a dance

1775
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:44.559
party if I'm playing, you know,

1776
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:46.089
no money. No, if I play like, you

1777
01:08:46.090 --> 01:08:47.919
know, more money, more problems

1778
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.329
and somebody is going to get out of

1779
01:08:49.330 --> 01:08:50.799
the seat and turn up to some degree,

1780
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:51.579
you're going to have some visceral

1781
01:08:51.580 --> 01:08:52.599
reaction to that.

1782
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:54.459
Then if I play, you know, a meh song

1783
01:08:54.460 --> 01:08:55.478
right after that, that's going to

1784
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:56.469
bring that's going to trigger some

1785
01:08:56.470 --> 01:08:58.209
level of nostalgia, et cetera, et

1786
01:08:58.210 --> 01:08:59.318
cetera, et cetera.

1787
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:00.579
And I've been trying to find that

1788
01:09:00.580 --> 01:09:01.899
and editing video itself,

1789
01:09:02.979 --> 01:09:04.299
specifically editing video with

1790
01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:06.489
turntables through cerrado

1791
01:09:06.490 --> 01:09:07.719
in a way that I have haptic and

1792
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.829
physical control. All of

1793
01:09:09.830 --> 01:09:10.839
a clear clip is going to stop right

1794
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:12.309
now, I'm going to push the tempo up

1795
01:09:12.310 --> 01:09:13.389
on this video, I'm going to pull it

1796
01:09:13.390 --> 01:09:14.409
down.

1797
01:09:14.410 --> 01:09:16.299
And where that

1798
01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:18.159
can create that same experience that

1799
01:09:18.160 --> 01:09:20.139
you get in church, that

1800
01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:21.579
you get at a dance party that you

1801
01:09:21.580 --> 01:09:22.659
get when you're watching a really

1802
01:09:22.660 --> 01:09:23.739
dope music video.

1803
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.059
And

1804
01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:29.199
I was going to make a thing about

1805
01:09:29.200 --> 01:09:30.429
ritual to tie it all together, and I

1806
01:09:30.430 --> 01:09:32.228
lost my place.

1807
01:09:32.229 --> 01:09:34.869
But exploring the sort of like,

1808
01:09:34.870 --> 01:09:35.829
there's something in there, there's something

1809
01:09:35.830 --> 01:09:37.239
in that magic of like the haptics

1810
01:09:37.240 --> 01:09:38.528
that I'm really interested in trying

1811
01:09:38.529 --> 01:09:40.358
to bring into video that is

1812
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:41.949
its own sort of ritual of creation

1813
01:09:41.950 --> 01:09:42.879
because you just have to you have to

1814
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:44.799
sit, roll a spliff and just sit for

1815
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.478
a really long time and sit with

1816
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:47.528
footage, just sit with music to

1817
01:09:47.529 --> 01:09:48.349
figure out where those were.

1818
01:09:48.350 --> 01:09:49.350
Those connection points are.

1819
01:09:50.529 --> 01:09:52.649
I'm into that. We will collide.

1820
01:09:53.859 --> 01:09:54.939
I know you are. Maybe

1821
01:09:56.710 --> 01:09:58.719
I'll speak on the clip everyone saw

1822
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.759
about Oluwatoyin that

1823
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:02.379
day. I had just bought this

1824
01:10:02.380 --> 01:10:03.579
ancestor, Bell.

1825
01:10:03.580 --> 01:10:04.759
Even my partner was like, What does

1826
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:05.679
this ancestor Bell?

1827
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:06.489
And I was like, I don't know. I

1828
01:10:06.490 --> 01:10:07.899
bought it from this place, but I

1829
01:10:07.900 --> 01:10:09.039
bought an ancestor, bell.

1830
01:10:09.040 --> 01:10:10.239
I had sage.

1831
01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:12.069
I just really wanted to like, call

1832
01:10:12.070 --> 01:10:13.389
the spirit of toy.

1833
01:10:13.390 --> 01:10:15.219
And then and it was I

1834
01:10:15.220 --> 01:10:17.079
made sure this space was like,

1835
01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:18.729
everybody there knew this is for

1836
01:10:18.730 --> 01:10:19.629
black women right now.

1837
01:10:19.630 --> 01:10:21.459
Black girls, if you aren't that

1838
01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:23.409
like, shut up,

1839
01:10:23.410 --> 01:10:25.419
like give us respect, give

1840
01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:26.649
us the space that it was the most

1841
01:10:26.650 --> 01:10:28.869
loving and beautiful environment

1842
01:10:28.870 --> 01:10:30.009
I'd ever been in.

1843
01:10:30.010 --> 01:10:31.209
And I think it's really hard to

1844
01:10:31.210 --> 01:10:32.589
create that in production with

1845
01:10:32.590 --> 01:10:34.389
everything else happening, but

1846
01:10:34.390 --> 01:10:36.009
really wanting to set that standard

1847
01:10:36.010 --> 01:10:37.419
high.

1848
01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:38.799
When I worked on Latasha, my

1849
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.419
creative producer and I just like

1850
01:10:40.420 --> 01:10:42.249
meditated in these different spaces

1851
01:10:42.250 --> 01:10:44.619
where we knew she lived,

1852
01:10:44.620 --> 01:10:45.789
where we knew she walked.

1853
01:10:46.810 --> 01:10:48.219
And what's interesting is like when

1854
01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:50.169
I have the freedom to edit by

1855
01:10:50.170 --> 01:10:51.999
myself, I refuse to like, edit on

1856
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.859
commission because it becomes a

1857
01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:55.689
very spiritual like remix for me

1858
01:10:55.690 --> 01:10:57.849
that I can't do it on a timeline.

1859
01:10:57.850 --> 01:10:59.379
But what I'm editing by myself, it

1860
01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:01.959
becomes like this obsessive

1861
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:03.909
portal I just fall into

1862
01:11:04.930 --> 01:11:06.789
and just I have to

1863
01:11:06.790 --> 01:11:08.319
let it play out until it's done.

1864
01:11:10.210 --> 01:11:11.949
I love you saying that about

1865
01:11:11.950 --> 01:11:13.299
editing. I haven't edited in a long

1866
01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:15.579
time, but I when I used to,

1867
01:11:15.580 --> 01:11:17.559
I would like not sleep for days,

1868
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:18.999
and there's so many edits that I

1869
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:20.559
don't remember doing.

1870
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:22.209
You know, and it's very much like

1871
01:11:22.210 --> 01:11:24.159
somebody you know or is it's

1872
01:11:24.160 --> 01:11:25.629
like, I don't know what state I was

1873
01:11:25.630 --> 01:11:27.789
in moving,

1874
01:11:27.790 --> 01:11:29.259
but do you have any questions for

1875
01:11:29.260 --> 01:11:31.239
each other? We're sort of.

1876
01:11:31.240 --> 01:11:31.629
I do.

1877
01:11:31.630 --> 01:11:33.609
Yeah, I think something

1878
01:11:33.610 --> 01:11:35.709
that I really love and admire

1879
01:11:35.710 --> 01:11:37.059
and notice some video art noticing

1880
01:11:37.060 --> 01:11:39.279
Ulysses noticed in yours

1881
01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:41.289
is the importance of repetition.

1882
01:11:41.290 --> 01:11:43.239
And I think that really popped up.

1883
01:11:43.240 --> 01:11:44.529
I don't remember who it was, but the

1884
01:11:44.530 --> 01:11:45.789
group dancing.

1885
01:11:45.790 --> 01:11:46.899
I just want to talk to you about

1886
01:11:46.900 --> 01:11:48.939
that process of how many times,

1887
01:11:48.940 --> 01:11:50.499
like, what is the repetition mean to

1888
01:11:50.500 --> 01:11:52.119
you? When do you know that?

1889
01:11:52.120 --> 01:11:53.719
OK, now it's time to move on.

1890
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:54.720
Oh.

1891
01:11:55.430 --> 01:11:57.049
When you're bored, I guess, like

1892
01:11:57.050 --> 01:11:59.000
when it's like there's like.

1893
01:12:01.730 --> 01:12:03.679
I've been thinking about I'm

1894
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:05.329
reading this book, delay time about

1895
01:12:05.330 --> 01:12:06.889
the life of J Dilla, and I've been

1896
01:12:06.890 --> 01:12:08.029
listening, going back and listen to

1897
01:12:08.030 --> 01:12:10.009
a lot of Dilla loops and listening

1898
01:12:10.010 --> 01:12:11.010
to

1899
01:12:12.140 --> 01:12:13.549
the repetition and the variation

1900
01:12:13.550 --> 01:12:14.929
that happens. But it's almost like

1901
01:12:14.930 --> 01:12:16.399
once you like, if you go back and

1902
01:12:16.400 --> 01:12:18.169
listen to donuts, for example, you

1903
01:12:18.170 --> 01:12:19.039
know, it's a loop, it's a loop, it's

1904
01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:20.059
a loop, its loop. And then once you

1905
01:12:20.060 --> 01:12:20.839
get it, it's done.

1906
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:22.219
Like once you sort of get the idea,

1907
01:12:22.220 --> 01:12:23.419
once you're in this place, once

1908
01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:24.289
you're in the plane, once you get

1909
01:12:24.290 --> 01:12:25.669
the idea, you're out.

1910
01:12:25.670 --> 01:12:27.799
And I don't know how to like

1911
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:29.719
verbalize that, but you kind of feel

1912
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.339
it like again, I go back to DJ and I

1913
01:12:31.340 --> 01:12:33.259
go back to being at a dance party

1914
01:12:33.260 --> 01:12:34.789
like, you know, when you start to

1915
01:12:34.790 --> 01:12:36.559
feel the energy clear out, you know,

1916
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:37.549
when you've been playing a song for

1917
01:12:37.550 --> 01:12:39.619
too long because,

1918
01:12:39.620 --> 01:12:40.789
yeah, yeah, it's you.

1919
01:12:40.790 --> 01:12:41.599
Just you feel it.

1920
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:41.989
You feel

1921
01:12:41.990 --> 01:12:42.909
it.

1922
01:12:42.910 --> 01:12:44.629
Yeah. For me, I think for

1923
01:12:44.630 --> 01:12:46.799
repetition, I go past that,

1924
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.009
you know, like when people are like,

1925
01:12:49.010 --> 01:12:50.989
Damn, Kevin, you know, and then

1926
01:12:50.990 --> 01:12:52.279
just keep going and going and going,

1927
01:12:52.280 --> 01:12:53.869
and they just are going to make it

1928
01:12:53.870 --> 01:12:55.789
and kind of come to me and I

1929
01:12:55.790 --> 01:12:56.299
want to.

1930
01:12:56.300 --> 01:12:57.709
I was like, There's something about

1931
01:12:57.710 --> 01:12:59.599
that point where, you know,

1932
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.609
the loops so well that then

1933
01:13:01.610 --> 01:13:03.529
you start to leave it and return

1934
01:13:03.530 --> 01:13:05.629
to it, so it becomes like other

1935
01:13:05.630 --> 01:13:07.369
orbits around the loop itself.

1936
01:13:07.370 --> 01:13:09.049
But it takes so long to get to that

1937
01:13:09.050 --> 01:13:09.949
point.

1938
01:13:09.950 --> 01:13:10.639
Yeah.

1939
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:11.479
Eight hours.

1940
01:13:11.480 --> 01:13:13.459
Yeah, eight hours films.

1941
01:13:13.460 --> 01:13:14.689
Yeah.

1942
01:13:14.690 --> 01:13:15.739
Which you do make

1943
01:13:19.430 --> 01:13:20.430
good on reputation.

1944
01:13:21.770 --> 01:13:23.389
Anybody else have questions for each

1945
01:13:23.390 --> 01:13:24.529
other

1946
01:13:24.530 --> 01:13:25.489
like I have a million questions for

1947
01:13:25.490 --> 01:13:26.569
y'all all the time and they're just

1948
01:13:26.570 --> 01:13:27.570
not here at the moment.

1949
01:13:28.730 --> 01:13:30.079
Well, I want to open it up to the

1950
01:13:30.080 --> 01:13:31.080
audience.

1951
01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:35.939
Do we have microphones that'll be,

1952
01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:37.469
yeah, OK.

1953
01:13:37.470 --> 01:13:38.789
Doesn't he just raise your hand if

1954
01:13:38.790 --> 01:13:39.790
you have a question?

1955
01:13:43.070 --> 01:13:44.299
No, get this guy.

1956
01:13:44.300 --> 01:13:45.300
Oh, you listen to

1957
01:13:46.480 --> 01:13:46.819
this

1958
01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:47.829
as a question.

1959
01:13:47.830 --> 01:13:48.830
Oh, it's.

1960
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.839
But I just wanted to comment about

1961
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.759
the repetition comment.

1962
01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.269
Um, I have an

1963
01:13:58.270 --> 01:14:00.129
idea or

1964
01:14:00.130 --> 01:14:02.590
theory that I call peer amnesia,

1965
01:14:04.120 --> 01:14:05.949
which sort of relates to

1966
01:14:05.950 --> 01:14:07.599
what you were talking about in terms

1967
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.430
of remembering imagery

1968
01:14:10.750 --> 01:14:12.519
appearing easier when you see an

1969
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.379
image, you're going down the

1970
01:14:14.380 --> 01:14:15.380
highway.

1971
01:14:16.410 --> 01:14:18.329
That image comes back to your mind

1972
01:14:18.330 --> 01:14:19.330
again.

1973
01:14:20.190 --> 01:14:22.199
And to that extent,

1974
01:14:22.200 --> 01:14:24.329
that's sort of the position

1975
01:14:24.330 --> 01:14:26.939
that I have have you in

1976
01:14:26.940 --> 01:14:28.949
when I do inconsequential dark

1977
01:14:28.950 --> 01:14:29.950
room.

1978
01:14:30.870 --> 01:14:33.059
And consequently,

1979
01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:34.800
you remember those images.

1980
01:14:35.900 --> 01:14:37.579
And I think that's the function, how

1981
01:14:37.580 --> 01:14:39.500
I try to deconstruct narrative.

1982
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:42.609
I found it interesting watching all

1983
01:14:42.610 --> 01:14:45.759
of those videos or films

1984
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:47.829
in the way that you guys all sort

1985
01:14:47.830 --> 01:14:48.830
of

1986
01:14:49.660 --> 01:14:50.660
do it.

1987
01:14:51.160 --> 01:14:52.569
And to that extent.

1988
01:14:54.410 --> 01:14:56.379
It's pleasurable.

1989
01:14:56.380 --> 01:14:58.209
Pleasurable for me because I'm

1990
01:14:58.210 --> 01:14:59.210
a maker.

1991
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:01.889
And I see the exercising

1992
01:15:01.890 --> 01:15:03.239
of a process,

1993
01:15:04.440 --> 01:15:06.449
and it's all about process,

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01:15:06.450 --> 01:15:07.450
I think.

1995
01:15:08.620 --> 01:15:10.779
Which you all were indicating

1996
01:15:10.780 --> 01:15:12.619
the processes that you work

1997
01:15:12.620 --> 01:15:13.620
in in?

1998
01:15:14.240 --> 01:15:15.829
So I'm not going to keep talking,

1999
01:15:15.830 --> 01:15:16.830
it's your show.

2000
01:15:20.270 --> 01:15:21.270
OK, thanks.

2001
01:15:22.830 --> 01:15:23.830
Over here.

2002
01:15:28.670 --> 01:15:30.289
Hello. First, I just want to say

2003
01:15:30.290 --> 01:15:32.029
thank you like hearing you guys is

2004
01:15:32.030 --> 01:15:33.030
amazing.

2005
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:35.929
But even when I saw Ulysses work

2006
01:15:35.930 --> 01:15:38.149
and I've seen some of you guys work

2007
01:15:38.150 --> 01:15:40.369
in different galleries and exhibit

2008
01:15:40.370 --> 01:15:42.979
and seeing it here also.

2009
01:15:42.980 --> 01:15:44.569
And I think this was touched on a

2010
01:15:44.570 --> 01:15:46.609
little bit, but I wanted to

2011
01:15:46.610 --> 01:15:48.589
hear more about

2012
01:15:48.590 --> 01:15:50.749
how, like black spirituality

2013
01:15:50.750 --> 01:15:52.639
and religion kind of

2014
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.559
plays a part in all of you guys this

2015
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:55.639
work.

2016
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:56.640
Thank you.

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01:15:58.190 --> 01:15:59.569
Can I can I say something real quick

2018
01:15:59.570 --> 01:16:01.339
about that, which is that I like I

2019
01:16:01.340 --> 01:16:02.629
said, I'm a heathen, but almost

2020
01:16:02.630 --> 01:16:04.579
every artist that I admire

2021
01:16:04.580 --> 01:16:07.369
and and learn from and really study

2022
01:16:07.370 --> 01:16:09.289
in, they actually

2023
01:16:09.290 --> 01:16:11.599
give all credit to

2024
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:12.600
a creator.

2025
01:16:13.700 --> 01:16:15.679
And that might have various names

2026
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:17.599
in forms which I profoundly

2027
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:19.579
respect. And therefore it exists

2028
01:16:19.580 --> 01:16:21.529
in my work because it's in

2029
01:16:21.530 --> 01:16:23.539
their work because they

2030
01:16:23.540 --> 01:16:25.459
are teaching me or taught me in

2031
01:16:25.460 --> 01:16:26.460
some way.

2032
01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:29.479
I think that's like a part

2033
01:16:29.480 --> 01:16:32.209
of a black cultural practice,

2034
01:16:32.210 --> 01:16:34.129
regardless of my my own

2035
01:16:34.130 --> 01:16:35.239
practice and belief.

2036
01:16:35.240 --> 01:16:36.889
It's a it's a part of a practice.

2037
01:16:36.890 --> 01:16:38.719
It's like enacted and done

2038
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:40.729
and embodied regardless

2039
01:16:40.730 --> 01:16:42.910
of a dogma.

2040
01:16:45.990 --> 01:16:47.939
I want you to know I'm a heathen to

2041
01:16:47.940 --> 01:16:49.829
calling my friend right here can

2042
01:16:49.830 --> 01:16:51.419
can attest to that. I'm a heathen.

2043
01:16:51.420 --> 01:16:53.429
He comes up here and card

2044
01:16:53.430 --> 01:16:54.430
carrying members.

2045
01:16:55.620 --> 01:16:57.229
Born and raised,

2046
01:16:57.230 --> 01:16:58.439
born and raised here,

2047
01:16:58.440 --> 01:17:00.389
I made it into the heathen land.

2048
01:17:00.390 --> 01:17:01.390
You know,

2049
01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:04.039
I mean, I guess, you know, I get to

2050
01:17:04.040 --> 01:17:04.979
churches where I learn how to be an

2051
01:17:04.980 --> 01:17:06.389
artist.

2052
01:17:06.390 --> 01:17:07.949
That was the first place that I

2053
01:17:07.950 --> 01:17:09.719
learned about collaboration.

2054
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.059
That church was the first space that

2055
01:17:12.060 --> 01:17:14.939
I had to experiment

2056
01:17:14.940 --> 01:17:17.669
with friends and with people who

2057
01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:19.079
the relationships were deeper than

2058
01:17:19.080 --> 01:17:20.080
the work.

2059
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:21.899
And I think

2060
01:17:23.010 --> 01:17:24.869
what I am often really interested in

2061
01:17:24.870 --> 01:17:26.699
is in reaction from is reaction

2062
01:17:26.700 --> 01:17:27.700
from people.

2063
01:17:28.320 --> 01:17:30.329
And is this sort of spiritual

2064
01:17:30.330 --> 01:17:31.529
enlivening?

2065
01:17:31.530 --> 01:17:33.509
And I think I think

2066
01:17:33.510 --> 01:17:34.469
about I think about spirituality,

2067
01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:35.489
think about church, and I think

2068
01:17:35.490 --> 01:17:37.319
about that far more in the process

2069
01:17:37.320 --> 01:17:39.149
of working in the process of

2070
01:17:39.150 --> 01:17:40.439
collaboration, in the process of

2071
01:17:40.440 --> 01:17:41.729
like getting on the same page with a

2072
01:17:41.730 --> 01:17:43.199
purpose.

2073
01:17:43.200 --> 01:17:45.179
But it

2074
01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:46.529
is. It is still about stirring

2075
01:17:46.530 --> 01:17:47.879
something up and you like you go to

2076
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:49.229
you, go to a good sermon, you hear a

2077
01:17:49.230 --> 01:17:50.999
good pastor, say some stuff, you

2078
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:53.789
know, and you leave

2079
01:17:53.790 --> 01:17:56.129
with some nugget of

2080
01:17:56.130 --> 01:17:58.049
inspiration and a little bit

2081
01:17:58.050 --> 01:18:00.209
of knowledge and a little bit of

2082
01:18:01.740 --> 01:18:02.999
a feeling of connectedness with

2083
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.009
people. And I'm

2084
01:18:05.010 --> 01:18:06.359
just generally just interested in

2085
01:18:06.360 --> 01:18:08.399
trying to plug that in with with in

2086
01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:09.989
any way possible, whether it be in

2087
01:18:09.990 --> 01:18:11.909
the clips pulled or the music chosen

2088
01:18:11.910 --> 01:18:13.649
or whatever, however that happens.

2089
01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:17.909
When I was a kid, I

2090
01:18:17.910 --> 01:18:19.049
used to get a teenager.

2091
01:18:19.050 --> 01:18:20.249
I used to get really terrible

2092
01:18:20.250 --> 01:18:22.409
anxiety from going to church

2093
01:18:22.410 --> 01:18:24.149
is something that I still like, have

2094
01:18:24.150 --> 01:18:25.019
to work through a lot of that

2095
01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:25.829
trauma.

2096
01:18:25.830 --> 01:18:28.229
But I realize and all of my major

2097
01:18:28.230 --> 01:18:30.149
like works, there is

2098
01:18:30.150 --> 01:18:31.979
a church and it's like something I

2099
01:18:31.980 --> 01:18:33.749
can't run from.

2100
01:18:33.750 --> 01:18:35.099
I love Kevin. How you mentioned in

2101
01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:36.839
your work. It's this resurrection.

2102
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:38.189
And I think that for me is the

2103
01:18:38.190 --> 01:18:39.629
spirituality of There's always a

2104
01:18:39.630 --> 01:18:40.630
rebirth.

2105
01:18:41.250 --> 01:18:42.779
I worked with this brilliant writer,

2106
01:18:42.780 --> 01:18:44.819
Lynell Moise, on hallowed ground,

2107
01:18:44.820 --> 01:18:47.069
and she calls these reimaginings

2108
01:18:47.070 --> 01:18:48.959
visual reparations of how

2109
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:50.849
do we give ourselves back and

2110
01:18:50.850 --> 01:18:52.289
not wait for someone else to give us

2111
01:18:52.290 --> 01:18:53.909
that life back?

2112
01:18:53.910 --> 01:18:55.229
And so for me, I think I always

2113
01:18:55.230 --> 01:18:57.059
approach it in

2114
01:18:57.060 --> 01:18:58.979
the sense of this spirit being

2115
01:18:58.980 --> 01:19:01.589
time and that these spirits,

2116
01:19:01.590 --> 01:19:03.509
these ancestors are

2117
01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:04.979
still here with me and there's a

2118
01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:06.839
part of them that I

2119
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:08.939
met in another in another

2120
01:19:08.940 --> 01:19:11.069
realm where I agreed

2121
01:19:11.070 --> 01:19:12.479
to do this, work with them.

2122
01:19:12.480 --> 01:19:15.119
And so I'm wanting to honor that.

2123
01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:16.889
I think a lot about a love song for

2124
01:19:16.890 --> 01:19:19.319
Latasha, and I was telling my

2125
01:19:19.320 --> 01:19:20.849
creative producer Janice, I was

2126
01:19:20.850 --> 01:19:22.589
like, It's crazy to think that there

2127
01:19:22.590 --> 01:19:24.719
was a moment in time where I

2128
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:26.279
talked to Latasha before I was on

2129
01:19:26.280 --> 01:19:28.439
this earth, and we both decided

2130
01:19:28.440 --> 01:19:29.939
that this was going to be something

2131
01:19:29.940 --> 01:19:31.679
that would happen.

2132
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.529
And so I just want to always honor

2133
01:19:34.530 --> 01:19:35.819
honor that.

2134
01:19:35.820 --> 01:19:38.129
Yeah, I think for me now, it's more

2135
01:19:38.130 --> 01:19:39.839
African spirituality rather than

2136
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:41.759
something rooted in Christian

2137
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:43.679
ideology, wanting to

2138
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.569
return back to an

2139
01:19:45.570 --> 01:19:47.459
ancestral truth

2140
01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:49.019
and just, you know, understanding

2141
01:19:49.020 --> 01:19:49.829
that so much.

2142
01:19:49.830 --> 01:19:51.929
I think for me personally, I

2143
01:19:51.930 --> 01:19:53.909
am such a lover of folklore,

2144
01:19:53.910 --> 01:19:56.309
of mythology and understanding

2145
01:19:56.310 --> 01:19:58.499
how this world of truth

2146
01:19:58.500 --> 01:20:01.439
and fiction collide

2147
01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:03.809
and wanting to bring some birth to

2148
01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:05.699
to that imagery and that spirit.

2149
01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:17.669
All right, first of all, I want to

2150
01:20:17.670 --> 01:20:20.339
say I deeply admire everyone

2151
01:20:20.340 --> 01:20:22.649
on the stage and all of that work,

2152
01:20:22.650 --> 01:20:24.869
but this is

2153
01:20:24.870 --> 01:20:25.870
referring to

2154
01:20:27.150 --> 01:20:28.769
resources.

2155
01:20:28.770 --> 01:20:29.879
Music videos, I feel like you

2156
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:31.889
mentioned like there was a budget

2157
01:20:31.890 --> 01:20:33.989
factory there. Missy Elliott was

2158
01:20:33.990 --> 01:20:36.299
doing the most making really

2159
01:20:36.300 --> 01:20:38.010
inspiring pieces, but I'm

2160
01:20:39.390 --> 01:20:41.160
making under.

2161
01:20:42.690 --> 01:20:45.059
I know resources are so sparse

2162
01:20:45.060 --> 01:20:47.339
and random, and and

2163
01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:49.289
so far, I really like,

2164
01:20:49.290 --> 01:20:51.599
you know, not accepting commissions

2165
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:53.399
for anything just because

2166
01:20:54.970 --> 01:20:56.789
resources in that work

2167
01:20:56.790 --> 01:20:58.559
that it takes to get there, to get

2168
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.479
that piece out. But um

2169
01:21:01.650 --> 01:21:03.419
yeah, I feel like I heard Colleen,

2170
01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:05.309
you speak once before in

2171
01:21:05.310 --> 01:21:07.229
a piece just

2172
01:21:07.230 --> 01:21:09.059
about using

2173
01:21:09.060 --> 01:21:11.039
your community to

2174
01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:12.090
create this,

2175
01:21:13.110 --> 01:21:14.249
the bodies of work and the things

2176
01:21:14.250 --> 01:21:14.999
that you want to create.

2177
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.829
And I wouldn't I

2178
01:21:16.830 --> 01:21:17.699
wouldn't put it that way.

2179
01:21:17.700 --> 01:21:19.799
I would say the community enables

2180
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:21.239
me to make the work.

2181
01:21:21.240 --> 01:21:22.379
Yes.

2182
01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:24.419
You were speaking about how

2183
01:21:24.420 --> 01:21:25.420
the community

2184
01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:29.759
you helped create resources

2185
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.229
for the community with this piece

2186
01:21:31.230 --> 01:21:32.230
that you made

2187
01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:35.399
by putting a furnace in a house or

2188
01:21:35.400 --> 01:21:36.659
really doing it for a house.

2189
01:21:36.660 --> 01:21:38.549
But um yeah, I

2190
01:21:38.550 --> 01:21:40.889
would love to just hear

2191
01:21:40.890 --> 01:21:42.509
how.

2192
01:21:42.510 --> 01:21:44.369
The process is what

2193
01:21:44.370 --> 01:21:45.989
resources are how you go about

2194
01:21:45.990 --> 01:21:47.669
creating or do you think about

2195
01:21:47.670 --> 01:21:48.809
resources, are you thinking about

2196
01:21:48.810 --> 01:21:49.810
the worker?

2197
01:21:53.320 --> 01:21:55.059
I mean, I think

2198
01:21:55.060 --> 01:21:57.279
it's a

2199
01:21:57.280 --> 01:21:59.139
scarcity is the the

2200
01:21:59.140 --> 01:22:01.089
the umbrella we

2201
01:22:01.090 --> 01:22:02.139
huddle under.

2202
01:22:02.140 --> 01:22:03.999
I guess it's just like

2203
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:04.629
it's

2204
01:22:04.630 --> 01:22:06.459
a it's like it's an architectural

2205
01:22:06.460 --> 01:22:07.569
structure.

2206
01:22:07.570 --> 01:22:09.669
And I actually

2207
01:22:09.670 --> 01:22:11.619
without being overly romantic

2208
01:22:11.620 --> 01:22:14.169
about scarcity,

2209
01:22:14.170 --> 01:22:15.819
so much of the artworks that I

2210
01:22:15.820 --> 01:22:17.769
admire, particularly in cinema, were

2211
01:22:17.770 --> 01:22:19.759
made that way because

2212
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:21.909
what you see when you don't

2213
01:22:21.910 --> 01:22:24.459
have the apparatus to make polish

2214
01:22:24.460 --> 01:22:27.129
is you, you actually see the hands

2215
01:22:27.130 --> 01:22:29.079
of the people who are making that

2216
01:22:29.080 --> 01:22:30.669
work, even if it's the hand of the

2217
01:22:30.670 --> 01:22:32.679
person who drops the boom into

2218
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:34.539
the scene and lifts it back up,

2219
01:22:34.540 --> 01:22:36.649
they think the presence is there.

2220
01:22:36.650 --> 01:22:38.559
And and and so

2221
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:39.560
it's just

2222
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:42.429
the reason why I wanted to like

2223
01:22:42.430 --> 01:22:44.499
clarify the difference between using

2224
01:22:44.500 --> 01:22:45.939
a community and enabling it is

2225
01:22:45.940 --> 01:22:47.829
because I there aren't

2226
01:22:47.830 --> 01:22:49.659
any things I've ever made where

2227
01:22:50.890 --> 01:22:52.899
I had the full resources

2228
01:22:52.900 --> 01:22:54.939
or even permission, and

2229
01:22:54.940 --> 01:22:57.370
it was permission was granted

2230
01:22:59.020 --> 01:23:01.409
by a community that could have

2231
01:23:01.410 --> 01:23:03.309
shut me down or could shut me

2232
01:23:03.310 --> 01:23:05.349
down any time, all the time.

2233
01:23:05.350 --> 01:23:07.179
And it doesn't happen because

2234
01:23:07.180 --> 01:23:09.729
I think of a way of like approaching

2235
01:23:10.750 --> 01:23:13.179
a space or a place or a neighborhood

2236
01:23:13.180 --> 01:23:15.579
or a block with a kind of regard

2237
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:18.819
and and and respect

2238
01:23:18.820 --> 01:23:20.709
is a little bit too simple

2239
01:23:20.710 --> 01:23:22.629
of a word, a little too concise

2240
01:23:22.630 --> 01:23:23.769
of a word.

2241
01:23:23.770 --> 01:23:25.839
And I think regard as like

2242
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:27.249
much more what I'm getting at

2243
01:23:28.420 --> 01:23:29.919
that enables people to decide that

2244
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.779
it's OK for me to film in

2245
01:23:31.780 --> 01:23:33.609
their driveway or tells

2246
01:23:33.610 --> 01:23:35.169
or enables like someone to say,

2247
01:23:35.170 --> 01:23:36.339
Yeah, it's 3:00 in the morning.

2248
01:23:36.340 --> 01:23:38.529
But if you really need to put

2249
01:23:38.530 --> 01:23:40.419
this extension cable into my living

2250
01:23:40.420 --> 01:23:41.979
room, I'll leave the door cracked

2251
01:23:41.980 --> 01:23:43.779
for you. Things like that happened,

2252
01:23:43.780 --> 01:23:45.489
and there's not there's I don't

2253
01:23:45.490 --> 01:23:47.199
think that that's about I think

2254
01:23:47.200 --> 01:23:48.429
that's about a decision of a

2255
01:23:48.430 --> 01:23:50.169
community when they see something

2256
01:23:50.170 --> 01:23:52.389
being made being created

2257
01:23:52.390 --> 01:23:53.919
out of nothing right before their

2258
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:55.809
eyes and that it's kind of like that

2259
01:23:55.810 --> 01:23:57.549
with the Jesus story.

2260
01:23:57.550 --> 01:23:58.989
I think it could be Moses.

2261
01:23:58.990 --> 01:24:00.369
I'm not sure you know what I've done

2262
01:24:00.370 --> 01:24:02.259
with the the fish and

2263
01:24:02.260 --> 01:24:03.879
the bread, and it just keeps coming

2264
01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:04.749
and coming.

2265
01:24:04.750 --> 01:24:06.409
People just keep bringing more fish

2266
01:24:06.410 --> 01:24:08.169
and more bread, right?

2267
01:24:08.170 --> 01:24:09.489
Am I right? Which one was it?

2268
01:24:09.490 --> 01:24:10.179
Who was it?

2269
01:24:10.180 --> 01:24:10.769
Thank you.

2270
01:24:10.770 --> 01:24:12.819
Okay, you got a receipt?

2271
01:24:12.820 --> 01:24:13.820
Yes.

2272
01:24:14.740 --> 01:24:16.629
And Colleen,

2273
01:24:16.630 --> 01:24:18.910
I love that so much thinking about.

2274
01:24:20.590 --> 01:24:21.909
I have no power.

2275
01:24:21.910 --> 01:24:23.349
The community has all the power and

2276
01:24:23.350 --> 01:24:25.179
they're saying yes or no to me

2277
01:24:25.180 --> 01:24:26.139
and accepting that.

2278
01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:27.609
And I think that's for me.

2279
01:24:27.610 --> 01:24:28.869
That's a mentality of how do you

2280
01:24:28.870 --> 01:24:29.739
decolonize?

2281
01:24:29.740 --> 01:24:31.689
I think it's so often people

2282
01:24:31.690 --> 01:24:33.219
are going to community, get what you

2283
01:24:33.220 --> 01:24:35.439
want and bounce as opposed to

2284
01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:36.579
you were coming in.

2285
01:24:36.580 --> 01:24:38.859
They get to decide how

2286
01:24:38.860 --> 01:24:41.319
you move throughout this space.

2287
01:24:41.320 --> 01:24:43.479
And for I'll

2288
01:24:43.480 --> 01:24:44.829
be honest, for when I made a love

2289
01:24:44.830 --> 01:24:46.449
song for Latasha, I was so broke I

2290
01:24:46.450 --> 01:24:48.699
had to use grant money to pay rent.

2291
01:24:48.700 --> 01:24:51.219
I had to sell camera equipment,

2292
01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:53.589
but I had a community of people

2293
01:24:53.590 --> 01:24:55.479
that really believed in it.

2294
01:24:57.160 --> 01:24:59.079
I had friends from high school

2295
01:24:59.080 --> 01:25:00.999
that came back to

2296
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.069
them in my life to be a part of it.

2297
01:25:03.070 --> 01:25:04.929
Community members I met that

2298
01:25:04.930 --> 01:25:06.459
wanted to also bring this story to

2299
01:25:06.460 --> 01:25:07.569
life.

2300
01:25:07.570 --> 01:25:09.459
The colorist Kyle Lewis here, like

2301
01:25:09.460 --> 01:25:11.709
just people that I met,

2302
01:25:11.710 --> 01:25:12.969
that I was like, I want to build

2303
01:25:12.970 --> 01:25:15.139
with you or I.

2304
01:25:15.140 --> 01:25:16.629
I do need your help.

2305
01:25:16.630 --> 01:25:17.889
Like being honest about, I need your

2306
01:25:17.890 --> 01:25:19.689
help. It was a really hard and

2307
01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:21.219
struggling time for me.

2308
01:25:21.220 --> 01:25:23.109
But while I was doing that,

2309
01:25:23.110 --> 01:25:24.819
I started a self portrait project

2310
01:25:24.820 --> 01:25:26.919
that I a self portrait

2311
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.419
project about levitation that I

2312
01:25:28.420 --> 01:25:29.409
could do by myself.

2313
01:25:29.410 --> 01:25:30.969
I didn't need anyone else about

2314
01:25:30.970 --> 01:25:31.989
levitation.

2315
01:25:31.990 --> 01:25:32.990
Yes, yes.

2316
01:25:36.010 --> 01:25:38.199
And it's something that I return

2317
01:25:38.200 --> 01:25:39.669
to. I've been doing it since twenty

2318
01:25:39.670 --> 01:25:41.469
seventeen, but it reminds me that I

2319
01:25:41.470 --> 01:25:43.359
don't need, you know,

2320
01:25:43.360 --> 01:25:44.349
the scarcity mindset.

2321
01:25:44.350 --> 01:25:46.389
I don't need

2322
01:25:46.390 --> 01:25:48.549
all this money or every camera

2323
01:25:48.550 --> 01:25:49.899
equipment possible to create this.

2324
01:25:49.900 --> 01:25:51.879
I can do this if I just have my own

2325
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:53.859
camera from 2014 and nothing

2326
01:25:53.860 --> 01:25:55.929
else, I know how to do it.

2327
01:25:55.930 --> 01:25:57.609
And that practice has taught me to

2328
01:25:57.610 --> 01:25:59.589
always return to that honesty

2329
01:25:59.590 --> 01:26:01.389
of what happens when the resources

2330
01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:03.249
are low, because I have learned that

2331
01:26:03.250 --> 01:26:04.599
when you do have all the resources,

2332
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:05.979
you are having to give up a lot of

2333
01:26:05.980 --> 01:26:07.149
yourself.

2334
01:26:07.150 --> 01:26:08.079
So trying to figure out that

2335
01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:09.080
balance?

2336
01:26:10.320 --> 01:26:12.219
Yeah. And for me too, I mean, I

2337
01:26:12.220 --> 01:26:14.059
like to, you know, and

2338
01:26:14.060 --> 01:26:15.969
be kind of part of a community not,

2339
01:26:15.970 --> 01:26:17.799
you know. And then so I'm when just

2340
01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:19.899
when I got my man, Kahlil panaceas

2341
01:26:19.900 --> 01:26:21.969
here and we all went,

2342
01:26:21.970 --> 01:26:23.079
we all lived in this building

2343
01:26:23.080 --> 01:26:24.459
together. Place called the high

2344
01:26:24.460 --> 01:26:25.749
school.

2345
01:26:25.750 --> 01:26:27.069
It's like an elementary school in

2346
01:26:27.070 --> 01:26:28.149
the great artist loft.

2347
01:26:28.150 --> 01:26:30.009
And then the people I met.

2348
01:26:30.010 --> 01:26:31.719
There are like family members now

2349
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:32.949
and stuff, and I love them dearly

2350
01:26:32.950 --> 01:26:34.179
and stuff. And then we all kind of

2351
01:26:34.180 --> 01:26:35.739
collaborate and work together.

2352
01:26:35.740 --> 01:26:37.519
And then you just kind of do things.

2353
01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.039
And we had one of our members pass

2354
01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:40.999
away in this past September

2355
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:42.789
or so. So you always think about

2356
01:26:42.790 --> 01:26:44.949
what you know, what the community

2357
01:26:44.950 --> 01:26:46.749
and stuff, and then the resources

2358
01:26:46.750 --> 01:26:48.699
are the community, I think

2359
01:26:48.700 --> 01:26:50.499
the main resources community.

2360
01:26:50.500 --> 01:26:52.869
And then and then I like.

2361
01:26:52.870 --> 01:26:54.789
You know, I mean, here's why I don't

2362
01:26:54.790 --> 01:26:56.019
like special effects, because I like

2363
01:26:56.020 --> 01:26:58.119
the seams and like, you know, like

2364
01:26:58.120 --> 01:26:59.589
like things like seeing the seams.

2365
01:26:59.590 --> 01:27:01.479
Yeah. So and then so you

2366
01:27:01.480 --> 01:27:02.799
see the hand of the artist, right?

2367
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:04.569
You see somebody like, you know,

2368
01:27:04.570 --> 01:27:06.009
somebody was super present there.

2369
01:27:06.010 --> 01:27:07.479
When you see the, you know, like the

2370
01:27:07.480 --> 01:27:09.579
seams, I like a guy in a Godzilla

2371
01:27:09.580 --> 01:27:10.419
suit, right?

2372
01:27:10.420 --> 01:27:12.219
You know, because it's like, you

2373
01:27:12.220 --> 01:27:14.049
know, it's is so real, you know?

2374
01:27:14.050 --> 01:27:15.129
And then they're also like the whole

2375
01:27:15.130 --> 01:27:16.509
idea of just when the seams are

2376
01:27:16.510 --> 01:27:18.459
presence and then that makes me

2377
01:27:18.460 --> 01:27:19.449
happy, so to speak.

2378
01:27:19.450 --> 01:27:21.429
And so, you know, I just make do

2379
01:27:21.430 --> 01:27:23.449
what I have. And then and I

2380
01:27:23.450 --> 01:27:25.299
tell part of that hazel film and

2381
01:27:25.300 --> 01:27:27.459
my man, Tony, he had a studio

2382
01:27:27.460 --> 01:27:28.989
and he let us use it and stuff.

2383
01:27:28.990 --> 01:27:30.819
And it was, you know, like again,

2384
01:27:30.820 --> 01:27:32.379
like they give you permission, so to

2385
01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:33.609
speak. And then so they want to be

2386
01:27:33.610 --> 01:27:34.899
part of what you're doing and the

2387
01:27:34.900 --> 01:27:36.669
neighbor and people believe in you,

2388
01:27:36.670 --> 01:27:37.609
so to speak.

2389
01:27:37.610 --> 01:27:38.739
And so, so and then you want to

2390
01:27:38.740 --> 01:27:40.569
believe it now, whatever I

2391
01:27:40.570 --> 01:27:41.639
sound like,

2392
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.509
I want to believe like,

2393
01:27:43.510 --> 01:27:45.899
I believe in you or you believe me.

2394
01:27:45.900 --> 01:27:47.139
Woo. Yeah.

2395
01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:48.499
So the whole idea of like people

2396
01:27:48.500 --> 01:27:50.049
just kind of just coming together

2397
01:27:50.050 --> 01:27:51.309
for you, for the film.

2398
01:27:51.310 --> 01:27:52.899
So I feel always moved just when I'm

2399
01:27:52.900 --> 01:27:54.459
finished and something, you know,

2400
01:27:54.460 --> 01:27:55.689
because I know like it wasn't

2401
01:27:55.690 --> 01:27:57.039
because I think because I can never

2402
01:27:57.040 --> 01:27:58.559
do anything by myself whenever, so

2403
01:27:58.560 --> 01:27:59.319
to speak, know.

2404
01:27:59.320 --> 01:28:00.320
So

2405
01:28:01.690 --> 01:28:02.629
what's a resource?

2406
01:28:02.630 --> 01:28:03.129
But, you

2407
01:28:03.130 --> 01:28:04.809
know, like

2408
01:28:04.810 --> 01:28:05.810
I'm just getting, you know,

2409
01:28:07.030 --> 01:28:08.589
you know, echo everything you say.

2410
01:28:08.590 --> 01:28:09.729
Community has been the biggest

2411
01:28:09.730 --> 01:28:10.989
resource they I think about.

2412
01:28:10.990 --> 01:28:12.519
I mean, Maori is probably my biggest

2413
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:13.599
collaborator and one of my biggest

2414
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:14.769
collaborators. And I also think

2415
01:28:14.770 --> 01:28:16.149
about the community resource.

2416
01:28:16.150 --> 01:28:18.049
BlackStar is in Philly and

2417
01:28:18.050 --> 01:28:19.899
in like, you

2418
01:28:19.900 --> 01:28:20.799
know, you don't have money, so

2419
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:21.819
you're making work with people next

2420
01:28:21.820 --> 01:28:23.199
to you and you know your home.

2421
01:28:23.200 --> 01:28:24.579
You can cut, you got $200.

2422
01:28:24.580 --> 01:28:25.719
Let's go. You know your home.

2423
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.279
He can, you got a couple, you've got

2424
01:28:27.280 --> 01:28:28.179
a couple of HMRC.

2425
01:28:28.180 --> 01:28:29.289
I know they burn people's eyes, but

2426
01:28:29.290 --> 01:28:30.309
we can we can rock out with that.

2427
01:28:30.310 --> 01:28:31.310
Let's bring that through.

2428
01:28:32.200 --> 01:28:33.909
And like trying to figure out what

2429
01:28:33.910 --> 01:28:35.529
the I guess I'm always I've been

2430
01:28:35.530 --> 01:28:36.549
thinking about what's the purpose of

2431
01:28:36.550 --> 01:28:37.479
what I'm trying to create and what

2432
01:28:37.480 --> 01:28:38.829
I'm trying to evoke from what I'm

2433
01:28:38.830 --> 01:28:41.049
trying to create and like, what

2434
01:28:41.050 --> 01:28:42.879
what are the minimum tools I need to

2435
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:44.469
like? Make this point.

2436
01:28:44.470 --> 01:28:46.059
And everything else is gravy, but it

2437
01:28:46.060 --> 01:28:47.079
still feels like it all goes back to

2438
01:28:47.080 --> 01:28:49.359
community like the

2439
01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:50.739
collaboration, even the time spent

2440
01:28:50.740 --> 01:28:52.239
with people just teasing out ideas

2441
01:28:52.240 --> 01:28:53.699
and like arguing about stuff, train

2442
01:28:53.700 --> 01:28:55.059
music videos, back and forth,

2443
01:28:55.060 --> 01:28:56.979
trading references back and forth

2444
01:28:56.980 --> 01:28:57.759
like that.

2445
01:28:57.760 --> 01:28:59.210
It's an ongoing thing.

2446
01:29:00.490 --> 01:29:01.809
But it seems like you do

2447
01:29:01.810 --> 01:29:03.759
give what you can to write because

2448
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.709
I was just thinking about a

2449
01:29:05.710 --> 01:29:07.629
day and shooting day long so where

2450
01:29:07.630 --> 01:29:09.789
the shoe got shut down because,

2451
01:29:09.790 --> 01:29:11.619
um, someone on the block

2452
01:29:11.620 --> 01:29:12.999
was fighting with someone else on

2453
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.189
the block and they kind of

2454
01:29:15.190 --> 01:29:16.839
they we could be an audience.

2455
01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:19.029
So the fight kind of came to us

2456
01:29:19.030 --> 01:29:21.219
and we just

2457
01:29:21.220 --> 01:29:23.049
let me just let it ride like

2458
01:29:23.050 --> 01:29:26.139
I lost a day of like shooting.

2459
01:29:26.140 --> 01:29:27.849
And then it was time for lunch.

2460
01:29:27.850 --> 01:29:29.919
So everybody, everybody ate

2461
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:31.839
the Block eight, and that was

2462
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:33.219
like, we just hemorrhaged money that

2463
01:29:33.220 --> 01:29:34.899
day, basically.

2464
01:29:34.900 --> 01:29:36.759
But then piece for the next

2465
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:38.589
two weeks like total and utter

2466
01:29:38.590 --> 01:29:40.059
peace.

2467
01:29:40.060 --> 01:29:42.369
And and and and and and

2468
01:29:42.370 --> 01:29:43.659
we never thought about that money

2469
01:29:43.660 --> 01:29:44.829
that day while it was happening.

2470
01:29:44.830 --> 01:29:45.969
We're just like these Negroes are

2471
01:29:45.970 --> 01:29:47.469
going to eat. They don't eat

2472
01:29:47.470 --> 01:29:49.029
our whole shoot

2473
01:29:49.030 --> 01:29:49.989
like you don't know me.

2474
01:29:49.990 --> 01:29:50.779
We're just like.

2475
01:29:50.780 --> 01:29:52.509
And it's like every run rec in

2476
01:29:52.510 --> 01:29:54.399
Oakland was on our lawn, like

2477
01:29:54.400 --> 01:29:55.809
every child of Oakland.

2478
01:29:55.810 --> 01:29:58.089
But but then it was then

2479
01:29:58.090 --> 01:30:00.219
like that that that

2480
01:30:00.220 --> 01:30:02.919
hospitality actually turned into

2481
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:04.779
a currency. I guess I hate to use

2482
01:30:04.780 --> 01:30:06.609
that word, but it became

2483
01:30:06.610 --> 01:30:07.610
something, you know?

2484
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:11.680
See,

2485
01:30:12.660 --> 01:30:15.039
I sort of, yeah,

2486
01:30:15.040 --> 01:30:16.259
I love this. OK, there we go.

2487
01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:18.159
Oh, fantastic.

2488
01:30:18.160 --> 01:30:19.329
First and foremost, just beautiful

2489
01:30:19.330 --> 01:30:20.169
work, everybody.

2490
01:30:20.170 --> 01:30:21.519
Thank you guys for sharing.

2491
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:23.859
Learned a lot watching you all.

2492
01:30:23.860 --> 01:30:26.139
I have a question for Rashid.

2493
01:30:26.140 --> 01:30:28.089
Feel free to anybody else to chime

2494
01:30:28.090 --> 01:30:29.979
in. But I was really intrigued by

2495
01:30:29.980 --> 01:30:32.229
this idea of

2496
01:30:32.230 --> 01:30:34.059
reimagining footage

2497
01:30:34.060 --> 01:30:35.559
that's already out there,

2498
01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:37.539
particularly with the Allen Iverson

2499
01:30:38.620 --> 01:30:39.979
piece that he did, the editing that

2500
01:30:39.980 --> 01:30:40.899
she did with that.

2501
01:30:40.900 --> 01:30:42.579
And I guess my question is, how do

2502
01:30:42.580 --> 01:30:43.580
you balance?

2503
01:30:44.830 --> 01:30:45.830
How do you balance?

2504
01:30:47.480 --> 01:30:49.549
Exploring that medium, but then also

2505
01:30:49.550 --> 01:30:51.529
that medium being seen like

2506
01:30:51.530 --> 01:30:53.239
there was a there's been a lot of

2507
01:30:53.240 --> 01:30:54.240
conversations about

2508
01:30:56.030 --> 01:30:57.859
how deejaying is similar to editing

2509
01:30:57.860 --> 01:30:58.909
and things like that.

2510
01:30:58.910 --> 01:31:00.799
And while some of those things, some

2511
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.449
of the sampling you might call, you

2512
01:31:02.450 --> 01:31:03.739
might be able to get away with music

2513
01:31:03.740 --> 01:31:04.699
in the film world. That's a

2514
01:31:04.700 --> 01:31:06.229
completely different situation I

2515
01:31:06.230 --> 01:31:07.339
could imagine.

2516
01:31:07.340 --> 01:31:09.199
You know that Allen Iverson clip

2517
01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:10.249
the amount of hoops you would have

2518
01:31:10.250 --> 01:31:12.019
to go through for that to be seen.

2519
01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:13.699
And I know that in a vacuum or at a

2520
01:31:13.700 --> 01:31:15.349
film festival or what have you, that

2521
01:31:15.350 --> 01:31:16.350
might be a different

2522
01:31:17.390 --> 01:31:18.649
might be a different journey.

2523
01:31:18.650 --> 01:31:20.569
But you know, somebody talked

2524
01:31:20.570 --> 01:31:22.649
about the spirituality of, you know,

2525
01:31:22.650 --> 01:31:24.499
of cinema and soul

2526
01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:25.519
stirring, you like. That's something

2527
01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:26.899
that stirred my soul.

2528
01:31:26.900 --> 01:31:28.099
I don't know if that's something I

2529
01:31:28.100 --> 01:31:29.989
would be able to see on a large

2530
01:31:29.990 --> 01:31:31.999
scale because of the hoops

2531
01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:33.799
you'd have to go through to be able

2532
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:35.749
to do what you so eloquently did,

2533
01:31:35.750 --> 01:31:36.889
especially if you wanted to do that

2534
01:31:36.890 --> 01:31:37.939
with something like, I don't know,

2535
01:31:37.940 --> 01:31:39.799
Predator or some Leonardo DiCaprio

2536
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:41.249
footage or something like that.

2537
01:31:41.250 --> 01:31:43.819
So how do you balance that

2538
01:31:43.820 --> 01:31:45.259
and how do you balance that in your

2539
01:31:45.260 --> 01:31:46.099
work?

2540
01:31:46.100 --> 01:31:46.999
Is that something that you think

2541
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:48.000
about?

2542
01:31:48.470 --> 01:31:49.489
I'm trying to figure that out now,

2543
01:31:49.490 --> 01:31:51.479
honestly, that that

2544
01:31:51.480 --> 01:31:53.509
the piece he's talking about is this

2545
01:31:53.510 --> 01:31:55.399
this piece we're talking about hurt.

2546
01:31:55.400 --> 01:31:56.869
If you all remember that if you've

2547
01:31:56.870 --> 01:31:58.249
ever seen the Allison Agsten Allen

2548
01:31:58.250 --> 01:32:00.229
Iverson quote unquote practice rant

2549
01:32:00.230 --> 01:32:01.309
that got cut into these little

2550
01:32:01.310 --> 01:32:02.619
pieces and it's like, you know, he's

2551
01:32:02.620 --> 01:32:03.709
got to show up for practice,

2552
01:32:03.710 --> 01:32:05.059
practice, practice.

2553
01:32:05.060 --> 01:32:06.439
But if you listen to the interview,

2554
01:32:06.440 --> 01:32:07.939
Allen Iverson says hurt far more

2555
01:32:07.940 --> 01:32:09.229
times than he said practice he lost

2556
01:32:09.230 --> 01:32:10.459
his best friend.

2557
01:32:10.460 --> 01:32:11.659
He he didn't show up to practice

2558
01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:12.739
because his best friend just died.

2559
01:32:12.740 --> 01:32:13.999
He was in the dumps.

2560
01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:15.919
And yeah, just to give that

2561
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:17.179
piece a little bit, a little bit of

2562
01:32:17.180 --> 01:32:19.549
context in terms of how

2563
01:32:19.550 --> 01:32:20.839
to get that piece shown.

2564
01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:22.189
I'm still figuring that out, to be

2565
01:32:22.190 --> 01:32:23.569
honest.

2566
01:32:23.570 --> 01:32:24.919
I do little experiments with just

2567
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:26.179
like YouTube and Instagram testing

2568
01:32:26.180 --> 01:32:27.169
to see what the censors will take

2569
01:32:27.170 --> 01:32:29.029
down. And just to see what

2570
01:32:29.030 --> 01:32:30.409
the battle recognize with the bots

2571
01:32:30.410 --> 01:32:31.699
and recognize how can I slip some

2572
01:32:31.700 --> 01:32:33.689
things past the bots to

2573
01:32:33.690 --> 01:32:34.519
to get something seen.

2574
01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:36.409
But on a larger scale, I'm

2575
01:32:36.410 --> 01:32:37.999
still honestly learning and figuring

2576
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.249
out some of the legalities of,

2577
01:32:40.250 --> 01:32:41.629
you know, I have this piece that I

2578
01:32:41.630 --> 01:32:42.589
have a, you know, a hard drive of

2579
01:32:42.590 --> 01:32:43.879
stuff that I've just been pilfered

2580
01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:45.589
from YouTube and Vine and TikTok and

2581
01:32:45.590 --> 01:32:47.509
all these places all these years and

2582
01:32:47.510 --> 01:32:48.289
even figuring out what his

2583
01:32:48.290 --> 01:32:50.419
authorship mean of,

2584
01:32:50.420 --> 01:32:51.679
you know, taking bits and pieces

2585
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:53.059
from each one of these things.

2586
01:32:53.060 --> 01:32:54.379
This is my work that I'm making, but

2587
01:32:54.380 --> 01:32:55.459
it's this work that I'm making from

2588
01:32:55.460 --> 01:32:56.389
other people's intellectual

2589
01:32:56.390 --> 01:32:57.390
property.

2590
01:32:58.220 --> 01:32:59.529
And to be honest, I'm not.

2591
01:32:59.530 --> 01:33:00.859
I'm not quite sure yet until I get,

2592
01:33:00.860 --> 01:33:02.299
you know, some resources or a big

2593
01:33:02.300 --> 01:33:04.039
chunk of change to be able to pay

2594
01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:05.299
some lawyers to be able to pay some

2595
01:33:05.300 --> 01:33:06.709
folks to do that. It's all pirate

2596
01:33:06.710 --> 01:33:07.999
right now.

2597
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:09.229
You know, make it.

2598
01:33:09.230 --> 01:33:10.749
It gets slipped into a set, make it.

2599
01:33:10.750 --> 01:33:12.199
It gets slipped in a festival, make

2600
01:33:12.200 --> 01:33:13.249
it and it gets slipped into place.

2601
01:33:13.250 --> 01:33:15.049
But I'm honestly still trying to

2602
01:33:15.050 --> 01:33:16.759
figure out where a lot of this work

2603
01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:18.409
can even live because it doesn't

2604
01:33:18.410 --> 01:33:19.939
feel like we've quite caught up.

2605
01:33:19.940 --> 01:33:21.379
The copyright stuff hasn't quite

2606
01:33:21.380 --> 01:33:23.299
caught up to how fast

2607
01:33:23.300 --> 01:33:25.579
artists are working and remixing.

2608
01:33:25.580 --> 01:33:27.349
And yeah, because I feel like

2609
01:33:27.350 --> 01:33:28.549
everybody's remixing internet

2610
01:33:28.550 --> 01:33:29.779
content out because it's available,

2611
01:33:29.780 --> 01:33:30.979
it's all these colors for us to

2612
01:33:30.980 --> 01:33:32.869
paint with. So I

2613
01:33:32.870 --> 01:33:33.870
was, you know, when I find out.

2614
01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:39.889
Hi, can you hear me okay?

2615
01:33:39.890 --> 01:33:41.769
Um, my question

2616
01:33:41.770 --> 01:33:43.659
goes along with that one really

2617
01:33:43.660 --> 01:33:45.799
well, actually, but um,

2618
01:33:46.990 --> 01:33:48.879
I was mainly wondering, I'm really

2619
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.499
interested in like the idea of

2620
01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:52.239
archival footage and all of your

2621
01:33:52.240 --> 01:33:53.439
relationships with it

2622
01:33:54.970 --> 01:33:56.979
and how even the work that you

2623
01:33:56.980 --> 01:33:58.839
guys have filmed yourselves feels

2624
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:01.409
archival in its own way.

2625
01:34:01.410 --> 01:34:03.729
Um, and

2626
01:34:03.730 --> 01:34:06.069
like that ownership with

2627
01:34:06.070 --> 01:34:07.989
the way that what

2628
01:34:07.990 --> 01:34:09.999
you're using is speaking

2629
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:11.859
on its own. And so like,

2630
01:34:11.860 --> 01:34:13.839
I was going to also start out with

2631
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:15.920
asking Rashid and.

2632
01:34:17.040 --> 01:34:19.109
About that involving

2633
01:34:19.110 --> 01:34:20.399
like with the editing.

2634
01:34:21.690 --> 01:34:23.459
I mainly thought of it with the

2635
01:34:23.460 --> 01:34:25.409
Childish Gambino this is America

2636
01:34:25.410 --> 01:34:27.449
cut when you like, cut it right

2637
01:34:27.450 --> 01:34:29.429
before he, like fully extended

2638
01:34:29.430 --> 01:34:30.430
the gun.

2639
01:34:31.530 --> 01:34:32.699
Yeah. And just how you make those

2640
01:34:32.700 --> 01:34:34.079
pieces your own, but how you let

2641
01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:36.239
them stand out and also

2642
01:34:36.240 --> 01:34:38.519
how you incorporate your own footage

2643
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.679
into pieces that you find

2644
01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:42.540
into that larger context.

2645
01:34:44.710 --> 01:34:45.710
Um

2646
01:34:46.550 --> 01:34:47.699
yeah. I guess maybe to get some

2647
01:34:47.700 --> 01:34:49.139
quick context just for the Childish

2648
01:34:49.140 --> 01:34:51.839
Gambino piece, the music under it is

2649
01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:53.279
Michael Cera, kind of, as I'm

2650
01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:54.659
completely mispronouncing his name.

2651
01:34:54.660 --> 01:34:56.049
I'm so sorry.

2652
01:34:56.050 --> 01:34:57.989
A remix my friend Dave did of his

2653
01:34:57.990 --> 01:34:59.219
song I'm a Black Man in a white

2654
01:34:59.220 --> 01:35:01.079
world that, with a little bit of

2655
01:35:01.080 --> 01:35:02.489
time stretching, just ended up like

2656
01:35:02.490 --> 01:35:03.989
even the nuance of that song really

2657
01:35:03.990 --> 01:35:05.489
worked really well with some of the

2658
01:35:05.490 --> 01:35:06.419
background dancing that was

2659
01:35:06.420 --> 01:35:07.649
happening, some of the main dancing

2660
01:35:07.650 --> 01:35:09.059
that was happening in there.

2661
01:35:09.060 --> 01:35:10.060
And

2662
01:35:10.980 --> 01:35:12.869
I guess in my own practice, a lot

2663
01:35:12.870 --> 01:35:14.789
of it is has recently been a lot

2664
01:35:14.790 --> 01:35:16.919
of that remixing of like

2665
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:18.209
playing and playing a music video,

2666
01:35:18.210 --> 01:35:19.589
playing a song, seeing you know

2667
01:35:19.590 --> 01:35:20.699
where the big themes match up and

2668
01:35:20.700 --> 01:35:22.079
just seeing if some meaning this

2669
01:35:22.080 --> 01:35:23.099
third piece of meaning is sort of

2670
01:35:23.100 --> 01:35:24.929
created there and in

2671
01:35:24.930 --> 01:35:26.969
these sort of pieces

2672
01:35:26.970 --> 01:35:29.189
similar to to, you know,

2673
01:35:29.190 --> 01:35:30.389
Maori mentioned this piece revival,

2674
01:35:30.390 --> 01:35:32.579
which is like a video DJ set

2675
01:35:32.580 --> 01:35:33.960
again thinking about how to sort of,

2676
01:35:35.070 --> 01:35:37.409
you know, that cut on Gambino

2677
01:35:37.410 --> 01:35:38.609
about to shoot the dude.

2678
01:35:38.610 --> 01:35:40.589
I cut it just because, like one,

2679
01:35:40.590 --> 01:35:41.819
I don't really like seeing people

2680
01:35:41.820 --> 01:35:43.739
getting shot on screen, but it's

2681
01:35:43.740 --> 01:35:45.239
also like a moment of tension to be

2682
01:35:45.240 --> 01:35:47.189
able to sort of try

2683
01:35:47.190 --> 01:35:48.209
to say something else or whatever

2684
01:35:48.210 --> 01:35:49.649
comes after that, you know, like

2685
01:35:49.650 --> 01:35:50.849
it's kind of taking this moment of

2686
01:35:50.850 --> 01:35:51.779
tension that you kind of know

2687
01:35:51.780 --> 01:35:52.919
something's about to go down and

2688
01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:54.509
like, you're rested.

2689
01:35:54.510 --> 01:35:55.289
OK, cool. What?

2690
01:35:55.290 --> 01:35:56.189
What? What's next?

2691
01:35:56.190 --> 01:35:58.709
See, what's the left turn that is

2692
01:35:58.710 --> 01:36:00.539
my voice either intervening

2693
01:36:00.540 --> 01:36:01.619
and making a little bit of

2694
01:36:01.620 --> 01:36:02.939
commentary, but pulling up left

2695
01:36:04.080 --> 01:36:05.489
again is something I'm on.

2696
01:36:05.490 --> 01:36:06.839
I'm still kind of exploring, but

2697
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:08.399
it's a lot of just messing stuff up

2698
01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:10.469
together to see what sticks and

2699
01:36:10.470 --> 01:36:12.449
going through long life lots

2700
01:36:12.450 --> 01:36:14.279
and lots of stolen and

2701
01:36:14.280 --> 01:36:16.049
pirated pirated videos.

2702
01:36:16.050 --> 01:36:16.889
And yeah, just put stuff on a

2703
01:36:16.890 --> 01:36:18.509
timeline to see what fits or, you

2704
01:36:18.510 --> 01:36:20.549
know, loading things up in Toronto.

2705
01:36:20.550 --> 01:36:22.289
And, you know, pushing one song,

2706
01:36:22.290 --> 01:36:23.459
slowing the tempo down on another

2707
01:36:23.460 --> 01:36:24.899
clip to really just see what comes,

2708
01:36:24.900 --> 01:36:26.969
what comes of that and where I can

2709
01:36:26.970 --> 01:36:28.439
introduce other interventions.

2710
01:36:28.440 --> 01:36:30.270
I'm curious about your with archival

2711
01:36:31.380 --> 01:36:33.269
and having used

2712
01:36:33.270 --> 01:36:34.829
archival footage in a while.

2713
01:36:34.830 --> 01:36:36.000
So yeah.

2714
01:36:37.970 --> 01:36:40.099
Yeah. Uh, yeah,

2715
01:36:40.100 --> 01:36:40.249
I

2716
01:36:40.250 --> 01:36:41.419
just haven't used it in the way I

2717
01:36:41.420 --> 01:36:43.099
like, see, although we've been using

2718
01:36:43.100 --> 01:36:44.989
music from other sources, from

2719
01:36:44.990 --> 01:36:46.789
sources, so but

2720
01:36:46.790 --> 01:36:48.439
you know, but I feel like Kevin,

2721
01:36:48.440 --> 01:36:49.519
you're actively creating the

2722
01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:50.779
archive.

2723
01:36:50.780 --> 01:36:52.199
Make a hundred films a year.

2724
01:36:52.200 --> 01:36:54.139
You know? No, but

2725
01:36:54.140 --> 01:36:55.759
yeah, I know.

2726
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:56.739
But they're all the same thing.

2727
01:36:56.740 --> 01:36:58.100
This car is going around in circles

2728
01:36:59.450 --> 01:37:02.119
and around and around, but

2729
01:37:02.120 --> 01:37:03.139
I haven't.

2730
01:37:03.140 --> 01:37:04.999
Maybe I guess,

2731
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:06.259
I guess I am green, some kind of

2732
01:37:06.260 --> 01:37:08.239
weird art guy, but but just mostly

2733
01:37:08.240 --> 01:37:09.289
this kind of formal art

2734
01:37:09.290 --> 01:37:10.129
relationships.

2735
01:37:10.130 --> 01:37:11.130
But yeah, but.

2736
01:37:12.030 --> 01:37:13.030
You know, you

2737
01:37:14.040 --> 01:37:16.049
only want to have permission, so not

2738
01:37:16.050 --> 01:37:19.139
often and and

2739
01:37:19.140 --> 01:37:20.140
um.

2740
01:37:21.870 --> 01:37:23.909
Not pop culture so much,

2741
01:37:23.910 --> 01:37:25.769
because I I can't

2742
01:37:25.770 --> 01:37:27.599
unsee all the mechanisms that

2743
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:28.600
have made that.

2744
01:37:29.700 --> 01:37:31.139
But that has put that in front of

2745
01:37:31.140 --> 01:37:33.779
me, and I can't disentangle

2746
01:37:33.780 --> 01:37:35.759
it. So the image to me is

2747
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:36.760
really weighted.

2748
01:37:38.100 --> 01:37:40.229
So it's like National

2749
01:37:40.230 --> 01:37:42.689
Geographic footage or NASCAR,

2750
01:37:42.690 --> 01:37:44.129
it's all free.

2751
01:37:44.130 --> 01:37:45.599
It all belongs to the people.

2752
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.459
You can use anything on NSA

2753
01:37:47.460 --> 01:37:49.349
and this or Nat

2754
01:37:49.350 --> 01:37:50.999
Geo. I don't mind stealing from

2755
01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:52.859
them, Mike sources

2756
01:37:52.860 --> 01:37:54.809
that I enjoy stealing

2757
01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:56.309
from our sources that are free or

2758
01:37:56.310 --> 01:37:58.709
sources that are ancient or

2759
01:37:58.710 --> 01:38:00.239
sources where I've been granted

2760
01:38:00.240 --> 01:38:01.439
permission.

2761
01:38:01.440 --> 01:38:03.329
Yeah, and always like, I'm much

2762
01:38:03.330 --> 01:38:04.319
more interested in the kind of

2763
01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:06.489
appropriation where

2764
01:38:06.490 --> 01:38:08.459
all of the whole context

2765
01:38:08.460 --> 01:38:09.460
is

2766
01:38:10.380 --> 01:38:13.589
renewed or sort of like regenerated.

2767
01:38:13.590 --> 01:38:15.539
And that requires some distance, you

2768
01:38:15.540 --> 01:38:17.519
know, because

2769
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.499
I assume that

2770
01:38:19.500 --> 01:38:21.359
what's exciting about Childish

2771
01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:22.859
Gambino is that it's Childish

2772
01:38:22.860 --> 01:38:23.759
Gambino.

2773
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:24.929
You know what I mean?

2774
01:38:24.930 --> 01:38:26.929
And and

2775
01:38:26.930 --> 01:38:29.549
and I'm I'm I completely

2776
01:38:29.550 --> 01:38:31.259
invest. I'm kind of interested in

2777
01:38:31.260 --> 01:38:33.039
him, you know what I mean?

2778
01:38:33.040 --> 01:38:35.249
Um, but when I'm trying to make

2779
01:38:35.250 --> 01:38:36.839
when I'm trying to make something,

2780
01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:38.099
I'm trying to.

2781
01:38:39.490 --> 01:38:41.349
Make something that I can't see,

2782
01:38:41.350 --> 01:38:43.059
I guess. You know what I mean?

2783
01:38:43.060 --> 01:38:44.889
Yeah, yeah, I see the

2784
01:38:44.890 --> 01:38:46.749
archive is like an iceberg in the

2785
01:38:46.750 --> 01:38:48.609
sense of everything that we

2786
01:38:48.610 --> 01:38:50.169
have access to is just the tip of

2787
01:38:50.170 --> 01:38:51.969
the iceberg, and I'm interested in

2788
01:38:51.970 --> 01:38:53.440
everything that's underneath it.

2789
01:38:54.510 --> 01:38:56.649
I for me, it's about

2790
01:38:56.650 --> 01:38:58.719
how do I rebuild an archive,

2791
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.159
especially when we're thinking about

2792
01:39:00.160 --> 01:39:01.539
like black woman or black queer

2793
01:39:01.540 --> 01:39:03.399
folks. The archive, a lot of

2794
01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:05.469
times does not exist in the

2795
01:39:05.470 --> 01:39:07.449
way that tells a full story.

2796
01:39:08.620 --> 01:39:10.689
So rebuilding an invisible

2797
01:39:10.690 --> 01:39:12.699
or spiritual archive and a lot

2798
01:39:12.700 --> 01:39:14.979
of times as well, there's a very,

2799
01:39:14.980 --> 01:39:16.479
I think, a violent relationship with

2800
01:39:16.480 --> 01:39:18.489
the archive in the sense of who has

2801
01:39:18.490 --> 01:39:19.490
access to it.

2802
01:39:20.320 --> 01:39:22.059
You know, just a lot of how

2803
01:39:22.060 --> 01:39:24.139
expensive it is to license something

2804
01:39:24.140 --> 01:39:25.140
I'll never forget.

2805
01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:27.849
You know, just going to the Library

2806
01:39:27.850 --> 01:39:29.769
of Congress, seeing

2807
01:39:29.770 --> 01:39:31.749
what you can and cannot

2808
01:39:31.750 --> 01:39:32.979
have.

2809
01:39:32.980 --> 01:39:34.809
But I also think a lot about the

2810
01:39:34.810 --> 01:39:36.039
black woman whose archives have been

2811
01:39:36.040 --> 01:39:37.719
destroyed when Zora Neale Hurston

2812
01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:39.069
died.

2813
01:39:39.070 --> 01:39:41.079
A neighbor was walking by her home

2814
01:39:41.080 --> 01:39:42.699
and saw them burning all of her

2815
01:39:42.700 --> 01:39:44.409
material. So it's like, Well, what?

2816
01:39:44.410 --> 01:39:45.669
What is it that we'll never know

2817
01:39:45.670 --> 01:39:48.099
that Zora created that she

2818
01:39:48.100 --> 01:39:50.589
that she wrote that she trumped up?

2819
01:39:50.590 --> 01:39:52.209
And even to this day, we're still

2820
01:39:52.210 --> 01:39:54.789
having new works of hers reemerge.

2821
01:39:54.790 --> 01:39:56.049
So I'm really interested in the

2822
01:39:56.050 --> 01:39:58.299
archive that is not visible and

2823
01:39:58.300 --> 01:40:01.409
doesn't exist in a tangible sense.

2824
01:40:01.410 --> 01:40:03.279
So something else to calling

2825
01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:04.329
you just kind of put up for me, is

2826
01:40:04.330 --> 01:40:06.129
it? I think we enjoy working with

2827
01:40:06.130 --> 01:40:07.569
things that are recognizable.

2828
01:40:07.570 --> 01:40:09.489
I think my heroes are all hip hop

2829
01:40:09.490 --> 01:40:11.709
sample or hip hop producers.

2830
01:40:11.710 --> 01:40:13.179
And thinking about how video can be

2831
01:40:13.180 --> 01:40:15.009
treated like a sample,

2832
01:40:15.010 --> 01:40:16.119
how can I take this thing that we're

2833
01:40:16.120 --> 01:40:17.109
familiar with that we've seen

2834
01:40:17.110 --> 01:40:18.399
before? You know it

2835
01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:20.079
and you're using it because of how

2836
01:40:20.080 --> 01:40:22.839
we know it? Exactly, exactly.

2837
01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:24.279
Because I like I'm not crazy about

2838
01:40:24.280 --> 01:40:26.199
the song This is America.

2839
01:40:26.200 --> 01:40:28.029
It's low key, kind of corny, but the

2840
01:40:28.030 --> 01:40:29.589
video, to me is super dope.

2841
01:40:30.790 --> 01:40:31.929
And it's like, What can I do with

2842
01:40:31.930 --> 01:40:32.799
this thing?

2843
01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:33.409
You know what I mean?

2844
01:40:33.410 --> 01:40:35.049
It's like another way to

2845
01:40:35.050 --> 01:40:36.879
school, but this you know this this

2846
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:38.499
this loop, this bar, this moment

2847
01:40:38.500 --> 01:40:39.279
here is really, really dope.

2848
01:40:39.280 --> 01:40:40.179
The sample.

2849
01:40:40.180 --> 01:40:41.649
And like, how can I like play with

2850
01:40:41.650 --> 01:40:43.179
our color collective perceptions

2851
01:40:43.180 --> 01:40:44.529
with that matched up against a bunch

2852
01:40:44.530 --> 01:40:45.609
of stuff?

2853
01:40:45.610 --> 01:40:46.989
Yeah. And I figure it was something

2854
01:40:46.990 --> 01:40:48.069
he was saying to us. I remember

2855
01:40:48.070 --> 01:40:48.879
there wasn't.

2856
01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:50.859
I remember going to all these like

2857
01:40:50.860 --> 01:40:52.059
experimental film festivals and

2858
01:40:52.060 --> 01:40:54.579
early 2000s and seeing people using

2859
01:40:54.580 --> 01:40:56.139
found footage films, but I couldn't

2860
01:40:56.140 --> 01:40:58.059
find any black folks in

2861
01:40:58.060 --> 01:40:59.919
it. So then I started shooting stuff

2862
01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:01.599
to look like film footage, you know,

2863
01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:02.739
so to speak. And then I started

2864
01:41:02.740 --> 01:41:04.899
finding stuff in stores,

2865
01:41:04.900 --> 01:41:06.009
and then I started kind of building

2866
01:41:06.010 --> 01:41:07.389
films from that, so to speak.

2867
01:41:07.390 --> 01:41:08.589
Yeah, but yeah, I just want to kind

2868
01:41:08.590 --> 01:41:10.310
of create your own kind of thing.

2869
01:41:11.350 --> 01:41:12.849
This is crazy, too, because like the

2870
01:41:12.850 --> 01:41:14.499
archive is also like every day the

2871
01:41:14.500 --> 01:41:16.449
archive triples with social media,

2872
01:41:16.450 --> 01:41:18.279
you know, like the content

2873
01:41:18.280 --> 01:41:20.259
that black folks are creating on, on

2874
01:41:20.260 --> 01:41:22.359
Instagram and on TikTok

2875
01:41:22.360 --> 01:41:24.189
and on Twitter, like all of those,

2876
01:41:24.190 --> 01:41:25.569
things also feel really valuable,

2877
01:41:25.570 --> 01:41:26.889
like really feel like really

2878
01:41:26.890 --> 01:41:28.779
valuable cultural artifacts

2879
01:41:28.780 --> 01:41:30.489
to be tossed in and to be played

2880
01:41:30.490 --> 01:41:32.139
with and to be toyed with.

2881
01:41:32.140 --> 01:41:33.369
And we're making more and more of

2882
01:41:33.370 --> 01:41:34.629
that. Like every day, I forget how

2883
01:41:34.630 --> 01:41:36.159
many petabytes of data we create,

2884
01:41:36.160 --> 01:41:38.169
but it like doubles on some like

2885
01:41:38.170 --> 01:41:39.759
crazy scale.

2886
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:41.619
Yeah, but and then also too to work

2887
01:41:41.620 --> 01:41:43.479
with it. That's a discipline on its

2888
01:41:43.480 --> 01:41:44.319
own.

2889
01:41:44.320 --> 01:41:46.479
And then so and then that's a craft,

2890
01:41:46.480 --> 01:41:48.759
and I've seen it done badly,

2891
01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:49.959
you know, but I've seen it done like

2892
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:50.829
fantastic though.

2893
01:41:50.830 --> 01:41:52.659
But yeah, but there's like a lot of.

2894
01:41:52.660 --> 01:41:53.709
But I think just to kind of

2895
01:41:53.710 --> 01:41:55.539
understand this

2896
01:41:55.540 --> 01:41:56.979
great relationships that went into

2897
01:41:56.980 --> 01:41:59.619
making that stuff and then also

2898
01:41:59.620 --> 01:42:00.639
your relationships that you're

2899
01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:02.059
doing, making it do as well become

2900
01:42:02.060 --> 01:42:03.969
something. So it's a total

2901
01:42:03.970 --> 01:42:04.539
discipline.

2902
01:42:04.540 --> 01:42:05.619
Yeah, yeah.

2903
01:42:05.620 --> 01:42:07.989
I guess we were with the archive.

2904
01:42:07.990 --> 01:42:09.969
I sit and just listen.

2905
01:42:09.970 --> 01:42:12.009
I was the were in Octavia Butler's

2906
01:42:12.010 --> 01:42:13.839
archive. I have to admit, I've heard

2907
01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:15.129
that's phenomenal.

2908
01:42:15.130 --> 01:42:16.149
Yeah.

2909
01:42:16.150 --> 01:42:17.379
Was Scott

2910
01:42:17.380 --> 01:42:18.549
Huntington Gardens.

2911
01:42:20.770 --> 01:42:22.989
I had to say that I really

2912
01:42:22.990 --> 01:42:25.089
love the organizing

2913
01:42:25.090 --> 01:42:26.889
principle of this panel.

2914
01:42:26.890 --> 01:42:28.869
I really enjoyed seeing

2915
01:42:28.870 --> 01:42:30.729
all of the clips, all of the

2916
01:42:30.730 --> 01:42:32.529
work and to.

2917
01:42:32.530 --> 01:42:35.259
I love that the panel asks

2918
01:42:35.260 --> 01:42:37.449
gives us the opportunity to consider

2919
01:42:37.450 --> 01:42:39.609
your you're the body

2920
01:42:39.610 --> 01:42:40.610
of work.

2921
01:42:41.220 --> 01:42:43.049
You know, not just the one

2922
01:42:43.050 --> 01:42:44.969
film, but but your perspective

2923
01:42:44.970 --> 01:42:46.919
and the body of work, and it

2924
01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:48.869
makes me want to think in your

2925
01:42:48.870 --> 01:42:50.969
careers are so consistent

2926
01:42:50.970 --> 01:42:53.849
and so different and so beautiful.

2927
01:42:53.850 --> 01:42:56.069
I'd love to to hear

2928
01:42:56.070 --> 01:42:57.359
from each of you.

2929
01:42:58.530 --> 01:43:00.539
What is that?

2930
01:43:00.540 --> 01:43:02.429
How would you describe or you

2931
01:43:02.430 --> 01:43:04.709
could speak to the spark that you

2932
01:43:04.710 --> 01:43:06.179
have that compels you to make

2933
01:43:06.180 --> 01:43:07.180
something?

2934
01:43:07.770 --> 01:43:09.539
And has it changed over the course

2935
01:43:09.540 --> 01:43:10.949
of time of your career from the

2936
01:43:10.950 --> 01:43:12.300
beginning to now?

2937
01:43:16.730 --> 01:43:17.809
I'm asking me to answer this

2938
01:43:17.810 --> 01:43:18.810
question for me.

2939
01:43:20.330 --> 01:43:21.679
Well, when you said consistent, I

2940
01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:24.049
was like, That's probably not true

2941
01:43:24.050 --> 01:43:25.050
for anybody.

2942
01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:28.849
I don't. I was joking.

2943
01:43:28.850 --> 01:43:29.809
OK, I'll play for me.

2944
01:43:29.810 --> 01:43:30.810
Let me try. Okay?

2945
01:43:33.350 --> 01:43:34.609
I think that's such a beautiful

2946
01:43:34.610 --> 01:43:35.610
question.

2947
01:43:36.410 --> 01:43:38.809
My journey has been so strange

2948
01:43:38.810 --> 01:43:41.269
from like theater to

2949
01:43:41.270 --> 01:43:43.489
photojournalism

2950
01:43:43.490 --> 01:43:46.129
to documentary to more experimental.

2951
01:43:46.130 --> 01:43:47.989
And I see it all as necessary,

2952
01:43:47.990 --> 01:43:49.489
and so they're all in conversation

2953
01:43:49.490 --> 01:43:50.299
with each other.

2954
01:43:50.300 --> 01:43:51.469
And so I think that's where the

2955
01:43:51.470 --> 01:43:53.329
consistency is that I see

2956
01:43:53.330 --> 01:43:54.410
these building blocks.

2957
01:43:55.490 --> 01:43:57.109
And I understand that this is all

2958
01:43:57.110 --> 01:43:59.449
part of my growth and expansion

2959
01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:02.929
that I had to go

2960
01:44:02.930 --> 01:44:04.939
through to discover who

2961
01:44:04.940 --> 01:44:06.799
I was. And I'm still expanding and

2962
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:08.420
I want to continue expanding.

2963
01:44:10.490 --> 01:44:11.869
It's interesting. I just said to my

2964
01:44:11.870 --> 01:44:13.789
partner yesterday

2965
01:44:13.790 --> 01:44:15.529
I was telling her about when I was

2966
01:44:15.530 --> 01:44:17.479
in photojournalism and I did

2967
01:44:17.480 --> 01:44:18.979
not fit in and photojournalism

2968
01:44:18.980 --> 01:44:20.419
because they told me my work was too

2969
01:44:20.420 --> 01:44:22.339
much of an artist and

2970
01:44:22.340 --> 01:44:23.479
I didn't understand why these two

2971
01:44:23.480 --> 01:44:24.499
worlds couldn't exist.

2972
01:44:26.090 --> 01:44:27.919
But I used to say, like, my

2973
01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:29.599
own life is not conventional.

2974
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:30.559
So why would my work be

2975
01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:31.819
conventional?

2976
01:44:31.820 --> 01:44:33.259
Just because my life, you know,

2977
01:44:33.260 --> 01:44:35.779
there have been so many different

2978
01:44:35.780 --> 01:44:36.889
things that have created the

2979
01:44:36.890 --> 01:44:38.809
tapestry of of who I

2980
01:44:38.810 --> 01:44:40.639
am and needing that

2981
01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:42.229
to exist, needing there to not be

2982
01:44:42.230 --> 01:44:44.119
any rules in my work of

2983
01:44:44.120 --> 01:44:45.709
allowing myself to go in whichever

2984
01:44:45.710 --> 01:44:48.259
direction I need to in the moment.

2985
01:44:48.260 --> 01:44:49.819
But understanding that ultimately

2986
01:44:49.820 --> 01:44:51.649
there is one greater purpose.

2987
01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:03.249
With Rashid, it began with the word

2988
01:45:03.250 --> 01:45:04.250
No.

2989
01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:08.439
Yeah, it's weird

2990
01:45:08.440 --> 01:45:09.939
because I feel like I've done a lot

2991
01:45:09.940 --> 01:45:11.439
of different like, I feel like every

2992
01:45:11.440 --> 01:45:12.609
two years, I'm like, Oh, I'm going

2993
01:45:12.610 --> 01:45:13.869
to do this now. I'm going to like, I

2994
01:45:13.870 --> 01:45:15.429
think before the pandemic, I was

2995
01:45:15.430 --> 01:45:16.989
like on a track to shooting a lot of

2996
01:45:16.990 --> 01:45:18.579
documentaries for folks.

2997
01:45:18.580 --> 01:45:20.469
And you know, the pandemic came

2998
01:45:20.470 --> 01:45:21.489
work dried up, and I was like, All

2999
01:45:21.490 --> 01:45:22.479
right, well, let's let's see what I

3000
01:45:22.480 --> 01:45:23.480
can figure out there.

3001
01:45:24.700 --> 01:45:26.019
And I definitely have had a habit of

3002
01:45:26.020 --> 01:45:27.009
jumping through a lot of different

3003
01:45:27.010 --> 01:45:28.659
art forms. But yeah, similar Sofia

3004
01:45:28.660 --> 01:45:29.919
feels like I'm looking for that,

3005
01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:31.209
that question that I'm trying to get

3006
01:45:31.210 --> 01:45:33.129
at or trying to get at this like,

3007
01:45:34.150 --> 01:45:36.459
you know, I'm a I'm a cis

3008
01:45:36.460 --> 01:45:38.559
black man in America

3009
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:40.449
with my own, you know,

3010
01:45:40.450 --> 01:45:41.859
whatever, whatever influence and

3011
01:45:41.860 --> 01:45:42.879
date, and I'm trying to get

3012
01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:44.079
emotionally free.

3013
01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:45.429
I'm trying to learn how to be vulnerable.

3014
01:45:45.430 --> 01:45:46.299
I'm trying to learn how to cry in

3015
01:45:46.300 --> 01:45:47.979
front of people and.

3016
01:45:51.240 --> 01:45:53.069
Yes. I guess if I was

3017
01:45:53.070 --> 01:45:53.939
going to think of something, so much

3018
01:45:53.940 --> 01:45:55.439
of it goes back to this for me, it

3019
01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:57.269
goes back to like

3020
01:45:57.270 --> 01:45:58.979
ultimately trying to see myself in

3021
01:45:58.980 --> 01:46:00.719
this new way and ultimately trying

3022
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:01.800
to like construct

3023
01:46:03.090 --> 01:46:05.009
my idea of the world

3024
01:46:05.010 --> 01:46:06.299
and worlds based on the things that

3025
01:46:06.300 --> 01:46:07.289
I've seen.

3026
01:46:07.290 --> 01:46:08.489
And it feels like every couple of

3027
01:46:08.490 --> 01:46:10.589
years I find a new

3028
01:46:10.590 --> 01:46:12.449
art form or a new way to sort of

3029
01:46:12.450 --> 01:46:14.339
like a new flavor to toss into

3030
01:46:14.340 --> 01:46:16.559
the pot, to get to that

3031
01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.379
thing or to ask that question.

3032
01:46:19.380 --> 01:46:20.609
I'm not quite sure what the question

3033
01:46:20.610 --> 01:46:21.719
is, but I feel like maybe the

3034
01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:23.759
persistence or

3035
01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:25.889
wait can probably look like.

3036
01:46:25.890 --> 01:46:28.139
Consistency is

3037
01:46:28.140 --> 01:46:29.729
really just kind of, yeah, just

3038
01:46:29.730 --> 01:46:30.899
experimenting with a lot of

3039
01:46:30.900 --> 01:46:31.829
different hats, but really trying to

3040
01:46:31.830 --> 01:46:33.659
ask the same thing and

3041
01:46:33.660 --> 01:46:34.589
different like trying to approach

3042
01:46:34.590 --> 01:46:35.819
the same question from a lot of

3043
01:46:35.820 --> 01:46:36.840
different angles.

3044
01:46:38.220 --> 01:46:39.220
Yeah.

3045
01:46:44.480 --> 01:46:46.399
I think I'm too old to remember why

3046
01:46:46.400 --> 01:46:48.409
we we started making work,

3047
01:46:48.410 --> 01:46:50.699
but but I

3048
01:46:50.700 --> 01:46:51.709
but it's not true.

3049
01:46:51.710 --> 01:46:53.769
There is like a moment when I am.

3050
01:46:53.770 --> 01:46:55.699
I had to take this elective of film

3051
01:46:55.700 --> 01:46:57.079
esthetics, and that's when I

3052
01:46:57.080 --> 01:46:59.179
realized that the way that films

3053
01:46:59.180 --> 01:47:00.559
are made is a language that has a

3054
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.479
syntax and a grammar, and that

3055
01:47:02.480 --> 01:47:04.099
that language was doing something to

3056
01:47:04.100 --> 01:47:05.569
me and I didn't like it.

3057
01:47:05.570 --> 01:47:06.829
And I thought, though, that it's a

3058
01:47:06.830 --> 01:47:08.689
language, so there could be

3059
01:47:08.690 --> 01:47:10.289
a lot of different ways to use it.

3060
01:47:10.290 --> 01:47:12.229
And and and now when I'm thinking

3061
01:47:12.230 --> 01:47:14.179
about it, I'm like, I think it's

3062
01:47:14.180 --> 01:47:15.259
has something to do with like the

3063
01:47:15.260 --> 01:47:17.089
way that the way that black

3064
01:47:17.090 --> 01:47:19.909
speech has completely infected

3065
01:47:19.910 --> 01:47:22.039
American language.

3066
01:47:22.040 --> 01:47:23.869
I wanted to do that in cinema

3067
01:47:23.870 --> 01:47:26.059
where I wanted it just to even

3068
01:47:26.060 --> 01:47:27.829
the way that one image goes next to

3069
01:47:27.830 --> 01:47:29.869
another, I wanted it to to

3070
01:47:29.870 --> 01:47:32.119
to to speak to me.

3071
01:47:32.120 --> 01:47:34.189
And and I wanted it to stop

3072
01:47:34.190 --> 01:47:36.019
diminishing me and everything and

3073
01:47:36.020 --> 01:47:37.130
everyone that I love.

3074
01:47:38.270 --> 01:47:40.069
And when I realized that that wasn't

3075
01:47:40.070 --> 01:47:42.019
going to happen because

3076
01:47:42.020 --> 01:47:43.219
it still hasn't happened,

3077
01:47:44.240 --> 01:47:45.559
even though there's like a mad

3078
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.289
proliferation of black imagery,

3079
01:47:48.290 --> 01:47:50.359
so much of it to me still kind

3080
01:47:50.360 --> 01:47:52.369
of falls into the terrain

3081
01:47:52.370 --> 01:47:54.169
of minstrelsy and is not a

3082
01:47:54.170 --> 01:47:56.119
laboratory at all.

3083
01:47:56.120 --> 01:47:57.949
And that's because of the system

3084
01:47:57.950 --> 01:47:59.179
through which these images get

3085
01:47:59.180 --> 01:48:01.069
pushed that we don't control

3086
01:48:01.070 --> 01:48:02.070
at all.

3087
01:48:02.810 --> 01:48:04.819
And and I see and

3088
01:48:04.820 --> 01:48:06.709
I have no desire to control any

3089
01:48:06.710 --> 01:48:08.089
of that.

3090
01:48:08.090 --> 01:48:10.039
So another space would be like

3091
01:48:10.040 --> 01:48:11.599
an art space. I remember meeting

3092
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.089
Ulysses Jenkins on this patio

3093
01:48:14.090 --> 01:48:16.399
somewhere in South L.A.,

3094
01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:18.829
and he had a studio

3095
01:48:18.830 --> 01:48:20.179
and I was like, Whoa.

3096
01:48:20.180 --> 01:48:21.679
And then like Mark Bradford

3097
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:23.569
sauntered over and

3098
01:48:23.570 --> 01:48:24.799
told me, I need to put some

3099
01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:26.269
conditioner in my hair and then

3100
01:48:26.270 --> 01:48:27.679
sauntered away.

3101
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:30.139
And I was like, What is happening

3102
01:48:30.140 --> 01:48:30.949
here?

3103
01:48:30.950 --> 01:48:32.629
And I thought, there's a whole other

3104
01:48:32.630 --> 01:48:33.769
space.

3105
01:48:33.770 --> 01:48:35.239
There's like a whole other space

3106
01:48:35.240 --> 01:48:37.309
where you can, can, can

3107
01:48:37.310 --> 01:48:39.409
work and and

3108
01:48:39.410 --> 01:48:41.659
also like, speak to exactly

3109
01:48:41.660 --> 01:48:43.249
who I want to speak to, how I want

3110
01:48:43.250 --> 01:48:44.899
to speak to them.

3111
01:48:44.900 --> 01:48:46.759
So I just moved into another

3112
01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:48.109
terrain.

3113
01:48:48.110 --> 01:48:49.639
And then for me, I think there was a

3114
01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:50.809
moment. I think when I got out of

3115
01:48:50.810 --> 01:48:52.489
grad school, I felt like it was my

3116
01:48:52.490 --> 01:48:54.589
responsibility as an Earthling

3117
01:48:54.590 --> 01:48:56.449
to make art, you know, so to speak.

3118
01:48:56.450 --> 01:48:58.459
You know, responsibility to

3119
01:48:58.460 --> 01:49:00.979
my family, my kids,

3120
01:49:00.980 --> 01:49:03.889
my friends, my

3121
01:49:03.890 --> 01:49:06.019
former students, current students

3122
01:49:06.020 --> 01:49:07.039
and future students.

3123
01:49:07.040 --> 01:49:08.569
You know, like, you know, the fact

3124
01:49:08.570 --> 01:49:10.489
that, you know, like, this is

3125
01:49:10.490 --> 01:49:12.469
my kind of thing, you

3126
01:49:12.470 --> 01:49:13.879
know? And then so like, I'm not a

3127
01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:15.799
lawyer. I can't advocate, I'm

3128
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:17.089
not a doctor. I can heal.

3129
01:49:17.090 --> 01:49:18.829
But the fact that it's like, I'm

3130
01:49:18.830 --> 01:49:20.269
like, you know, it's my

3131
01:49:20.270 --> 01:49:21.709
responsibility. They kind of make

3132
01:49:21.710 --> 01:49:22.549
art, so to speak.

3133
01:49:22.550 --> 01:49:24.439
So. So I wake up with that.

3134
01:49:24.440 --> 01:49:25.909
But I love that responsibility.

3135
01:49:25.910 --> 01:49:26.779
You know, it's a heavy

3136
01:49:26.780 --> 01:49:28.339
responsibility.

3137
01:49:28.340 --> 01:49:30.059
It's expensive responsibility, I

3138
01:49:30.060 --> 01:49:31.060
guess.

3139
01:49:31.730 --> 01:49:33.559
But, but but but there

3140
01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:35.239
is like pleasure and love and joy

3141
01:49:35.240 --> 01:49:36.439
and doing that kind of stuff and

3142
01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:37.969
then also finding those spaces.

3143
01:49:37.970 --> 01:49:39.889
And I remember it just again,

3144
01:49:39.890 --> 01:49:41.959
my time in Cleveland with Frank, Leo

3145
01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:43.579
and Dominique, and they were all

3146
01:49:43.580 --> 01:49:44.869
just sitting around.

3147
01:49:44.870 --> 01:49:46.159
And you know, this like, you know,

3148
01:49:46.160 --> 01:49:48.019
just in that kind of space and then

3149
01:49:48.020 --> 01:49:50.029
like making stuff that we can,

3150
01:49:50.030 --> 01:49:51.229
you know, like a way to communicate

3151
01:49:51.230 --> 01:49:52.879
to us, so to speak.

3152
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:53.959
You know, and all that kind of stuff

3153
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:55.609
going on so

3154
01:49:55.610 --> 01:49:57.469
very quickly, I'll say, I think

3155
01:49:57.470 --> 01:49:59.329
I really discovered a

3156
01:49:59.330 --> 01:50:00.919
huge part of myself as a creative

3157
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:02.809
when I understood I had the agency

3158
01:50:02.810 --> 01:50:04.669
to quit school or take a break

3159
01:50:04.670 --> 01:50:06.529
from school. So I went to

3160
01:50:06.530 --> 01:50:07.879
three different undergrads until I

3161
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:08.839
got my degree.

3162
01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:09.859
I would take time off.

3163
01:50:09.860 --> 01:50:11.869
I would do we are jobs like it's a

3164
01:50:11.870 --> 01:50:13.939
day or just teaching students

3165
01:50:13.940 --> 01:50:14.719
art.

3166
01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:16.309
And then in grad school, I took a

3167
01:50:16.310 --> 01:50:18.109
year off to go back home, to come

3168
01:50:18.110 --> 01:50:19.110
back home to L.A.

3169
01:50:20.270 --> 01:50:22.699
and do some work in.

3170
01:50:22.700 --> 01:50:24.859
It's always then when I remember

3171
01:50:24.860 --> 01:50:25.860
myself

3172
01:50:26.810 --> 01:50:28.109
and know that I have that freedom

3173
01:50:28.110 --> 01:50:30.139
and that agency to shift

3174
01:50:30.140 --> 01:50:31.639
even when it's scary, even if I

3175
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:32.719
don't understand what that will look

3176
01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:34.999
like. But I think the one thing,

3177
01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:38.059
no matter what medium, I'm always

3178
01:50:38.060 --> 01:50:39.919
just trying to find a way for my

3179
01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.199
dreams to exist and for two,

3180
01:50:42.200 --> 01:50:43.709
to reconnect with memory.

3181
01:50:43.710 --> 01:50:45.739
So memory and dreams will always be

3182
01:50:45.740 --> 01:50:46.740
a constant.

3183
01:50:51.150 --> 01:50:52.379
I think that's it.

3184
01:50:52.380 --> 01:50:53.380
I think.

3185
01:50:54.220 --> 01:50:55.220
OK.

3186
01:50:57.370 --> 01:50:58.749
Thank you all for your very

3187
01:50:58.750 --> 01:51:00.789
thoughtful questions.

3188
01:51:00.790 --> 01:51:02.829
Thank you to our thank

3189
01:51:02.830 --> 01:51:03.299
you.

3190
01:51:03.300 --> 01:51:05.829
See you soon.

3191
01:51:05.830 --> 01:51:06.830
Thank you.

3192
01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:10.839
I want to thank Erin, and I think

3193
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:12.729
Meg is also here.

3194
01:51:13.990 --> 01:51:15.579
Thank you both for curating this

3195
01:51:15.580 --> 01:51:17.799
incredible show.

3196
01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:19.809
Thank you to Claudia and Carla

3197
01:51:19.810 --> 01:51:21.339
and all of the team here at the

3198
01:51:21.340 --> 01:51:23.199
hammer for hosting us and

3199
01:51:23.200 --> 01:51:24.579
think, Thank you all.

3200
01:51:24.580 --> 01:51:26.439
Cauleen Smith, Kevin Jerome Everson,

3201
01:51:26.440 --> 01:51:28.579
Sophia Nahli Allison and Rashid

3202
01:51:28.580 --> 01:51:29.580
Zakat.

3203
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:32.119
Yeah, thank you.